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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 19:33:25 pm »
Steve,

How did your last build go with regard to getting to self sustaining?

The German video appeared to be straight up electrolysis so it would not be likely that they could get to a self sustaining state. If best case real world is 50KW/H2 Kg, and Faraday was 33KW/H2 Kg, and 1 Kg of H2 has 12-19 KW of power value in it, they would appear to be a good ways away from anything close to self sustaining?

No, i was not able to run a selfsustaining system with hho and drycells and ionizers.
That is simply not possible. An engine is like 30% efficient. My drycells are around 120% faraday efficient. Much more then the anton cells, btw.

The germans have been tricking us all.
And i think i know how.
To be honest, their result is not bad. However, theY didnt tell you what was in the bublers.....

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 19:35:08 pm »
The video format is .flv
It should work if you append the file extension onto the name.

They don't claim to produce hydrogen with an efficiency of >1, although the ANTON cell is more efficient than available Dry cells. See measurement videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrEntelecheia/videos According to the forum entries they were just as surprised as anyone else that the motor ran in a closed loop. Btw i have all the parts they used in that video (except the generator) and if i finally have some time i'll try to check how much of "HHO" gas i need to run something like this.

btw Steve can you answer my PM? I have lost the account information of my main account.

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If best case real world is 50KW/H2 Kg, and Faraday was 33KW/H2 Kg, and 1 Kg of H2 has 12-19 KW of power value in it, they would appear to be a good ways away from anything close to self sustaining?
The units of this literally don't make sense.

Dear Haithar,

I have answerd yr pm today.

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2012, 20:29:53 pm »
The video format is .flv
It should work if you append the file extension onto the name.

They don't claim to produce hydrogen with an efficiency of >1, although the ANTON cell is more efficient than available Dry cells. See measurement videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrEntelecheia/videos According to the forum entries they were just as surprised as anyone else that the motor ran in a closed loop. Btw i have all the parts they used in that video (except the generator) and if i finally have some time i'll try to check how much of "HHO" gas i need to run something like this.

btw Steve can you answer my PM? I have lost the account information of my main account.

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If best case real world is 50KW/H2 Kg, and Faraday was 33KW/H2 Kg, and 1 Kg of H2 has 12-19 KW of power value in it, they would appear to be a good ways away from anything close to self sustaining?
The units of this literally don't make sense.

Dear Haithar,

I have answerd yr pm today.

Steve

thanks, i got my account back.

Steve,

How did your last build go with regard to getting to self sustaining?

The German video appeared to be straight up electrolysis so it would not be likely that they could get to a self sustaining state. If best case real world is 50KW/H2 Kg, and Faraday was 33KW/H2 Kg, and 1 Kg of H2 has 12-19 KW of power value in it, they would appear to be a good ways away from anything close to self sustaining?

No, i was not able to run a selfsustaining system with hho and drycells and ionizers.
That is simply not possible. An engine is like 30% efficient. My drycells are around 120% faraday efficient. Much more then the anton cells, btw.

The germans have been tricking us all.
And i think i know how.
To be honest, their result is not bad. However, theY didnt tell you what was in the bublers.....

Steve
I'm really not sure since they have been running a rather large block heat and power plant with a few combined dry cells:
Not saying that is special energy-wise, but it shows that you don't need unbelievably huge amounts of gas to run motors.

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2012, 21:43:05 pm »
I am sure it was an experience that generated "real world" data and knowledge, which helps greatly in assessing other claims like the Germans. Thank you for the update.

My earlier comment was that if we could produce 1 Kg of H2 at an energy cost of under 10 kWh, that Kilogram of hydrogen will deliver enough btus of energy to make hydrogen a reality as a source of fuel.

I think we all agree that 10 kWh/Kg H2 would change all of our worlds.

By the way, the HEC engines are pushing 43-46% efficiency running on pure H2.

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 21:53:58 pm »
I am sure it was an experience that generated "real world" data and knowledge, which helps greatly in assessing other claims like the Germans. Thank you for the update.

My earlier comment was that if we could produce 1 Kg of H2 at an energy cost of under 10 kWh, that Kilogram of hydrogen will deliver enough btus of energy to make hydrogen a reality as a source of fuel.

I think we all agree that 10 kWh/Kg H2 would change all of our worlds.

By the way, the HEC engines are pushing 43-46% efficiency running on pure H2.

Prowlingbear,

Why you ask this to specifically?
I never seen anybody talking in kg H2 as a way of measuring...
Whats your background?

Engines doing a 43% efficiency is a good result!
Whats that for a kind of engine? Are you involved in that project?

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 21:59:53 pm »
Prowling,

We are here using hho as fuel. Untill somebody is seperating the oxygen from the hydrogen, it is not possible to compress the hho into a liquid. It simply explodes under pressure.
However, H2 can be compressed savely. Then kg / H2 is applicable.

Never try to compress HHO from a drycell or Meyer type of cell!!!

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2012, 22:38:23 pm »
Steve,

Thank you for the heads up on compressing HHO, we are focused on getting out the H2 and using it immediately as fuel, hence our interest in separating out the oxygen so that we can burn just H2.

The reason for the quantification of H2 in Kg, is because it converts easily over to GGE measurements against diesel and gasoline and natural gas and makes comparisons effective. In addition, it is easy to compare the relative btu values of each fuel in understanding what makes sense as alternatives to what we use now.

I am in Green-tech but come out of a product integration background on a macro level rather than on the CTO level. We have made much progress in the HHO generation area and I am now looking ahead to see how we can separate the O from the Hs:)

We are also very interested in transportation and you guys across the pond are definitely ahead of the game on the macro level.

If you are using the HHO as fuel, is it pure HHO without any other hydrocarbons?
Or are you supplementing existing systems with HHO injection?

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Re: Germans claim a selfsustaining generator with drycell
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 23:24:19 pm »
Steve,

Yes I am working with the Hydrogen engine company on ground based power applications and the hydrogen fuel requirements are much higher than 15 SLM.

We are looking at 600 to 1000 liter production requirements on site and on demand.