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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2010, 20:59:06 pm »
I think i need to invest in one of those in the near future  :)

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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2010, 16:41:21 pm »
Well ive done a few more tests but they have been slightly disapointing . The first was a lpm test which was only about a 1/4 lpm  :( . Then i got some tubes and covered 2 with heat shrink insulation and 2 without ..... The tubes without the heatshrink seemed to produce more ! The last test was puting a big bifilar choke between the alternator and the cell . This raised the voltage from 25 v to 100 v ish but produced less gas ....... sigh ......

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« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2010, 19:24:32 pm »
Johnd I think you did well with insulating the tubes, as this will have less leakage from the tube to the water bath and isolate the signal much more into the tube-set.
You would figure the raised voltage potentials would create a better effect on the water molecules elongation.
Stronger effect more seperations.?
The only thing you did not cover was possibly a change in frequency, change in motor speed!
This may effect the point of resonance. Thinking that point would produce more gas, would be nice. (I don't know).
You have the same LPM I have measured. (funny as it seems like it has a much higher potential volume with all that bubbling going on).

Steve suggested using KOH mix. Distilled and KOH, or Naoh. Potasium or sodium hydroxides.
Its possible that all those tiny bubbles will escape with ease instead of saturating the water-bath.
Again I'm hesitant to do this because of any corrosion that may happen.
I suggest its worth one time test try and measure the LPM difference.
Steve might know a mixture and somewhere I hear 28% whatever that means?

That also leads to the area that all the tiny bubbles locked in the water bath and how to get the bath to release these.
I added a photon device for starters but the bubbles are still in the bath.
Its possible the photons had some other effect. 
Hoping it is strengthening the fuel by possibly having the electron bands further out from the nucleous.
Each atom should have a stronger charge to release when the fual is fired.
Thats my guess on adding photon bombardment into the cell.

The only other method related to Meyer was a static filter he had on a 3-24 3-25 cell.
Thinking that it was not only a static filter but if it effected the static charge on the water molecule in a positive fashion as to aid to the release of these tiny bubbles would be beneficial.
Again I have not tested this and I am not trying to be misleading.
For those bubbles to be sticking in the water bath thay are attracted to the charge the water currently has.
Water is a dipole (neutral), but if it had taken on a positive static charge and the gases had a positive static charge when they leave the tubes those bubbles would not stick in the water.

If anyone has tested a hi-voltage static field on a cell with static filter as described can you post the effect it has on the tiny locked bubbles in the water bath.

That static filter has to have an effect on the water wouldn't you think.
Surely would love to see the bubble activity leave the cell without adding chemicals.

Let me add a couple of other science facts that deal with health but may be of importance:
Check youtube for ionized water.
You find that standard water comes in water clusters that consist of 12-16 component type molecular cluster.
Ionized water changes the cluster arrangement to roughly half 6-8 type molecular cluster and also on top of that leaves much more free hydroxyl's.
The less clustering health wise can penetrate the body cells deeper with ease and can help deal with acidic wastes of the body and promote a healthy condition.
Fact that ionized and alkalinity produces more single hydroxyls, is this a good thing in a cell? (I think so).
Might very well be an answer to the over saturated standard water problem in cells without the use of rash chemicals like koh and naoh.

(This may be all sales hype for ionized water and micro-clusters and not substanciated by scientific fact).
Have to check for yourself then decide.

I'm only guessing and thinking out loud, not suggesting anything.
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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2010, 20:08:17 pm »
was you using red led's with your cell ?
Dynodon mentioned water was pumped through the resonant cavity . I wonder if this helped or if it was just to take the milky water to the plugs ?
Whatever we do though , 1/4 lpm is no where near enough production . I might just bite the bullet and rewire my stator like donald and outlaw .

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« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2010, 21:48:02 pm »
John, looking around at the PDF's and references of photons oxygen and hydrogen there are several points of absorption.

