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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 16:39:48 pm »
Heres a pic for you
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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 17:16:36 pm »
i have built every part of this circuit eactly and to the point i even etch the identicle boards  it doesnt work  the coil was also correct

it didnt work i messed with for 4 months

the problems with just  the circuit board is

1 their is an led that goes in series with the  100k pot which is not on the schematic
2  the 555  7490 and 7404 is all 5 volt not 12v
3 the 7404 has an led on it through to ground
4 the 7404 with led  is 12 volt dropped down and what is called current sunk
5 the 12 volt is seperate fed for the scr  is also reason for so many capcitors on the voltage regulators
6 the schematic is missing 3 key parts that make it work 
7 d1 is a freewheel diode  value doesnt matter  just keeps emf from blowing scr or keeping it latched open
8 18 volts goes into coil  17 volts come out amps is 1.36 to cell

i used all components of equal value to don has given
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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 17:51:23 pm »
theirs also an led that goes from power rail on 5v to ground  to indicate power is working

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 17:55:59 pm »
Thank you Don!
Thank you everyone for helping on the component values!

Steve, "natural water", I think just means any water, rain, well, river, whatever, tap, sea water... the "natural" word means "no chemicals added" ... so you "don't process the water in any way" ... you just take the water and put it in.

dudleyengineering, I am interested in your work and experience with this circuit, all your efforts would be extremely useful, would you be willing to share some of your work with us here in this topic? any pictures or component values or descriptions of how it is built would be fabulous. If it didn't work for you then maybe we can take another look and figure out how to make it work?

This is great news, and thanks for the picture Don, beautiful!

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 18:00:51 pm »
theres one thing about this set up that interest me at the moment that i think many may overlook..  we know that it is stated that this works due to the amp inhibiting effect  which is created by the bifilair chokes stated by stan many times.. dynodon has given is the specs for the wind count and size for this prototype, even the core type...  but one thing i notice he has done that has played in other roles of why things dont work right.. he has delrin encasing the bobbin from the looks of it..   air may be resistive to current, but when i core is being rung at into higher potentials would it not have energy loss in the core, but to isolate the core is to make it into a tank circuit in it self?

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 18:19:10 pm »
the delrin case is on the bobbin as  a means of attaching the core to the box

the circuit will produce gas but not the amount you would think  it isnt an overunity because it uses 5 amps going into the inductor  which is restricted to 1.36  the  other 3.7 amps are wasted as heat  and magnetism of the core

the unit will get hot the reason the units are so tall is to make it take a long time  because the volume of water and metal are higher

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 18:32:13 pm »
The D1 diode didn't have a number on it.Just a normal diode rated for 4amps will do.As for the SCR,it's just a 400v 35amp.The GE ones aren't available anymore.35 amp is over kill.The vari-ac is only rated for 5 amps,so thats the limit the whole system can handle.
The choke coil picture I took.And I measured the inductance as well.760 uH was taken with a BK Precision LCR meter.The full bridge rectifier is just a 25 volt 40 amp.
Don

760uH you mean each choke ?

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 19:15:22 pm »
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The full bridge rectifier is just a 25 volt 40 amp.
Don

dynodon i have a spec sheet for the bridge rectifier (mb12a25v40)..  it is a single phase 25 amp 400 volt