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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 12:22:05 pm »
Yes warp what we are trying to do here is to find the exact proportion of current to voltage i believe for some reasons accordingly with my calculations that we would need at least 10.000 volts per ampere or about 5 amps and 50kv. to be able to split the water by voltage field passing and not only the current passing thru it. I think stan holds true for now. He said clearly " i have to use about 5 amps big deal" I think he said this because this would be the responsible for dissipation within the coil. If he said 40 w he had probably 1,6 ohms of resistance counting water and wire resistance. because Watts=I^2*R

I reached 450 volts at 20 amps recirculating and huge production of h2 and water always remain cold because there is no over potential. However i'm going to try with hot water again to see how much the min voltage is lower. I read that electrolysis depends on temperature because part of the energy to break the bound is directly used from heat. So min voltage can be lower than faraday prediction because he considered clearly ambient temperature. If you go to 100° celsius thing get little different. Probably thats why stan used pressure. Pressure wont let the water to evaporate because the boiling point become higher than 100°.   

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 13:08:47 pm »
Also he said gave us the impedance of the resonant coil +-10 k ohms. 5 amps * 10.000 R = 50kv... He said about the stainless steel would be good for providing a good signal without much noise or something like that. because probably he used it as filter chokes to not allow the transformer to resonate.

try my calculations and observe the values of impedances when you change the component values then tell me if i don't seem to have found what was he talking about.

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 13:54:37 pm »
You can believe whatever you want thats your choice. However i'm asking for donation and that is not a scam i just need money to finish my research i lost my job and just can't stop now as you see i'm too close. I released an information that you and all the others even working for years with this technology always had under your nose and never checked it or never could understand it. However how much did you spent on your research? I already spent in the last almost 4 years about 15.000 euros on material not counting house rent food and bills because i passed almost all my time in this years working on this. So do you really think is insulting? I think that is just a possibility to have a kind of help to make me finish before i normally could with only my situation of money now. So good that you remembered me this. If any of you are interested in help in any way you can do a donation or buy from me pll units constructed by me. Or transformer, resonant inductors ... just to help my project. I know all of you have spent a lot of money and you know as i that 90% of that was completely useless, stainless steel wire and the like 300$... tomorrow i'm going to spent 200 euro only for an inductor and some wire to further tests... You see, why money is needed? do you understand now?

I think might not be a problem to put also here a link for the donations for those who can and want to help me: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=ERQSHHBGWC5P2&lc=GB&item_name=Bring%20power%20to%20the%20people&currency_code=EUR&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donateCC_LG_global%2egif%3aNonHosted


and i will leave here the link of the thread on energetic forum for those who want now to know everything i'm talking about before i can write it all again here. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html Take the time to read everything and please don't tell me without understanding that what i'm talking about is wrong or non related to meyers technology or high voltage no amps and the like because this is a signal that you have not read what i wrote, on the other thread i had this problem even on the 1° page. 
Of course i'm releasing more information here too. But is important for you if you want to understand you might read read and read i took many time to understand and i'm giving it to you already very digestible information but at least you must read as many times as you can. Like how i did all over my research to reach this point.

Hi Sebosfato,

Thank you for sharing these idea's and your schematic.
I had a good look at it and just 1 question came up.
You have in serie with the 2 tubes one capacitor, which you describe as one in the nano farad range.
Now you also explain that you have up to 20 amps running thru the tubes in a continues matter.
Meaning the 20amps should go thru that nano capacitor? Such a small cap cannot hold so much charge in my opinion.

Can you explain where and how you measure the 20amps?


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Steve






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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 14:25:54 pm »
Quote from SF on the energetic forum:

Do you remember guys when i talked about the infinity circuit on the stabley meyer explained thread that i said it should work with the same principle of the van de graff? I think i found the reason meyer used the positive electrode on the outside and why the cylindrical and bow configurations are preferred. You must see this video YouTube - Lec 8 | MIT 8.02 Electricity and Magnetism, Spring 2002 at 46 min and understand how a van the graff works to understand how the kinetic energy of the electrons repelling force is used to perform the electrolysis. I got up to 450 volts and about 5 amps here and a lot of gas being produced with the positive electrode being the outside one. I'm using about 70 watts from a 12v battery.


@SF
I love that professor. He is dutch, just like me. I can tell you guys out there. You never find a better professor then this dude! Go follow his leasons on youtube!

SF, you made a good point there. That is a very plausible explanation on why the positive must be on the outertube!

Thanks.

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 14:30:29 pm »
SF,

How many wraps do you have on the primary and secondairy of your transformer?

