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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2010, 23:43:23 pm »
...These are not bad numbers. When the cell get more hours on running and with new water, it hopefully will do a bit better.......Target is 100%...

Very nice Steve!

Now use hot water and a COPPER intercooler (Nickel even better) to go over 100%  ;)


Logic,

Heating up water i do understand. Why that copper cooler?

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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2010, 13:59:35 pm »
Here an update on my current build.
I had made a nice SS bubler annex reservoir for the 2 sections of wfc.
Sadly this concept didnt work. Current started to leak between the 2 sections thru the waterhoses!!!!

So, i build me 2 seperate bublers.
Here are the results from my first testrun with KOH.
This is the water that is cleaning the cell, so to speak.
Hopefully i will get more KOH for a new load of water.

102 plates and 101 cells.
At 185V by 6A its doing a 1.5 ltr HHO per 12 seconds (7.5ltr/minute)  = 95% Faraday = 6.8mmw  (1.83V per cell)
At 191V by 10A its doing a 1.5 ltr HHO per 7 seconds (13 litres/minute) = 95% Faraday = 6.7mmw (1.89V per cell)

These are not bad numbers. When the cell get more hours on running and with new water, it hopefully will do a bit better.......Target is 100%.

My setup seems to be able to do like 15 litres HHO within reasons.


Steve
that's awesome. 95% efficiency surpasses any commercial electrolyzer available at the moment, yesterday i read an article where are new super catalyst was developed which would get 80% efficiency. of course it's also important how long the plates stay intact, the 95% are expensive when the plates have to be changed after a few thousand litres of hydrogen/oxygen produced.

I have re-viewed the Anton cell video again and my opinion is not anymore that the energy contained in the system is large enough to continue working for 40 seconds without external power supply.
There is a second video which shows the actual-self looping process. At the end of the video they switch the cell-supply off and with only a second or so delay, the generator stops. This means that even if the cell isn't self looped and the cell-power supply would be powered by the grid the generator would shutdown almost immediately after the cell-supply is turned off.

40 seconds without external power wouldn't be realistic in that scenario, if it wasn't really a self-looped system.
I'm looking forward to your experiments! Maybe you can try out the advice of one of the forum users, where the ice process is changed in a way that the ambient air is now the HHO gas and the petrol/diesel is a very fine mist of distilled water (very very small amount so that it won't freeze in the vacuum).

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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2010, 14:54:08 pm »
Here an update on my current build.
I had made a nice SS bubler annex reservoir for the 2 sections of wfc.
Sadly this concept didnt work. Current started to leak between the 2 sections thru the waterhoses!!!!

So, i build me 2 seperate bublers.
Here are the results from my first testrun with KOH.
This is the water that is cleaning the cell, so to speak.
Hopefully i will get more KOH for a new load of water.

102 plates and 101 cells.
At 185V by 6A its doing a 1.5 ltr HHO per 12 seconds (7.5ltr/minute)  = 95% Faraday = 6.8mmw  (1.83V per cell)
At 191V by 10A its doing a 1.5 ltr HHO per 7 seconds (13 litres/minute) = 95% Faraday = 6.7mmw (1.89V per cell)

These are not bad numbers. When the cell get more hours on running and with new water, it hopefully will do a bit better.......Target is 100%.

My setup seems to be able to do like 15 litres HHO within reasons.


Steve
that's awesome. 95% efficiency surpasses any commercial electrolyzer available at the moment, yesterday i read an article where are new super catalyst was developed which would get 80% efficiency. of course it's also important how long the plates stay intact, the 95% are expensive when the plates have to be changed after a few thousand litres of hydrogen/oxygen produced.

I have re-viewed the Anton cell video again and my opinion is not anymore that the energy contained in the system is large enough to continue working for 40 seconds without external power supply.
There is a second video which shows the actual-self looping process. At the end of the video they switch the cell-supply off and with only a second or so delay, the generator stops. This means that even if the cell isn't self looped and the cell-power supply would be powered by the grid the generator would shutdown almost immediately after the cell-supply is turned off.

40 seconds without external power wouldn't be realistic in that scenario, if it wasn't really a self-looped system.
I'm looking forward to your experiments! Maybe you can try out the advice of one of the forum users, where the ice process is changed in a way that the ambient air is now the HHO gas and the petrol/diesel is a very fine mist of distilled water (very very small amount so that it won't freeze in the vacuum).

Thanks haithar. I know this setup is pretty efficient... ;)
Its all 304, so costs are no too high.
My setup isnt using much amps either, so the plates will not be eaten up so quick.

For the Anton setup, i know some tricks they havent used, yet.
So, ill guess my setup will have a better change.
However, i dont know what to expect at the end.
Now its for me to make the ignition change on the genset.
Those big "gearwheels" are hard to get here....


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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2010, 15:54:20 pm »
Can you tell us for what do you need the gear wheels? May be there is an alternative

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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2010, 15:45:01 pm »
Logic,

Heating up water i do understand. Why that copper cooler?

Steve

Nickel, Copper  and a couple of other metals (which I cant remember) actually split water into H2 and O, but at a very slow rate.
(the hotter the water the better)

Nickel does this best, but I doubt if you will find a Nickel (or internally nickel plated) heatercore radiator at your local scrap dealer!  :)

At the very least using easily available copper tubing for the blumbing will slow the recombination rate of H & O and give you a tiny increase in  production rate.

(Your negative ion generator would probably do a better job though by giving the O2 the electrons it craves before it swipes/shares them with the H; forming water)

If you wanted to take this to the N'th degree you could nickel plate the intake tract and combustion chamber (top of piston etc.) where the much higher temps would speed up the reaction rate.

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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2010, 16:31:46 pm »
Can you tell us for what do you need the gear wheels? May be there is an alternative

There are in one cycle of the engine 2 moments where the ignition sparks on such a generator.
To prevend the second spark, which is a dangerous one, i must modify the ignition system.
So, i need a gear on the engine that makes a 2:1 ratio.
The second wheel/gear must have the same size as the ignition flywheel, so to speak.
Otherwise it is very difficult to set the timing right.

Hope this make sense to you..

Steve

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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2010, 16:51:57 pm »
so there is an ignition flywheel which needs to be slowed down by half, right?
You want to do this via a 2:1 ratio gear-wheel system.
Is the ignition flywheel itself a gear wheel? Then you could use only one additional gear wheel, with half the size. Or you mount another gear wheel onto the flywheel and use that in combination with another to get your 2:1 ratio. then the size wouldn't matter as long as the wheels are stable enolugh and you have the right ratio.

would anything like that work?

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Re: 102 plates drycell
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2010, 19:37:58 pm »
The cam shaft turns at 1/2 engine speed...