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Re: Bubz
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2009, 04:48:31 am »
If you need something made, i'd be glad to help.

I have been considering making a variable plate demo cell too, so if that is your plan maybe we should have a conversation about it!

I would use the same acrylic tubing my other one is made of, and have end pieces the same, basically make it the same size and shape but with different insides. then i would need the pulsing circuit, but that's not my strong point.... yet

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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2009, 15:27:55 pm »
Bubz,yes thats my lathe.It's a 7x12 inch.I bought it from www.toolsnow.com
It does english and metric threads,and comes with alot of accessories.Great for small stuff.
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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2009, 01:41:11 am »
Thanks again guys! I see there is a new topic or thread. I'll just mozy on over there.

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Re: Bubz "To choke or not to choke, that is the question"
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2009, 03:46:46 am »
I was re-reviewing some of Stan's patents and I came across a very interesting piece. What I gather from this is, Stan had found a way to produce abundant gasses before the discovery of the resonant chokes. So, it is still possible to acheive this "Resonant Action" without the need for chokes. Please read the following quote from the US Patent # 4798661 by Stanley Meyer.

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

In the utilization of a generator for the separation of the hydrogen and oxygen gasses from water; and the production of the gasses is varied by varying the amplitude of the voltage and/or the pulse rate--duty cycle of the pulsed d.c. voltage applied to the plate exciters in a vessel of water.
The present invention comprises a power supply with the applied voltage to the pair of plate exciters variable from zero upward to extremely high voltages; but yet, that inhibits the electron leakage.

The power supply of the present invention includes circuitry for an increased production of the generation of the gasses through varying the amplitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters. The circuitry includes means and components for restriction of the electron leakage (current flow).

The applied voltage to the pair of plate exciters is a unipolar pulse d.c. voltage of a repetitive frequency. Alternate power circuitry is utilized. In the first embodiment the input voltage is alternating current fed to a bridge rectifier; whereas in the second preferred embodiment, the input voltage is direct current applied to the primary of a rotating field secondary winding.

With a very low level of amplitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters, no electron leakage from the negative potential plate exciter to the positive potential attractive field will occur. An amplitude of the voltage above a first forceful level will cause electron leakage. The circuitry of the invention overcomes the electron leakage with the application to the plate exciters the aforesaid pulsed d.c. voltage.

An increase in amplitude of the applied voltage above a second level, will result in electron leakage.

To obtain additional gas production without electron leakage, circuitry in the power supply prevents electron leakage by varying the duty cycle of the pulsed d.c.voltage applied to the plate exciters. The varying levels of amplitude of the duty cycle pulses effectively restrains the electrons from the B+ attractive field.

The pulsating d.c. voltage and the duty cycle pulses have a maximum amplitude of the level that would cause electron leakage. Varying of the amplitude to an amplitude of maximum level to an amplitude below the maximum level of the pulses, provide an average amplitude below the maximum limit; but with the force of the maximum limit.

In most instances of a practical application of the hydrogen and oxygen generator the pair of plate exciters will be several pairs connected in parallel. There will be one terminal to the positive voltage and another terminal to the negative voltage. A further expediency to eliminate electron leakage is attained by eliminating the large surface area probability of stray electrons.

It is noted that the first two circuit components and the multiple connections for restricing electron leakage relates to the plate exciter having the negative voltage applied thereto. That is the circuitry overcomes the attractive force of the B+ potential field. Additional circuitry is provided for very high yield gas production above the aforesaid upper limits, in the negative applied voltage plate exciter.

A circuit is included in the negative plate exciter that practicaly eliminates electron flow; that is, the electrons are prevented from reaching the negative plate exciter and thereby eliminating the affect of the attractive force of the B+ field. A current limiting resister connected between the negative plate exciter and ground, prevents current flow--electron leakage to the the opposite polarity field.

The circuit comprises a limiter resistor connected between the negative plate and ground that blocks current flow--electron leakage to the negative plate. The practical elimination of the current has no affect on the voltage, in the preferred embodiment, since there is no voltage drop.

