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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2010, 01:01:00 am »
Hmmm,

Nice topic on those anton cells.

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2010, 14:22:58 pm »
Doing conditioning for several hours a day now. At first the bubbles were like a stream of liquid fog, very very small. It shifts now, the bubbles become very large compared to the beginning, the small bubbles are still there but more and more large bubbles, like describes in the attached presentation ("charged water cluster"). It reminds me of the Joe cell stuff where the brown muck was created too and the bubbles started to change over time.
The current consumption went down from 1A to 0.9A in the last 3 hours without change on the power supply.

Brown stuff generated at the same rate, proportional to applied current.

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2010, 16:33:15 pm »
what voltage do you have between the tubes?

are you using plain tap water? or some additives?

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2010, 17:08:52 pm »
Voltage depends, first it was 20V/1A overall, dropped to 19.5V/0.9A with time.
I have the old and long tube pictured in this thread in series with 4 new tubes in a separate container, both old tube and new tubes getting about half the voltage (~10V). Doesn't really matter it seems, the gas production is dependant on current, not voltage. the change in production is pretty interesting though.

The water is tap water mixed with distilled water (what was left in my container), no electrolytes.

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2010, 18:15:38 pm »
Haithar, have you thought of using some sort of resistance right after the cathode? Are you trying to reproduce the results of Ravi?

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« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2010, 18:28:39 pm »
Indeed, as that's the only thing left worth trying to replicate.
But i remember it was advised to not use any resistance on the negative side?! The current is low enough anyway.

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2010, 18:47:55 pm »
Who advised not to use a resistance behind the cathode? That seems weird, for what the result of the coating is adding resistance to the cathode. It just appears to me that passivization or whatever it's called, is the hard way of going about it. Do you by any chance have another tube set to compare to in different trial setups? It would be enlightening to see the same effects with much less work, wouldn't it? I think you are doing a great job of experimenting instead of armchair antics which we see all to often. Hats off to you sir!

P.S. I didn't mean to add resistance to the passivated cathode, I was implying to skip the passivation process by just using a resistance in a similar fashion to get the same results. Using current to resist current... Quite a strange concept to me.

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« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2010, 19:07:07 pm »
Who advised not to use a resistance behind the cathode? That seems weird, for what the result of the coating is adding resistance to the cathode. It just appears to me that passivization or whatever it's called, is the hard way of going about it. Do you by any chance have another tube set to compare to in different trial setups? It would be enlightening to see the same effects with much less work, wouldn't it? I think you are doing a great job of experimenting instead of armchair antics which we see all to often. Hats off to you sir!

P.S. I didn't mean to add resistance to the passivated cathode, I was implying to skip the passivation process by just using a resistance in a similar fashion to get the same results. Using current to resist current... Quite a strange concept to me.
Ah now i see what you are talking about, i thought you were talking about a resistor added in series on the negative side.
Indeed the coating creates a resistance on the cathode as it's non conducting and limiting the current to a certain degree over time. I have by far not the coating intensity seen in Aaron's or Ravi's videos.
It seems that you cannot simply add saran wrap to inhibit current and create gas (whatever type it is and properties it may have) instantly, did that already and even at voltages above 600V nothing happened really. Same thing with > 10kV, see the water fracture apparatus thread for that.

I'm not even sure about the bifilar in series as it was added to the later Lawton circuit, probably because Meyer did it that way, but there is no blocking diode and the coating-setup is somewhat different from Meyers. Also in the Free-Energy PDF it states that Dave Lawton tried the circuit without inductor and alternator and it worked as good as before.
I do have two different tubes, the first being conditioned for two weeks already and the others were put into use some days ago. Unfortunately i have no way of putting it into a sealed container and measure the difference in gas production, it seems visually that the conditioned tube produces more at the same current, but i really can't say if it is true.
I also cannot say how the efficiency really is and if the charged water cluster observation in the pdf is true then it's not electrolysis anyway and efficiency calculation not possible with faraday's law.

It would be interesting to find out what the white coating and what the brown muck is.
Further experimenting will be delayed as i now have 10 hour-days at university for the week and a full weekend  ;)