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 17:23:00 pm »
Ok
Steve is very nice that you are reading what i've written. Thanks. Ok the capacitor is in the nano faraday range and yes it can run up to 20 amps easily in the audio range actually i think is possible to also use only 5 amps the way i described with a very high Q and impedance matched. I bough one a 125pf capacitor vacuum which was rated almost 300 amps at 30mhz 55kv but it arrived broken just to demonstrate that the important is not only the value but also the frequency and voltage and in our case also the series and parallel resistances and dielectric losses come out into the moment of choosing the resonant capacitor. I'm using an mmc now because i don't have more money for capacitors right now. However every inductor i'm trying i'm trying with diferent configuration of capacitors to check the effect at different frequencies. The transformer i'm trying with many many many diferent turns configurations from primary 2 to 100 and secondary from 10 to 1000. However i'm having trouble with practical doing it because for my calculations on simulation holds true but practically is being hard to find a fit to all configuration. I make many taps and start trying and regulating the frequency to remain in resonance. I read the voltage and check witch tap is better. However i tried 32 awg for secondary and was very bad is better to use about 0,5mm or 0,8mm for the voltage inducement second my experiences.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2009, 04:23:18 am »
I know stan talked about his bifilar chokes and how wonder it can be but the only mention on real books to bifilar I have had is that is a way to wound toroidal transformers and it give you the same inductance but this kind of winding causes you to have lower capacitance because the leads are far from each other. It's generally used in high frequency transformers or inductors and this allow you to have a higher Q

Whenever you have your secondary connected to a diode to the ground in one of its sides you will have a reference so if you pulse it in one direction you will have negative voltage otherwise you will have positive. This is how ion generators work. However I'm not connecting the tank to the ground.

Bifilar is also known as two inductors wired in parallel. But I don't think stan did it that way because of the insulation needed between turns so. You can't have 40kv between two wires is impossible it will inevitably short.

If you think a bit stan said 200 turns for the resonant coil. Why 200? with 200 turns at 40kv you have 200v between each turn (reasonable value thinking about insulation)  He said 10kohms impedance so now you just need to find the right capacitor value to allow you to have a frequency where your inductance get around that. Check the calculations is not as hard as you might imagine.

Stanley described nysol insulation commonly used in litz wire for easy soldering.

I tried the ferrite toroidal core yesterday and found it to not work maybe because it saturated or maybe the losses are to much for that core. I'm rolling a very huge inductor with antenna ferrite cylindrical about 15 glued together  about 6 cm long. I'm using a litz wire i made with 0,8mm wire about 12 strands. about 30 meters of wire. 1,4kg I'm using mylar between layers to insulate and to reduce the capacitance and high voltage insulation tape to fix the sides. I have about 12 or 13 turns per layer. I made like this because i found that the inductance of this iron powder and ferrite for high frequency behaves almost like an air core. Because the shape of the inductor changes the inductance values even with the same number or turns in my case. So i'm doing it to as short as possible and as fat as possible.

And i'm going to try also the iron powder  toroid i got here but is quite small and i can't put many turns on it.
 
I would like to buy a E core that you can adjust the gap to control saturation. It costs a bit and my transformer manufacture "friend" that is already helping a lot can't give it to me for free for now.

He thinks is better to have less turns and higher permeability instead i have a strong believe from the test results and from myself that more turns and iron powder could be the solution.


You must understand that the movement of the current is independent of the direction of the turns i mean if you wrap a toroidal transformer you understand it. The current passing thru the wire pass in a circular motion thats why it induce current on the transformer. It don't flow from start to to end like would be more obvious. So it doesn't matter the direction of the wrap you can go and come back and go or wound always in one direction is your decision. Remember whenever you have the two leads close you have more interwinding capacitance Worst for high frequency.

http://www.beigebag.com/case_xfrmer_4.htm
http://powerelectronics.com/mag/power_why_air_gap/
http://electrical-riddles.com/topic.php?lang=en&cat=4&topic=189

 
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2009, 12:34:51 pm »
Thats very interesting Steve thanks. I'm going to check if the materials are available around here. Oh nice to know you are dutch forgot to say.

In this case i'm going to construct the coil former in a way that water remain inside this way i provide a water refrigeration of he coil. At the same time the heat is used on the process seems promising.

There is also an option to use SS rods. Or the rods used by welding.

Steve

Hi Steve can you explain how to me?  Any link to it or something about it?

Thanks

Nice reading on eddy currents loss on windings http://www.smps.us/magnetics.html