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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2010, 14:18:11 pm »

 Warp, You talking about that Rediline Rotary Inverter ??

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2010, 14:30:44 pm »
Thanks Warp. As i said i'm not interested in running a car on .. whatever gases it were in Stan's car .. but only in the magical electrolysis process, which seems to be nonexistant.
I'm good at electronics and software and horrible on everything mechanical or chemistry, someone else has to figure that part out if the electrolysis is not overunity.

NoneExistant could very well mean misunderstood. For example 1 watt is equal to 3.412 Btu. Lets say you measure 18 amps at the heat pumps input at 220 volts which is 3,960 watts of electrical energy usage. This is an input of 3968 * 3.412 (13,538 Btu's.) Thats 1 ton. And say for example you get from the system 2 tons of heat, 24000 Btu's.

U see the input power was doubled at its output, But is it an overunity device, No. Its marked off as a Heat transferring device which takes the heat from outside air and brings it indoors. These types of devices has their problems due to the "weather."

The Cold electrolysis proccess is like the heat pump. Please study heat pumps to help grasp the ideal that nothing is overunity. We would take Voltage potential, Then use no current flow to pull water apart, and when I say no current thats just what I mean, Current plays no role in pulling apart the molecule, Current in such a setup is Truly void. Somewhere along those lines it will be paid for, Just as the heat,,, Heating the home was extracted from the outside (heat transferee) air.  The voltage electrolysis process will be extracting something from some where once you get it to work.

Just as the Heat pump pulled heat from the outside air haith, The Vic could very well Pull electrons Via Antenna and earth ground, (energy extracted from the ambient surroundings.) A energy transferring unit so to speak, (Just and example.)

If it is a cold process perhaps the electrons are not being used, Perhaps its a brand new form of voltage in a circuit that keeps increasing on the molecule, Perhaps this voltage applied across the water molecule could come from somewhere OTHER than the vic. Perhaps the VIC is just a tool used to extract the voltage from our surroundings, Much like the heat pump is a tool to extract heat from our surroundings.

When this device gets cracked, (And trust me it will) even if its after we're dead and gone, The device will be well explained and the meyer VIC method will not be labeled for an overunity device, It will truly be used to run the world just as the heat pump is running it now.

Just as the microwave Oven alternates across the molecule causing it to heat up, Using some form of a (Push Pull) motion method on the water molecule causing it to heat up, Perhaps the Invisible electron flow from the magnetron causes a Friction upon the molecule causing it to heat? Could it be that if you remove this push pull and just make it push on one side and pull on the other the molecule could SPLIT rather than heat. Microwaves ovens In right in there with heat pumps, We use the both almost every day, And one day,,,, We will use the vic as well, perhaps we will even use it to cook with,, Lowering the flame temperature of hydroxy down to a temp of propane can mean lowered fuel cost, It could cut the needed hydroxy flow in half.

Whats not clearly understood, When a car engine is ran on hydroxy, The timing does not have to be advanced. If you mix (Hydroxy) with (Petrol Fumes) this creates a synthetic fuel where the (Petrol) does not become consumed rapidly. It takes very very very Little (Petrol vapor) and very little Hydroxy Gas to run a ((((V8)))) engine. People do not want to accept the use of petrol and gas mix so they stir clear of the mix. I've ran my Geo from a Petrol Hydroxy Gas mix. When the hydroxy wasn't no where near enough to idle my bug, A touch of gas vapor gets the job done.

As far as the Construction side of the WFC, constructing such a cell isn't really needed. What is lacked is the brains. You could use 2 quarters if you wanted to,,, It is not the fuel cell or type of metal in the cell that makes the process unique, its the proper circuitry and understandings that will make it work. It is possible you don't need anything in the water, It is possible to just aim a gun at the water and shake it apart. The SS electrodes do not carry current into the water, Just allow Fields to be produced in the water.

If you compared a Magnetron to stans VIC, how similar would they be? Where the resonate cavity is inside the magnetron, and in stans version it is a wfc. If you compare those 2, perhaps pure water is too much for the cavity, Perhaps you would instead need a water vapor and inside a lightening storm is brewing. And maybe for every Bolt electrons are released and gas is born, just as someone dropped a big sledge hammer. Just an example of what could be.

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2010, 10:53:59 am »
conditioning process was going on fine (i imagined the gas output was getting more  ;)) and the new stable pwm worked as it should when today a cable had a resistance of 1kOhm. that's one of the cables mounted to the tube so i have to disassemble it, assemble it again, glue it with silicone to make it waterproof and then let it dry for two days.
damn it..

