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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2009, 21:19:07 pm »
Question,
Your limited to 3500 rpm is that because of production or delivery? in otherwords could you increase how far the gas stretches by diluting it with atmosphere? If your engine is running lean on the HHO you could increase the "amount" of gas by mixing it with air. Like adjusting the fuel to air ratio on a car normally.

Its already a mix with ambient air and HHO.

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2009, 21:20:24 pm »
Steve I am going to do this when I start trying to run engines, you may find this a useful idea too:

Set up three identical carburetors attached to the single intake manifold, where:

The first carburetor is for the gasses from the cell (hydrogen, oxygen, and dissolved air gasses)
The second carburetor is for the exhaust gasses from the engine, which may have to be cooled
The third carburetor is for ambient air, and eventually ionized ambient air

Then you have complete control over the fuel mixture, and can set up each carburetor as needed, tune it, and set up the throttle so they all work together as required.
Nice ideas.
Not sure on the exhaust gasses, btw. In my tests, they didnt improve anything.

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2009, 00:33:00 am »
Steve I am going to do this when I start trying to run engines, you may find this a useful idea too:

Set up three identical carburetors attached to the single intake manifold, where:

The first carburetor is for the gasses from the cell (hydrogen, oxygen, and dissolved air gasses)
The second carburetor is for the exhaust gasses from the engine, which may have to be cooled
The third carburetor is for ambient air, and eventually ionized ambient air

Then you have complete control over the fuel mixture, and can set up each carburetor as needed, tune it, and set up the throttle so they all work together as required.
Nice ideas.
Not sure on the exhaust gasses, btw. In my tests, they didnt improve anything.

Steve

The Exhaust didn't improve anything for me either, However, Stan Clearly States that the Exhaust Gases Must be Cooled Down before it is mixed, Or Mixed than Cooled down, I forget. But the gas can not be Hot exhaust.

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2009, 01:03:52 am »
I am making plans to make a big spiral around my double exhaust as heat exchanger and see if i ll get a big raise in temp and then see what that brings.. :)

Remenber tyhat the autoignition temp of H is 500C.
The compression stroke will also increase the temp of the mixture; so the gas mixture entering the engine will have to be well below 500C.
If not; the the mixture will ignite during the compression stroke, try to drive the piston back and bye-bye engine.

The UV story is nice, but i tried a great bundle of LEDS in many waveforms. Nothing happend to the flame which i used for my tests.So, thats for me a myth.

Dont throw the LED's away yet; it seems that high temp helps.
(The link I have wont post.  :( )

What frequencies of light are said to be best for this?

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2009, 02:15:20 am »
LEDs in the ranges Stan specifies (visual range, and specifically red) do not have small enough wavelengths to ionize anything individually, however they do add energy to the atoms, as photon/light/laser energy, and move the electrons farther from the nucleus, up to the maximum absorbed rate, this makes it *easier* for the voltage to pull off the electrons, but the LEDs themselves are not powerful enough to do anything. (To ionize with LEDs alone you would need to go into the deep-ultra-violet range with a wavelength of around 100 nm or so, and these things are expensive to rare to non-existent)

Get a working VIC then you can add LEDs to make the process more efficient!

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2009, 04:33:18 am »
LEDs in the ranges Stan specifies (visual range, and specifically red) do not have small enough wavelengths to ionize anything individually, however they do add energy to the atoms, as photon/light/laser energy, and move the electrons farther from the nucleus, up to the maximum absorbed rate, this makes it *easier* for the voltage to pull off the electrons, but the LEDs themselves are not powerful enough to do anything. (To ionize with LEDs alone you would need to go into the deep-ultra-violet range with a wavelength of around 100 nm or so, and these things are expensive to rare to non-existent)

Get a working VIC then you can add LEDs to make the process more efficient!

Heating Hydroen with the right Wave Length... Hrm...

How about Heating Air with the correct wave length... What leds would be good use for heating Air? LOL, Well, its quite like this,, You can put air in a metal cylinder and heat that cylinder, That air will become heated just as hydrogen would become heated. When an atom becomes ionized, Talking on the atomic level the electron moves away from the nucleus! Just as the Oxygen electron moved away from the nucleus when the oxygen was placed in the metal heated cylinder. Heat causes this effect. You can simply use the right "Wave Length" of led to move the hydrogens electron away from its nuc, Or, you can do it the simple way and use a heat source. Both techniquies will cause the electron to move and both will move the electron. In Fact, When you say use a led to cause ionization of an atom instead of using heat, "Its like you're reinventing the wheel." Lots of folks Simply Can not compute those facts, But its very basic knowledge that can be very easily understood.

