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Re: The Ewok Method
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 09:23:57 am »
Ewok,

You would become a hero if you could do 5lpm at 150watts...:-)


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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2010, 09:44:05 am »
did say "havn't" measured!!!
5 litres maybe getting over excited but why aim for the ceiling when the moon is so much bigger!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2010, 12:49:53 pm »
did say "havn't" measured!!!
5 litres maybe getting over excited but why aim for the ceiling when the moon is so much bigger!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2010, 18:08:13 pm »
Ok hit a small snag... or could be a blessing in diguise. Cell works nicely. Not done any actual production testing but phenomenon and a theory that you can all disect rip apart and then tell me what has really happened.
Ok set up is the same as described above and there is a whopping HV converter coutesy of an electronics nut friend of mine, he claim max out put at about 150k volts, i think its closer to 110kv maybe 105kv, still far more than i need!!! hook the cell up nice steady production for about 30secs, then there is like a wave where production goes up about 5 fold (caught me by surprise the first time!!!) then nothing for a few secs.
Now the first few times we completely destroyed some Diodes (and HV diode arrays). I have been informed that i will be paying for those and it was cause by BEMF. Using his and my observations and knowledge of what is happening we have come up with the following. The steady production is the plates charging and charging with the  amount of leakage causing the production. Then when the tubes/water can no longer hold anymore charge there is a cascade of power that flows from one to the other (massive flow of power is where my "5x" production came from) now the then nothing is the plates recharging to cycle again. I got my avalanche effect in the bag.

Now to make this a serious find i need to get atleast 5 LPM from no more than 120 watts right? From some improvements and some possible modifactions i feel i can blow this number out of the water with no electrolyte. Well that is the current standing anyway.

Hey sounds fantastic! keep going!!

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2010, 07:02:19 am »
Update time again,
Cell is on hold as i am trying to design my power supply. So far i have a variable voltage "Tesla coil" that has a nice output but is not as stable as i hoped. On top of that i need some HV diodes. Now that voltage i need we are talking $30 to construct it and there is no guarentee that it will work. Someone has pointed me toward Vaccuum tube designs and has suggested that i may not need to make them a vaccuum to work in my application... Also there have been suggestions of collecting the fly back to "re-pump" back into the power supply. Nice idea but we'll see. Right now i have found some interesting things happen when you use inductors connected to the plates of your cell... but you need the output in waves to use the "tank circuit" effect :)

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 06:50:19 am »
I won't bore you all with the woes of my HV power supply build instead Just noting down an idea for furtherment on my project. I read somewhere that the more intense the electric field the easier it is for current to flow. This intrigued me to the point of the below possible upgrade to my cell design.
 
Plates set out in at I+I+~~-I-I configuration where the "I" is a coating of HDPVC or other such high electrical resistant polymer (looking in the 400kv/mm range) then the outter "+" & "-" are the likes of a HV Capaciter (simply 2 plates connected via vacuum tube, coil, vacuum tube setup then pulse the coil with a magnetic field creating a high voltage displacement and using the vacuum tubes as a low tech diode) This creates a stable HV field that "should" have almost no degredation (much like a charged capacitor) Then the "+~~-" is connected as a step-down transformer converting the power supply into as much amps as can be used before it won't flow through the water ("~" is water).
 
As the HV field will still have some degredation it will need mild maintenance, but aslong as the field strength is about (or exceeding) 100kv/mm the process should be extremely efficient.
 
As usual please pull my theory apart and explain to me why this won't work. But first i am going to remind you that high voltage electric field speed up the movement of the electrons in their field.
 
(I am also working on other such projects using the same theory but they are not HHO related and thus not going to be listed here unless they become relevant)

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Re: The Ewok Method
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 09:57:31 am »
so the idea is to have the electrolysis cell within a separate high strength constant static electric field so that the amps flow through the water easier?


the +I+ part and the -I- of the cell will have electrical repulsion, and the electric field from the outer plates wont travel through the inner plates? unless maybe the inner plates had slots or holes in them


i suggest this concept of configuration, symbols are the same as yours, the + side and - side might be 6"x6" for example, with 1"x6" strips, alternating high voltage and low voltage, where the high voltages are insulated from the water gap, while the low voltages are bare, and the water gap may be 1/8th inch or so


+HVI~~~LV-
+LV~~~IHV-
+HVI~~~LV-
+LV~~~IHV-
+HVI~~~LV-
+LV~~~IHV-


here you have the high voltage electric field zig-zagging across the water gap, giving your theoretical boost to current flow, as the current flow zig-zags between the low voltage plates


it might not work, but i'd like to see if that theory has any merit, science is all about testing your hypothesis

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Re: The Ewok Method
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2010, 07:40:45 am »
I will keep your suggestion in mind but i am hoping that with the voltage differences (150kv for the HV and 1-2v on the electrodes) that repulsion won't be an issue (well it is a factor but not an issue!!!)