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2010, 11:56:28 am »
did someone else notice that even if the tube cell is switched off the power supply and shorted (no charge on plates) there is still gas production going on (though very little) and there are around 0.75V on the plates. strange thing. let it stand for half an hour and it was still producing.

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2010, 15:42:42 pm »
did someone else notice that even if the tube cell is switched off the power supply and shorted (no charge on plates) there is still gas production going on (though very little) and there are around 0.75V on the plates. strange thing. let it stand for half an hour and it was still producing.

Thats the result of charging your waterfuelcell, Haithar  :D
Nice to read your insides...
Looks very similair to my journey, some years ago..

Steve





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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2010, 17:23:40 pm »
did someone else notice that even if the tube cell is switched off the power supply and shorted (no charge on plates) there is still gas production going on (though very little) and there are around 0.75V on the plates. strange thing. let it stand for half an hour and it was still producing.

Thats the result of charging your waterfuelcell, Haithar  :D
Nice to read your insides...
Looks very similair to my journey, some years ago..

Steve
Yes, and you did run a generator on HHO? ;) It didn't self sustain did it? I read of the "Anton Cell" today, very similar to your dry cell and they were able to self run it for 40 seconds. may be interesting if they can overcome the gas "buffer" and make it run forever, although i suspect they can't.

By the way, do you know what the brown stuff is? The production of it seems to be constant with time, if you let it electrolyse for 1 hour and clean the water and do the same again, the amount of brown stuff seems to be the same both times, does it really stop building after some time?

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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2010, 22:46:40 pm »
did someone else notice that even if the tube cell is switched off the power supply and shorted (no charge on plates) there is still gas production going on (though very little) and there are around 0.75V on the plates. strange thing. let it stand for half an hour and it was still producing.

Thats the result of charging your waterfuelcell, Haithar  :D
Nice to read your insides...
Looks very similair to my journey, some years ago..

Steve
Yes, and you did run a generator on HHO? ;) It didn't self sustain did it? I read of the "Anton Cell" today, very similar to your dry cell and they were able to self run it for 40 seconds. may be interesting if they can overcome the gas "buffer" and make it run forever, although i suspect they can't.

By the way, do you know what the brown stuff is? The production of it seems to be constant with time, if you let it electrolyse for 1 hour and clean the water and do the same again, the amount of brown stuff seems to be the same both times, does it really stop building after some time?

It did run an generator. When my new drycell is ready, it will again run in comby with the airprocessor.
Hopefully it will selfsustain it self. Signs are good. New cell will be higher then 100% faraday... :-)

The brown stuff is part of the chemical reaction.
It happens more when you use tapwater.
Destilled with KOH or NAOH do almost produce no brown scum.
On my tapwater configuration, i had a waterfilter in line to filter the brown scum out. Nasty stuff.

I never heard about  teh Anton cell. I will google on it.
What is it for a cell?

Steve





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Re: Tube cell reloaded
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2010, 23:01:49 pm »
did someone else notice that even if the tube cell is switched off the power supply and shorted (no charge on plates) there is still gas production going on (though very little) and there are around 0.75V on the plates. strange thing. let it stand for half an hour and it was still producing.

Thats the result of charging your waterfuelcell, Haithar  :D
Nice to read your insides...
Looks very similair to my journey, some years ago..

Steve
Yes, and you did run a generator on HHO? ;) It didn't self sustain did it? I read of the "Anton Cell" today, very similar to your dry cell and they were able to self run it for 40 seconds. may be interesting if they can overcome the gas "buffer" and make it run forever, although i suspect they can't.

By the way, do you know what the brown stuff is? The production of it seems to be constant with time, if you let it electrolyse for 1 hour and clean the water and do the same again, the amount of brown stuff seems to be the same both times, does it really stop building after some time?

It did run an generator. When my new drycell is ready, it will again run in comby with the airprocessor.
Hopefully it will selfsustain it self. Signs are good. New cell will be higher then 100% faraday... :-)

The brown stuff is part of the chemical reaction.
It happens more when you use tapwater.
Destilled with KOH or NAOH do almost produce no brown scum.
On my tapwater configuration, i had a waterfilter in line to filter the brown scum out. Nasty stuff.

I never heard about  teh Anton cell. I will google on it.
What is it for a cell?

Steve
I read several times that the brown scum won't appear anymore after a conditioning phase, but if it's because of the water that wouldn't be true.
Distilled water is not so good in terms of energy.


The Anton cell thread is here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9099