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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 06:52:33 am »
I have made a testcell which separates H from O, but thats less efficient then a normal HHO cell.
If anybody finds a way to separate H from O from the output of our drycells, then he will become a hero!

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I saw an interesting video that showed that oxygen is actually attracted to magnetic fields. he proved this with liquid oxygen, a nice light blue color, poured it through a magnet. could you not just magnetically channel the oxygen???  have a branch off from your main line that magnetically "pulls" the oxygen into the pipe. Mind you this only works on the principal that hydrogen is not magnetic...

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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 11:45:06 am »
Hydrogen is supposed to expand a lot with a slight temperature increase, it is used as an expansion fluid in some sterling engines for this reason.

Doesnt that make you think?

Steve

I'll think about it, Stan doesn't mention heating the fuel before using it.

If the reason for heating it is to increase it's volume or pressure, then I'd wonder if this is required.

The BMW people probably do not use exhaust gasses to modulate the burn rate, so i assume they design their engines to run on simple hydrogen, and this is why they need to heat it up to manipulate it's volume and this might have an effect on it's mixing and burning... but i would think it would make it mix with oxygen faster, and then burn faster. So they would even be redesigning their engines to run on the properties of hydrogen.

You have to realize than when Stan got all his patents to make hydrogen a reasonable fuel source he solved ALL the problems with using hydrogen as fuel, and all the other companies are NOT using his patents, so they have to bullshit their way around and still make the systems work.

Every company working towards the "Hydrogen Economy" is ignoring all of Stan's simple solutions.

They are NOT using quenching circuits

They are NOT modulating the burn rate and temperature with non combustible gasses

They are NOT producing hydrogen on demand

They ARE doing stupid things like compressing hydrogen, cooling and liquefying it in heavy tanks.

They ARE doing stupid things like making Hydrogen gas stations

All of this new hydrogen technology coming from the big companies is all over complicated, fancy, futuristic looking bullshit, and they are doing it all the hard way.

Stan says "it doesn't matter what type of hydrogen system you develop, you are going to have to go through Stan Meyer's Blue Zone to render it safer than natural gas" and guess what? They are working around Stan's Blue Zone, and it's causing them a lot of problems. (See the Switzerland Video)

Well, we dont know what Stan did in totall, is it.
One thing i am sure. BMW engineers are definitly not stupid.. ;)
What i noticed, is that the HHO was cold on the skin...So, HHO is cooling down the engine too much when not pre-heated.
Now i have to find out how warm HHO must be, before an engine is gonna like it.
And, yes, maybe that was one of the reasons why Stan used exhaust gasses too.


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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 11:47:49 am »
I have made a testcell which separates H from O, but thats less efficient then a normal HHO cell.
If anybody finds a way to separate H from O from the output of our drycells, then he will become a hero!

Steve
I saw an interesting video that showed that oxygen is actually attracted to magnetic fields. he proved this with liquid oxygen, a nice light blue color, poured it through a magnet. could you not just magnetically channel the oxygen???  have a branch off from your main line that magnetically "pulls" the oxygen into the pipe. Mind you this only works on the principal that hydrogen is not magnetic...

Ewok,

I have tried that with big magnets. The issue is that only liquid oxygen is magnetic and not oxygen gas.
Good suggestion, btw.
Hope you have more idea's!  :)

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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 11:58:31 am »
BTW, you all seen the video of Stan standing besides his bug screaming how wonderfull is was that the bug ran on water, with that democell of his and the alternator besides the car.

Look at the beginning of that video....Stan removes something from the bug..very quickly.
My best gues is that he removed a small bucket with petrol for the startup procedure. That way he makes the engine do some revs to heat up a bit..

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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 21:16:34 pm »
If BMW goes wth 50 C; I would go with it.
The bottom radiator pipe on watercooled engines should be around that temp.
Perhaps an exhaust heat exchanger for cold starts , then the above?

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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 15:38:47 pm »
steve is easy to have h2 output and oxygen output. you just need a membrane between your electrodes. leather could help you...

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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 15:51:52 pm »
If BMW goes wth 50 C; I would go with it.
The bottom radiator pipe on watercooled engines should be around that temp.
Perhaps an exhaust heat exchanger for cold starts , then the above?

yes, thats my idea as well. 50 degree C is a nice target.

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Re: Heat exchanger HHO
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 15:53:19 pm »
steve is easy to have h2 output and oxygen output. you just need a membrane between your electrodes. leather could help you...

Leather? How resistance is that against NAOH or KOH?
What type leather?
Good idea, btw!

Steve