In a sophisticated embodiment, the limiting resistor comprises a unique structure of poorly conductive material having a resistive mixture sandwiched therebetween. A second resistor of the variable type is serially connected to the unique limiter for tuning. The value of the limiting resistance is determined by the current passing therethrough. The variable is employed until the ammeter reads zero or close to zero as possible.

The sandwich type limiter is varied in value by controlling the mixture of resistive material to binder.

The circuitry and expedients to inhibit the electron leakage at all levels of the magnitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters is a sequence of steps and functions operable from predetermined circuit components. The order of the circuit functions is set and preferably not altered; however, each of the specific variables can be varied independantly and varied with interrelated function to the other.

The phenomena that the spacing between two objects is related to the wavelength of a physical motion between the two objects is utilized herein. A relatively small increase in amplitude will yield an output several magnitudes greater when the motion of the water molecule is moving to and fro with a repetition rate to match the resonant length of the spacing between the pair of exciters.


I would like to know how he calculated the frequency to the gap space. Any ideas? I am really confused by the statement, "The circuit comprises a limiter resistor connected between the negative plate and ground that blocks current flow--electron leakage to the negative plate. The practical elimination of the current has no affect on the voltage, in the preferred embodiment, since there is no voltage drop." How can there be no voltage drop?

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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2009, 04:03:13 am »
Interesting, I remember reading this a long time ago, i think it's about time i read all the patents another time through :)

I think what he means here is that he is applying positive voltage from the power supply, and the grounding the negative to a different ground, with a home-made resistor in between negative and ground, this means the positive voltage is always the same, (no voltage drop), but the electrons come from the negative connection... so they have to go through his resistor, and this is how he limits the current.

He mentions two power supplies, i believe these are the variable plate cell setup and the tubular array setup (or i mean the power supplies associated with them, is what he is talking about)

I will try this next time i get a chance... ground the negative connection by a different path, and try some "poorly conductive material" in between.

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« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2009, 20:36:25 pm »
Hi Bubz,

I re-read the patent.  I had previously thought that the variable resistor was acting to increase the plate voltage on the negative plate(s) of the wfc.  Looking at it again he describes the "resistor" following the variable resistor as a pair of stainless steel plates sandwiched with a poorly conductive material.  That looks similar to a description of a plate capacitor and water is also a poorly conductive material also known as a dielectric or semi-conductor.  So it looks to me as if Stan is trying to match the capacitance of the wfc with a resistor-capacitor before ground which is how he describes his wfc in some figurative drawings i.e. something with resistive and capacitive properties.  Also I thought the method was a trick to get around the voltage limitations of an electrolytic process; for example 2 volts brute force between 2 plates is pretty efficient.  Anything above is wasted in the form of heat.  A series circuit is like a one lane road but a parallel circuit is like a super-highway.  Let's say the positive plate has a voltage potential of 12 volts and the negative plate has a potential of 10 volts; still 2 volts potential but delivered in a parallel configuration.  Anyway those are my thoughts I haven't tried the variable resistor in circuit either.  I had asked someone about this before but never heard back.  I guess the question is how does a capacitor perform in a pulse dc circuit without dielectric breakdown.

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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2009, 00:42:03 am »
Ever had the thought that the "voltages" Stan refers too is required but not as an electrolysis medium but more as a local environment change?

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« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2009, 16:43:23 pm »
Actually yes, one of my earlier thoughts, if you read the water fuel cell explanation in the independent report, from a Dublin institute of something, they do a chemistry type analysis of the process.

basically what they are saying is the reaction of H2O splitting into H and OH ions is constantly, naturally, occurring, in a back and forth process around an "equilibrium point"

and the basic idea is that the water molecule is constantly dissociating and associating itself, and all the WFC does is put the water into a different environment, a pulsing electric field environment, whereby two things happen

1. the naturally dissociated ions are collected, gathered together as a gas to be removed from the water

This removes the ions on one side of the reaction equation, so more ions are naturally created to go back towards equilibrium.

2. The pulsed electric field environment shifts the "equilibrium point"  such that more ions are naturally in solution at any given time.

This then increases the effect of point 1.

and there you go, you're just collecting the hydrogen and oxygen as they dissociate naturally, about an equilibrium reaction, and also biasing the equilibrium so more ions exist, and removing them to create a constant bias towards natural water dissociation.

Simple eh?