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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 18:21:26 pm »
Hi Jolt,

What do you think of that first statement? Adding electrons to slow down the burnrate of the HHO and Air mix?

Steve

I do agree with that statement and I had 1st hand experience with it.

when I tested ionizing hho, I would notice a change in the color of the burning hho when ionization was turned on.

one problem is we still need very large amounts of hho.

the other problem is to get the correct balance without causing a unwanted explosion while ionizing hho.


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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2010, 18:31:01 pm »
Hi Jolt,

What do you think of that first statement? Adding electrons to slow down the burnrate of the HHO and Air mix?

Steve

I do agree with that statement and I had 1st hand experience with it.

when I tested ionizing hho, I would notice a change in the color of the burning hho when ionization was turned on.

one problem is we still need very large amounts of hho.

the other problem is to get the correct balance without causing a unwanted explosion while ionizing hho.

There is one more issue...

I think that in order for ionization to make an effect, the engine it else would have to be isolated.. as soon as ionized air/hho enters the engine, it would loose or gain electrons and return to its original state.

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 20:09:08 pm »
Its nice to see some discussion on this.
My 2 cents:

The point where you create the ionization or static field should be an enclosed body where all the mixing takes place also, depending on what you are trying to accomplish.
In other words you don't want the field of the static or ionization to travel to another point far away to mix it or not to use the whole field up.

If you ionize air its to create an effect. Lets say you want some exhaust recirculated with this air and maybe some H2.
All of these would go into a mixing manifold with a easy needle valve or control point to create the fuel and use the whole effect of the charged energy.
That would be one type setup. Easier to start and understand this than doing it all in a injector that needs to be developed anyway.
I see a lot more safety in doing this with just the injector.

Depending on the strength of the ionization lets say of air, the static field can saturate the ground frame metal of the vehicle and that static field will shock you every time you exit the vehicle as you are in the surrounding ambient air. It will discharge through you the moment your hand is removed from the door.
I have seen this is why I bring it up.
Because of this in my opinion if you make a large static field in whatever embodiment you should use it all up to create your chosen effect.
If there are many charged electrons find a way to use them so they don't saturate the ground plane, as you will end up anyway trying to find a way to discharge a saturated field you made.

A point of how much is needed and control it so no excess is going unused.

The only way to find this out is to make something and test it, so koodo's to Steve for getting started on the high voltage.
There's most likely a big difference from a table-top setup to a vehicle setup. 

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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 12:52:48 pm »
Jolt, Komtek,


The basic principle of quantum mechanics is that the biggest atom always wins from the smaller one.
The oxygen is in mass the biggest.
The oxygen atom that we have after the electrolysis proces is an atom that is missing 2 electrons in his outer shell.
So, if you add electrons in the gas mix, the oxygen atom will fill his outer shell up with the free electrons and if there are no free electrons, it will bond with the electron from the hydrogen atoms.

Jolt, if the oxygen atom has filled his shell up, it will not change back into anything. There is no need for or proces that is doing that.
What is left in the mix is hydrogen with 1 electron and nitrogen with some electrons missing.
So, what happens next?

Some hydrogen atoms will bond with nitrogen and we will get Ammonia, which is good, because it levels on the same burn velocity as petrol.
We also have hydrogen atom with a certain amount of oxygen atoms that will bond in the burn proces at the same level as petrol too.
We end up with a much higher efficiency use of the hydrogen we produce.

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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2010, 12:58:37 pm »
The question left is:

How do we get electrons in our gas mix?
Do we get electrons from electriciity, like HV?
Or do we rip off electrons by ionization from nitrogen/oxygen  (air)?


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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2010, 14:44:52 pm »
Try the electron extraction circuit

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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2010, 15:21:40 pm »
Why do you want to lower the burning velocity in complicated ways instead of altering the spark plug, so that the position is right for instantaneous burning instead of the delayed gas burning?

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Re: The truth on how to run your engine on a Waterfuelcell
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2010, 15:27:43 pm »
Why do you want to lower the burning velocity in complicated ways instead of altering the spark plug, so that the position is right for instantaneous burning instead of the delayed gas burning?

Because the explosion of hydrogen in stochimetric mix with oxygen is like PFF and no piston got the time to move downwards
Petrol does like this: PFFFFFFFFFFFF. Enought time to start moving downwards and thats what we need.

Thats why you need a slower explosion.....