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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2010, 19:03:21 pm »
According to the data sheets on decade counters they are good into the megahertz range.  I'm all ears as to what a state of the art circuit that would do similarly synchronizing a moderate sine or square wave on the front end with a much faster switch on the back end.  It seems Stan carried over the decade counters from his original circuit to the pll circuit so there must be a reason for that.  Hopefully the answers will be forthcoming soon.

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2010, 20:43:47 pm »
depends on the values. you can measure the wfc-capacity WITHOUT water with a RLC meter (be sure to short it first so there is no voltage across it) and then multiply it by 80 to have a rough estimate. The coil inductance is also measurable.
Then calculate the resonant frequency, it may be off several thousand hertz but it gives you a range to work with.

Also does anyone know how much amps the plate cell consumes at a specific voltage / frequency? Dynodon said something about that in the second video but i couldn't understand it.
The use of decade counters and so on isn't necessary anymore, it's not state of the art and it won't perform magic. Interesting that Stan advised to not use filter caps. I will remove them from my device.

What about filter caps , My power supply has these to keep the dc straight ?

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2010, 20:48:14 pm »
the circuit of the plate cell is apparently working from half-wave dc or |ac| and not straight dc. will test both when the mosfets arrive.



@ decade counters: probably mikrocontrollers can do the job as one ic block without the need for a large circuit board with resistors and caps and so on. but this would be for later anyway, after one can replicate the proof of concept device (tubecell or plate cell).

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2010, 17:48:02 pm »
Dankie, in cases like these, the perfect sine wave or smoothing with caps does not apply and defeats the main purpose of the signal. Listen through a speaker the difference between a square wave and a sine wave or even a sawtooth wave. The square wave has the sharpest and most pronounced sound, does it not?

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2010, 22:22:44 pm »
Borrowed some 18 gage wire from the Motor Repair Shop, Here are some of my cores i'll be playing with:

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And I wound the Resonant Charging Chokes just as Dynodon described.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture4-4.png)

Should have everything hooked up soon, I need to pick up a few more parts.

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2010, 22:55:44 pm »
Looking great Donald.. :)

Hope you see some nice scopeshots!


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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2010, 22:57:48 pm »
I don't have a scope yet, but I'll probably get one this summer.

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Re: Demonstration Cell - Variable Spacing Plate Cell
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2010, 16:37:35 pm »
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/plateviccopy.jpg)

NEW VIDEO:

This is Figure 8XA: Voltage Intensifier Circuit (VIC) from page 22 of the International Independent Test Evaluation Report. The Cell being used is a smaller version of Exhibit E2: Tubular Cluster Array from page 28.

The circuit functions. The gas production results are yet to be evaluated.
The small meter is for amps, the big meter is for volts, measured as indicated in Figure 8XA
The SCR being used is a ECG 5418, and operates fine, with no latching issues. D1 has not been used, but it still works.

This is distilled water, however the purity is questionable.