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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 01:11:39 am »
EEC was not part of that patent because it's in the other patents.

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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 12:19:47 pm »
Using 38.2 volts on a 1mm gap? Why did Stan talk about Amplitude.
"Higher Amplitude (voltage) has no effect on the resonance action, only faster water splitting?"

When natural water (contaminations) is used at a x temperature it has a dielectric value (can be calculated). So using this water as a dielectric between tubes it has effect on WFC capacitance.

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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 18:23:02 pm »
waters has 8 electrons in oxys  L orbit when it is water..   L orbit has a capacity of 8 electrons.. it dont want anymore electron nor does it want to exchange electrons.. which means it opposes the movement of electrons 78.54 greater then air

i think this contradicts my last perspective and need to look into it more.. this statement above is true from stans point of view since most of it is right from his mouth out of the switzerland video

this is the key to understanding i think is how this information complys to the design and pulsing parameters


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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 21:34:51 pm »
page 60 of water tech breif

as step-charging voltage-wave (65) increases in voltage amplitude from several millivolts to several hundred volts during each pulse train (65a xxx 65n) which, in application, causes water molecule (210) of Figure (3-27) charged atoms (76/77) to elongate (increasing distance between unlike atoms 76/77) to the point where covalent hydrogen electrons (84) of Figure (3-27) breaks away from electrostatic force (qq'). Repetitive duplication of voltage pulse (65a xxx 65n) continues to separate or split apart other water molecules(85a xxx 85n) which, in turns, forms hydrogen (86) and oxygen (87) gas-mixture (88) of Figure (3-24).Dissociation of water molecule (85) by way of voltage stimulation (65) is herein called "The ElectricalPolarization Process", as illustrated in (160) of Figure (3-26).
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it says it increases from millivolts to hundreds of volts during each pulse train.. ...

also keep in mind that stans set up was not confined to a specific dielectric value of water.. it was variable and depends on a variable/ or variables to be met to incline the charging effect where electrons are not circulating like current

page 15 of the water tech breif

Attenuating and adjusting the "pulse-voltage-amplitude" with respect to the "pulse voltage
frequency", now, produces hydrogen gas on demand while restricting amp flow.

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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 00:34:27 am »
ok now we are on the path of enlightenment... read this


In physics, the term dielectric strength has the following meanings:
Of an insulating material, the maximum electric field strength that it can withstand intrinsically without breaking down, i.e., without experiencing failure of its insulating properties.

# the maximum electric stress the dielectric material can withstand without breakdown

The theoretical dielectric strength of a material is an intrinsic property of the bulk material and is dependent on the configuration of the material or the electrodes with which the field is applied. At breakdown, the electric field frees bound electrons. If the applied electric field is sufficiently high, free electrons may become accelerated to velocities that can liberate additional electrons during collisions with neutral atoms or molecules in a process called avalanche breakdown. Breakdown occurs quite abruptly (typically in nanoseconds)., resulting in the formation of an electrically conductive path and a disruptive discharge through the material. For solid materials, a breakdown event severely degrades, or even destroys, its insulating capability

Factors affecting dielectric strength

    * it increases with the increase in thickness of the specimen. (Directly proportional)
    * it decreases with the increase in operating temperature. (Inversely proportional)
    * it decreases with the increase in frequency. (Inversely proportional)
    * it decreases with the increase in humidity. (Inversely proportional)


the dielectric strength of air is 3 mv/m

so if thats tru then natural water is 78.54 more resistive so 3x78.54  = 235.62 millivolts...


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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2010, 00:22:56 am »
the number that is 38 volts is for break down of a capacitance i beleave.. its where  you have a failure in the insulator allowing for current of elctron to pass though the medium like a lightning strike..
two opposite potentials dicharging... which air has 3kv a mm.. thats where i got the 38 based off the 78.54

the dielectric strength i think is for deflection of electrons of a material not a discharge..... so what if stan didnt focus on deflecting them with exsessive force he simpley added little bits of energy keeping up with the max it can handel allowing you to work out of equalibruim sequentialy rather then brute potential from the get go.. when stan say attenuating voltage what does he mean?

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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2010, 01:40:22 am »
Voltage attenuation is nothing more than turning a dial. Wiki says..."In electrical engineering and telecommunications, attenuation affects the propagation of waves and signals in electrical circuits, in optical fibers, as well as in air (radio waves)." A variable voltage can be attenuated.

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Re: the dielectric property of water
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 13:27:48 pm »
waters has 8 electrons in oxys  L orbit when it is water..   L orbit has a capacity of 8 electrons.. it dont want anymore electron nor does it want to exchange electrons.. which means it opposes the movement of electrons 78.54 greater then air

this is what we are tuning into when stans speaks of dielectric properties...

so my question is when amp are present in the circuit are the electrons creating there own holes accross the gap or are the electrons forcing other electrons out of there hole to take there place?

either or approah seems like the invasive manner which seems like it would be the wrong idea..

in stans work it says each pulse train goes from millivolts into hundreds of vole.. there is only 1 spot in stans whole water fuel tech brief were he mentions that..

so what do i think is happening?

i think that stan is hitting water with pulses that do not allow for deflection right of hand for each pulse train.. . when i say deflect i mean liberate a electron from its whole just to replace with another.... instead you try to add energy to it little by little just ringing that thresh hold.. this mean you will not be contribution to a current within the circuit.. each step pulse is elongating little by little in time by adding energy slowly you are giving a chance for all the waters to get on the same oscillation of elongation...  once thats met i think its considered polarized...