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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 21:33:17 pm »
can you use it on an electrical generator instead of a motorbike?
or calculate how much power the bike draws at 3500rpm?
it's all about the numbers  ;)

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 21:38:50 pm »
can you use it on an electrical generator instead of a motorbike?
or calculate how much power the bike draws at 3500rpm?
it's all about the numbers  ;)

Good questions.
I start to hate my power generator a little bit. Thats mostly because its a 1 cylinder engine and has a waistspark. My bike doesnt.
Its also clear to me that a bigger engine works better then a smaller one, in my case.

My bike has around 85bhp at high revs..... I will look up to see what how much power it has at 3500rpm...

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 22:09:47 pm »
i'm no expert but could there be a difference to power when you drive at 3500rpm or when you idle at 3500rpm? so that the power consumption of your bike in idle is below this 1300W?

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 00:42:18 am »
i'm no expert but could there be a difference to power when you drive at 3500rpm or when you idle at 3500rpm? so that the power consumption of your bike in idle is below this 1300W?

Of course, you need more power to drive then to idle.  You can hear the power when i rev the engine. Its absolutly not without power.

Well, i hope it inspires you all! It did to me  :)
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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 10:47:44 am »
Stevie

This is EXCELLENT!!  Well done!!!
Did you make any important changes to your 60 series cell, I assume it is a 5 series x 12 in parallel, or 6 x 10?
Are you using NaOH/KOH?

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 13:14:54 pm »
Stevie

This is EXCELLENT!!  Well done!!!
Did you make any important changes to your 60 series cell, I assume it is a 5 series x 12 in parallel, or 6 x 10?
Are you using NaOH/KOH?

Wouter

Wouter, i changed my view on things a bit.
As you know, i ran always on tapwater without naoh or koh.
But there are 2 big issues with that.
1. its less efficient
2. The brown scum is terrible, even with all the filters in the world.

The only way to get a reasonable production with tapwater is with a tiny gap and the brown scum likes it there very much. So, my plates have been sanded for the third time in half a year now.

So, current cell is with the same plates of 30cm by 10cm. But it has now a gap of 1mm in stead of 0.5mm.
I was advised to go to 3mm, but with my low height of 10cm, it can be reduced to 1mm.
Thanks to Ausepom, i switched the holes per plate, meaning, not 1 hole is in a strait line with the next one.

I also played now for first time with KOH and NAOH. It seems my cell like NAOH a fraction better.

Its not the best cell in the world, but for the plates i have, it does a good job.
All 60 plates are in serie. Accoording to Faraday it does a 87%.
I tried other options, like 5 series of 12, but what i try, i always end up with one big seriecell.
To be honest, 50 plates would be the best, but i needed more gas, so i added 10 extra.
I have some plates left, so maybe i will make me a 13.8V version as extra.

Does your tubecells still doing 95% efficiency?

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 20:47:46 pm »
Steve

Very nice!

The "WaterfuelForAll" 6 series tubular design does 2 liter per minute  @ 20 amps, 13.8VDC.  At room temperature this converts to 2.16W/lph which is 93.9% Faraday efficiency.

How many Volts are you supplying to your 60 plate cell? (My guess would be around 140V)
So are you saying that with a "normal" series cell consuming +-1300W you are able to run your 600c bike at 3500 rpm? Do I understand you correct?

Wouter

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 21:40:23 pm »
Steve

Very nice!

The "WaterfuelForAll" 6 series tubular design does 2 liter per minute  @ 20 amps, 13.8VDC.  At room temperature this converts to 2.16W/lph which is 93.9% Faraday efficiency.

How many Volts are you supplying to your 60 plate cell? (My guess would be around 140V)
So are you saying that with a "normal" series cell consuming +-1300W you are able to run your 600c bike at 3500 rpm? Do I understand you correct?

Wouter

Hi Wouter,

60 plates = 59 cells
Volts/amps needed to run the bike on 3500 rpms = 124V by 11A = 2,10V per cell
Volts/amps needed to idle the bike on 1000 rpms = 122V by 9A =  2,06V per cell

The amount of litres HHO is very difficult to measure. This, because i use a 1,5ltr bottle and it filled in seconds....At 9 amps its like 6/7 litres a minute...At 11A it does like 8/9 litres a minute.

If you send me 10 of your 2 litres a minute cells, i will demo for you a running car!

Steve

Ps.
I will try tomorrow a 1.4 litre Renault Clio. See if it will idle..... ;)