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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 13:32:28 pm »
what is the frequency your alternator puts out without it being pulsed?

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 18:43:29 pm »
@ haither .... There is 1.5 amps going into the alternator (12v pulsed ) , about 100 volts out .

what is the frequency your alternator puts out without it being pulsed?
I dont know sorry . but it does produce some bubbles without being pulsed . I was hoping to do some tests today but havent had time .
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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 20:48:03 pm »
Hi about the frequency of the alternator signal it puts out.
Ran a test with just a variac and full bridge on the rotor. This is 120hz solid no duty. If half bridge is used would be 60hz 50% duty and will try that soon.
Standard 36 well alternator but windings connected in series and a diode between winding 2-3 to see if this winding method worked that was posted by H2opower at another forum.
Well it worked pretty good and only 1 diode. Its more of an AC signal but has DC in it.
Frequency the scope saw was 345-350 hertz pretty solid.
Motor is 3450 rpm and the pulley ratio is near 1:1.

Wish I could vary motor speed, will try other pulley sizes soon.
Efficiency best with 1 tube set and lowers when other tube sets are connected. Thats one reason to see if motor speed would effect the efficiency rating.
Basing efficiency on current in phase with voltage signal.

Also would like to see what changes when more winding and smaller wire is used.
Its fun but there are so many variables to play with.

Right now trying to concentrate on the foam produced.
Waiting for others to post findings and maybe start talking about the foam and how to fully convert it.
Also why is there so much foam is it the water contaminents (type of water) holding it together?
Not ionized enough?
I'm sure you guys have seen plenty of foam right?

If the foam got converted there would be that much more fuel available for several methods of use.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 22:22:18 pm »
Hi about the frequency of the alternator signal it puts out.
Ran a test with just a variac and full bridge on the rotor. This is 120hz solid no duty. If half bridge is used would be 60hz 50% duty and will try that soon.
Standard 36 well alternator but windings connected in series and a diode between winding 2-3 to see if this winding method worked that was posted by H2opower at another forum.
Well it worked pretty good and only 1 diode. Its more of an AC signal but has DC in it.
Frequency the scope saw was 345-350 hertz pretty solid.
Motor is 3450 rpm and the pulley ratio is near 1:1.

Wish I could vary motor speed, will try other pulley sizes soon.
Efficiency best with 1 tube set and lowers when other tube sets are connected. Thats one reason to see if motor speed would effect the efficiency rating.
Basing efficiency on current in phase with voltage signal.

Also would like to see what changes when more winding and smaller wire is used.
Its fun but there are so many variables to play with.

Right now trying to concentrate on the foam produced.
Waiting for others to post findings and maybe start talking about the foam and how to fully convert it.
Also why is there so much foam is it the water contaminents (type of water) holding it together?
Not ionized enough?
I'm sure you guys have seen plenty of foam right?

If the foam got converted there would be that much more fuel available for several methods of use.

Komtek,

Can you tell us what kind of water and/or chemicals you use?


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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 22:43:32 pm »
No chemicals!
Last test spring water but doesn't matter tap water is the same, plenty of foam.
Will try rain water but I'm expecting the same result.

Looking at all others tests its the same stuff nice white foam bubbles filling the cell water bath.

Most of these tests appear to be straight no chemical water, spring tap or rain.
Look at Kevin West same stuff. For several years of water-cell video's its the same stuff. Meyer video's, Ravi's, Lawtons all of them.
Plenty of white foam.
I'm interested in converting the foam but no added chemicals.
Maybe filtering and processing, maybe another voltage zone.
But no chemicals, or how would an anti foaming agent work?
Has to be a way to keep it simple don't you think?

The foam has the appearance that it is split but the waters surface tension won't let is all release.
Some gas comes out but not all.


 

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 22:57:21 pm »
LOOKS GREAT!!!

FOR MOTOR SPEED CONTROL YOU CAN USE:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=43060

And maybe some GAS-EX for the foam!!!!!  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 23:28:52 pm »
In my tests with different water types and voltage type,
i seen that foam too. Its mostly because of the water pollution and high voltage, like 12v.
If you would use max 2volts, you will see much less foam.

All voltage above 2V create steam and NO hydrogen.
Not sure what you want to achieve with the foam.

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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2010, 23:38:32 pm »
komtek, if you are able to set it up so you have a pump forcing water through the cell, that will definitely break surface tension, and help move the hydrogen out.