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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 22:54:36 pm »
I'm guessing you may be heating the gas Steve?  :)

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 23:48:54 pm »
I'm guessing you may be heating the gas Steve?  :)

For sure, it will not work on a cold engine......

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 20:22:10 pm »
...For sure, it will not work on a cold engine......

Steve

So you start on petrol and then change over to HHO when the engine is hot?
Are you relying on the waste heat in the inlet tract and chamber to expand the gas volume?

Do you have any sort of heat exchanger to heat the gas?

Heat should increase the amount of orthohydrogen.

Have you done any research on producing monatomic H?
This should "double" the volume of H gas with a far more reactive form of H, said to give off more energy than that reqd to split H2 into H.

UV Light is one of the methods and will also affect the O2...
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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2009, 01:04:22 am »
I'm guessing you may be heating the gas Steve?  :)

For sure, it will not work on a cold engine......

Steve

Hello steve
1° congratulations great job
2° could you enlighten me explaining why wouldn't work on a cold engine?

thanks

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2009, 22:20:00 pm »
...For sure, it will not work on a cold engine......

Steve

So you start on petrol and then change over to HHO when the engine is hot?
Are you relying on the waste heat in the inlet tract and chamber to expand the gas volume?

Do you have any sort of heat exchanger to heat the gas?

Heat should increase the amount of orthohydrogen.

Have you done any research on producing monatomic H?
This should "double" the volume of H gas with a far more reactive form of H, said to give off more energy than that reqd to split H2 into H.

UV Light is one of the methods and will also affect the O2...

Yes, thats correct. First run the engine hot and then switch to HHO.
I am pretty sure that the hot carbs function as gas expander, yes.

I am making plans to make a big spiral around my double exhaust as heat exchanger and see if i ll get a big raise in temp and then see what that brings.. :)

I know the theory about the balance between ortho and para. That sad things is that nobody can measure such fenomenon....At least, i cant. I only can act on what i see is working.

The other thing to test is HV on the gas and try to get more energy into the gas..Maybe even with an EEC after that. The truth about using HV with oxygen is that you will get ozon.
And that i maybe blow up my stuff as well....So that will be the next step, after making that heat exchanger.

The UV story is nice, but i tried a great bundle of LEDS in many waveforms. Nothing happend to the flame which i used for my tests.So, thats for me a myth.


At least, i have a working setup with my Bike, on which i can develop now. Its much more realistic then my grasmower and less dangerous (waist spark).....

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2009, 02:23:50 am »
If you heat the gas it will expand,
wont the gas be to much big for a good power equalization??, i mean wont you have too much lower power than the engine than gasoline ?

I knew a brazilian who told me he was able to run a 4.1liters car on h2 from water and he told me that if you make a heat exchanger the way you described you have more powerful explosion from the same gas. I didn't prove that yet as i believe you would need at least 1 liter h2 02 per second to run a car well. He also used a heat exchanger that heat up the cell up to about 90° celsius. Than the reaction would occur.
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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2009, 05:22:40 am »
Question,
Your limited to 3500 rpm is that because of production or delivery? in otherwords could you increase how far the gas stretches by diluting it with atmosphere? If your engine is running lean on the HHO you could increase the "amount" of gas by mixing it with air. Like adjusting the fuel to air ratio on a car normally.

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Re: 3500 rpm on water......
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2009, 06:15:20 am »
Steve I am going to do this when I start trying to run engines, you may find this a useful idea too:

Set up three identical carburetors attached to the single intake manifold, where:

The first carburetor is for the gasses from the cell (hydrogen, oxygen, and dissolved air gasses)
The second carburetor is for the exhaust gasses from the engine, which may have to be cooled
The third carburetor is for ambient air, and eventually ionized ambient air

Then you have complete control over the fuel mixture, and can set up each carburetor as needed, tune it, and set up the throttle so they all work together as required.