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Resonance WFC
« on: January 19, 2010, 18:46:42 pm »
This thread is created for the Resonance WFC setup

First read the attached patent:
WO1992007861A1   CONTROL AND DRIVER CIRCUITS FOR A HYDROGEN GAS FUEL PRODUCING CELL

Thoughts and experimentation, how to make a real Resonance WFC (resonance cavity)

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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 14:57:03 pm »
Here is one of my thoughts from a few weeks ago, since this design I have come up with several changes to improve it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/DelrinWFC.jpg)

I'll be building something like this eventually...

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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 22:52:46 pm »
@donaldwfc
Nice to read you are thinking about a real Meyer cell design too!

I haven't figure it out how to make a good base for this cell where/how the plate connections are put. Water entry below the cell...

I have ordered Delrin for the cavity and inner rod. This cell will be small in size, what Stan was talking about as a typical size. Frequency is altered when bigger sized.

If we want to replicate the resonance cell we must isolate the outer plate, when not, the cell will leak voltage to the surrounding water (dielectric).

I still don't know what Stan means in the patent, about the resonance frequency. He is talking about two. 1. pulse (resonance) 2. gate (resonance)
1. pulse frequency for Lcr resonance.
2. gate frequency is used to separate the water molecules.
I think this is when resonance is occurring between the plates described as voltage waveguide...

Well, I first want to make the correct cell, then match the VIC to the cell. I think this is the right approach, just what Dynodon already said in other threads on this forum.

Still have not seen this type of cell replicated by other researchers, only that they condition the tubes...
When two tubes are used there is always voltage leakage at the outer and inner tube top and bottom. Then this is a shorted capacitor, how do you charge a shorted capacitor???

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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 00:53:23 am »
That picture I posted, those two parts would be made out of delrin with a 3" OD, there is a 1" hole for the outer tube 3" long, with this you can choose any gap you want by the thickness of the outer tube and then you can see the half inch holes for the longer 1/2" inner tube. So it will be a completely incased and insulated cell. I've made mental adjustments to my design to make it simpler, and to set it up for a water pump to force water through the bottom. Also a 3" OD acrylic tube will mount on the top of what is shown, for gas viewing, and then a simple delrin cap on top of that. For the electrical connections I'll just do it like Dynodon mentioned, a bolt that goes in and touches the side of each tube.

Have you seen Dynodon's Cell? It's a nice cell and a good example. When do you plan on having this cell running?

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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 04:45:20 am »
your question on not knowing what resonance he is talking about...
What if he was talking about harmonic resonance??? your already causing the tubes to vibrate... maybe that is what the "grooves" were cut in the pipes for...
On the other note the grooves could simply be there for one of his many "add in's" to confuse anyone trying to replicate his work.

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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 04:53:48 am »
your question on not knowing what resonance he is talking about...
What if he was talking about harmonic resonance??? your already causing the tubes to vibrate... maybe that is what the "grooves" were cut in the pipes for...
On the other note the grooves could simply be there for one of his many "add in's" to confuse anyone trying to replicate his work.

That shape probably opens up the exit point in an advantageous manner for the gas to exit , Who can imagine he crazy waves at that end point , echoing criss crossing etc ... It might change the dampening factor of those tubes , if they are to vibrate physically there wil be a resonance and a dampening  .

This is not something you can answer without being there and compare the two.

As for the comments of Outlaw , the gating and the pulsing frequency could be working in tandem . I have tought of that before myself . Is that what you were trying to communicate outlaw ?

That pulse train might appear as its own frequency . Quite similar to amplitude modulation but easier to accomplish . But that would be very cryptic since Stan always says how he controls gas volume by getting more gate time .


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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 09:04:02 am »
JUST A THOUGHT ON THE NOTCHED TUBES, WITH A REGULAR CAPACITOR THE PLATES NEED TO BE MATCHED OR ARCHING THROUGH THE DIALECTIC OCCURS. STAN MAY HAVE BEEN MATCHING THE VOLTAGES BETWEEN THE TUBES TO  MAINTAIN  HIGH FIELD STRENGTH BEFORE A CONTROLLED  DISCHARGE.......JUST A THOUGHT

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Re: Resonance WFC
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 11:26:29 am »
Have you guy's came to realize how to make the tubes actually vibrate yet?

Here's a Equation that only pertains to air flow, "Not Water."

CFM = Area * Velocity

Take for example a square duct. Say the duct is 4" x 4" and has an area of 16 square inches. 16"
To Use such a formula, Area Inches must be converted to Area Feet. Here is the Equation.

16" / 144 = 0.11111111111111111111111111111111 Cubit feet

Now that we Have the Area in feet, we can now use the equation mentioned like so.


CFM = Area * Velocity
0.11111111111111111111111111111111 * 700 = 77.7 CFM

This Equation Is based on 100 Foot of Duct, Not 8 or 14 foot.

The Point is, If the Velocity Gets to high then things tend to "Vibrate." And it can get violent and cause all sorta problems! They're Called Velocity Limits.

I have also other Equations, For Example... Say you wanted a velocity of X with an 8" tall tube. Well then what should the CFM be threw the tube to cause such velocity to happen?

Things also tend to have Velocity Limits, When constructing certain devices it has to be taken under consideration, Or else violent vibrations may go into affect.

If in your mind, you could take a moment to imagine a short tube with water being forced threw it, Would it then be possible for the tube to vibrate? Imagine a micro tube, and a micro vibration. All though The Equations aren't linked with water flowing threw a tube they can be, and they probably already have been.

The Equations that I know is Equations that I Created, I'm not saying they're not out there, They can be found if you know how to read very techniqal Equations, With symbols that will blow your mind. For me, I created my own rather than having to deal with their unknown symbols. My Equations are correct and Blunt.

My Current Equations for reverse engineering the above is digitaly stored, and at this time I cant seem to access them. I'll post if needed. What equations am I speaking of?

Example; Build me a duct that will have an output of 400 CFM with an Velocity of 700. This Duct Has to be 8 Foot in length. I have equations for that.

You could very well incorporate this into the wfc. One could take these and learn the water formulas, You could learn allot about vibrating tubes when water flows threw them.

What you Want to know, You want to know the Velocity Limit of a Particular Tube, You want to Exceed that limit to cause the tube to go into vibration.