Heated Atoms get bigger in mass, Causing the electrons to move outward. Depending on how far the electron moved outward determins that atoms Nanameter wavelength due to the Frequency at which the electron orbits the nucleus. Use the proper led, or heat source the atom will react the same no matter the source used. However, (If you are trying to use a Led Photo,) You had better hit that resonate freq which causes the electron to move outward.. Or Simply put... Chunk the led in the garbadge an heat it some other way and forget all about the nanometer. Thats way to technical and it is by no means neccaserry required to get the job done. Google how the electrons Distance from the nucleus is used to Determine how hot the atom is. There comes a time of ionization. Learn exactly what that means when it comes to the electron. Its simple. To Create Water Gas using water and coal ionization is also a must. Look in that area as well.

Thats just my off topic post, Hopefully stevie want get to angry with me. I'll send him a beer, Cheers.

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2009, 22:56:42 pm »
LEDs in the ranges Stan specifies (visual range, and specifically red) do not have small enough wavelengths to ionize anything individually, however they do add energy to the atoms, as photon/light/laser energy, and move the electrons farther from the nucleus, up to the maximum absorbed rate, this makes it *easier* for the voltage to pull off the electrons, but the LEDs themselves are not powerful enough to do anything. (To ionize with LEDs alone you would need to go into the deep-ultra-violet range with a wavelength of around 100 nm or so, and these things are expensive to rare to non-existent)

Get a working VIC then you can add LEDs to make the process more efficient!

Heating Hydroen with the right Wave Length... Hrm...

How about Heating Air with the correct wave length... What leds would be good use for heating Air? LOL, Well, its quite like this,, You can put air in a metal cylinder and heat that cylinder, That air will become heated just as hydrogen would become heated. When an atom becomes ionized, Talking on the atomic level the electron moves away from the nucleus! Just as the Oxygen electron moved away from the nucleus when the oxygen was placed in the metal heated cylinder. Heat causes this effect. You can simply use the right "Wave Length" of led to move the hydrogens electron away from its nuc, Or, you can do it the simple way and use a heat source. Both techniquies will cause the electron to move and both will move the electron. In Fact, When you say use a led to cause ionization of an atom instead of using heat, "Its like you're reinventing the wheel." Lots of folks Simply Can not compute those facts, But its very basic knowledge that can be very easily understood.

Heated Atoms get bigger in mass, Causing the electrons to move outward. Depending on how far the electron moved outward determins that atoms Nanameter wavelength due to the Frequency at which the electron orbits the nucleus. Use the proper led, or heat source the atom will react the same no matter the source used. However, (If you are trying to use a Led Photo,) You had better hit that resonate freq which causes the electron to move outward.. Or Simply put... Chunk the led in the garbadge an heat it some other way and forget all about the nanometer. Thats way to technical and it is by no means neccaserry required to get the job done. Google how the electrons Distance from the nucleus is used to Determine how hot the atom is. There comes a time of ionization. Learn exactly what that means when it comes to the electron. Its simple. To Create Water Gas using water and coal ionization is also a must. Look in that area as well.

Thats just my off topic post, Hopefully stevie want get to angry with me. I'll send him a beer, Cheers.
A beer is always welcome.. ;)


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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2009, 03:30:14 am »
Hey Steve,
I understand that this is targeted at straight HHO running an engine but you said you think that Mr Meyers ran his engine on fuel first then switched to HHO once hot to use the exhaust. If you ran the engine extremely ambient rich this would heat the engine up very quickly...
Also the exhaust would heat up far faster than the actual engine. As this is produced on demand there would need to be "some" HHO left in the system once the car is turned off. Using an idea similar to the choke of a car could you not throttle the amount of ambient air into the engine and simply quell the amount of fuel so that the engines exhaust is a lot warmer on start up? i think you could almost use the heat from the exhaust straight away meaning that there would be no need to start it up on petrol first.
Things to take into account would be the sudden heat stress on the exhaust valves, they are already pretty sturdy but from my understanding cars have been running reasonably ambient lean until the engine heats up at which point the mix changes.