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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2010, 10:27:20 am »
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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2010, 13:19:37 pm »
I have researched his death .

I am pretty sure  , 99% sure , taht he died the way they say he did .

The nature of his death , if true , can be some evidence to confirm that his device did work .

Believe me , I want to believe he did it . I mean no disrespect for Stan , but I wanna be 100% SURE .

Now if somebody has direct , or indirect evidence , in wich a logical deduction of chain of events can lead us to  being more sure , plz share your hypothesis and observations .
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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2010, 13:39:06 pm »
can we stay ontopic here?

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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2010, 22:28:14 pm »
ok this is the strongest view i can come up with on how stan may have got 7000cc from 7 lbs pressure in his cell....  i dont see anywhere in stans evaluation that says the temp of the water in the fuel cell... stan says that this process is a cold process not interacting with the temp of water... i think stan would use colder water in this process at least colder then room temp.. water is at its most dense point at 39.2 degrees F.. density i beleive has a proptional relation to dielectric resistance, stans ideal circuit is one that restricts amps and allow voltage... .. i think stan liked it in the 70 degree region when showing off.. 70 degrees water is in a higher density then room temp...   if the water is 72 degrees and is being relesed into a chamber that is surrounded by a ambient room temp and or environment would it not expand due to room temp?.. this also means if the gas is cold entering into the intake of a vehicle the ambient air temp will cause the fuel gass to interact exothermaly.. mean the gas would want to force a expansion of it self into the medium that holds a constant ambient tempature... (ambient air)

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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2010, 17:05:48 pm »
i decided to pick up a book i have been meaning to read and flipped to a random page in the book to read this lol..


The treatise "Minerva Mundi"  attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, contains, under the most poetical and profound allegories, the dogma of self-creation of beings, or of the law of creation that results from the accord of two forces, these which the alchemist called the Fixed and the Volatile, and which are, in the Absolute, Necessity and Liberty.

When the Masters of Alchemy say that it needs little time and expense to accomplish the works of Science. When they affirm above all, that but a single vessel is necessary, when they speak of the great and single furnace, which all can use, which is within reach of all the world, and which men possess without knowing it,  they allude to the philosophical and moral Alchemy..  In fact, a strong and determined will can, in a little while, attain complete independence; and we all possess that chemical instrument, the great and single furnace, which serves to separate the subtile from the gross, and the fixed from the volatile. This instrument, complete as the world  and accurate as the mathematics themselves, is designated by the sages under the emblem of the pentagram or star with five points, the absolute sign of human intelligence.

The end and perfection of the Great Work is expressed, in alchemy, by a triangle  surmounted by a cross: and the letter Tau, the last of the Sacred alphabet, has the same meaning.

The "elementary fire" that comes primary by attraction, is evidently Electricaly or the Electric Force, primarly developed as magnatism, and in which is perhaps the secret of life or the vital force.

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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2010, 19:39:43 pm »
Well thats great outlaw , theres nothing like a good book .

I love geo-political books , I never really read much till I knew how interresting things really were lol .

I am currently reading Zbigniew Brzezinski's the grand chessboard .

 Theres alot of mediocre authors , have to research the good ones .

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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2010, 19:48:07 pm »
this isnt out of your average buy at the bookstore book.. its in the freemasons book.

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Re: Error in Stans Gas production
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2010, 18:04:38 pm »
Okay yesterday i had a discussion with electrojolt with the result that we both believed stan's demo tubecell was not only not overunity, but very inefficient.
I have given it a thought over the night and day and since i had come to that conclusion yesterday only based on vague memories of electrolysis efficiency i got my calculator out and tried some things.

Here are the assertions needed:
-  pressure meter measures in PSI not in Atmospheres
-  the voltage and current values were not going into the circuit at all but directly into the tubes, no power loss at other components
-  there is no electrical polarization process and it's normal electrolysis
-  1 liter [volume] = 10³ cm³ = 10³ cc = 1000 cc
-  the faraday constant is 96485C/mol, it’s the charge on which 1 mole of a substance is created
-  stan created 470ml / minute at 40 Amps (12,5V) – NOT 7l/min
-  the decomposition voltage of 100% efficient electrolysis of water is 1,23V
-  1As create 0,19cc of gas (*http://www.chemieonline.de/forum/showpost.php? p=263191&postcount=14)

With 40A of current, 60s of time, 1,23V of minimum voltage, regular electrolysis at 100% should create 40A * 60s * 0,19cc = 456cc gas. This requires 1,23V * 40A * 60s = 2,95kJ of energy.

The 4cc for an hour at this current like stated in the test is ridiculous and wrong.

Stan created 470cc in 60 seconds using the same current, that is roughly 100% the faraday efficiency. The assumption was that it is normal electrolysis, so not 12.5V * 40A create gas, only 49,2W of the 500W do this, the rest is dissipated as heat. This is of course very inefficient, although the current/charge use in general is very good. The numbers of the only published test result and of course the nature of the invention speak against him.

Although there are factors which speak for him: Several people, including a tv documentary, noticed NO heat creation when 450W of heat should have been dissipated, there are several people who claim to have replicated the invention (in parts), the circuit (if used) is well known as a voltage multiplier which wouldn’t allow for a current that high.
My conclusion is that if the test data is real the EPP exists, although the efficiency of that process is not known and may be under unity. It is very unlikely to have a common electrolysis process with that gas creation for the charge put in.
It is also likely that the 500Watts were going into the circuit total (for the motor which drives the alternator for example) and were not used wholly for gas creation purposes as asserted.