I is noted in many of the documents absorption in a certain frequency kicks the electron further out meaning it gets to another N-band further from the nucleous. Which kind of tells you that nucleous took on a charge and because of that pushed the electron out further.
Now its noted that if the process is done right it can absorb the right wavelength and kick the electron even further. Then again and over again if you have figured the wavelengths properly. (for oxygen there are several wavelengths in the visual spectrum). Hydrogen too but not as much as oxygen.

Thats a lot of science, so when I looked at this process and said to myself what if I have a photon source that instead of being focused into one wavelength was a spread spectrum source. So it had multi-wavelength output.
Over time that led me to flash bulbs, and arc-lamp type sources.
Reading up on a xenon gas arc-lamp it has a huge spectrum spread, pretty low in UV band too, but not at the low hydrogen absorption point but will cover many details or the spectrum spread.
I chose xenon flash to experiment with and one big reason being the dollar amount.
Although I have collected and saved many xenon short arc-lamps I decided a xenon gas flash lamp will have multi-spectrum photon frequencys.
A short-arc lamp can cost $100 and up per piece. A xenon flash maybe $5 and up.
Xenon flash is used in photography because it has a wide spectrum and the picture would come out nice. If you used a single spectrum light source you would end up with a picture with that reflected color band for a back light.

There are several ways to use a WFC and pumping water through the cell can be pretty interesting just like Kevin West does. Did you notice his new 7 pair cell looks real nice.
Still you have tiny bubble water or milky water.
Its not changing anything whether the milky stuff is in a cell or another container or sprayed and misted its still milky and still water attached to bubbles because unlike charges attract.
Thats the problem no-one has dealt with to overcome. They just don't see it the way I am seeing it. People say oh its a good thing and its good to let it reprocess through the cell again. (didn't change anything).
Well I'm telling you that it doesn't work that way for me because thats not the answer I'm looking for.

If I'm working with old cell technology then lets bring up the ante some and find out what it takes to remove the milky bubbles into the gas form they should be.
So it made me wonder why KOH and Naoh allowed the water to release the bubbles that much easier. Now you have metallic substance potassium or sodium and a high alkalinity and easy current flow through the water because of the metallic substances.
This may be the reason why the water easily takes a positive static charge and the gas made takes a positive static charge and 2 like charges repel each other its fundamental, and something to do with alkalinity I think.

So that now leads me to ionization of water which in theory should produce the same effect as using chemicals.
Eventually I will build the few parts to get this tested, I have convinced myself that this theory is at the worst partially correct if not hitting the nail on the head.
Ionization of water also changes the clustering structure of water (questionable). Its a step process and a good one to keep working the molecules down further and splitting them up to smaller pieces until eventually its all split.
Isn't that the idea of this whole ordeal?
Then use the product in with many different energy and fuel processes.

   
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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2010, 02:15:04 am »
Still wanna get rid of those bubbles eh? Maybe you would like to try ultrasonics?


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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2010, 05:01:20 am »
Its worth a try I'll figure something out, have no room on the bottom but there is a serperation plate that I could easily mount the fogger inside.

Looking into water ionizers and appears pretty easy to make a seperator.
A unit that will seperate acidic from alkaline.
Worth trying in a cell and the alkaline is great for human consumption, supposed to taste like rainwater.
The concentrations of hydrogen change between the 2. Also the fact that the water changes to micro-clusters sound good too.
Another step in breaking it all down.

More reading on the subject of micro-clusters shows that its bunk bogus hype non-substanciated or un-noteworthy claims not by reputable science industry.
Most likely a way to get you to spend dollars for their device.  A sales pitch.
Oh well!

Alkaline water seems promising in many ways. The calcium oxide build up on cells, Ravi, Dave Lawton.
This is a alkaline build-up.
Naoh and Koh alkaline solutions produce plenty of fuel but consume much current and the same with other salts.
They are all alkaline and many other minerals are.

Still pondering methods of water polarity charge.

 
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Re: Finaly getting results
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2010, 15:10:30 pm »
Still wanna get rid of those bubbles eh? Maybe you would like to try ultrasonics?


Bubz

Now that is interesting !!! Thanks for the link bubz