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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #216 on: December 27, 2009, 23:13:45 pm »
about as far as my last pic..  i have been busy this past month as well..  had to paint my car, go to tennessee and work up there for a week.. i got my project circuit boards in and i just need to run to radio shack and pic up a couple things to start on that circuit..  i think i will get started on it tommorrow...   

im curious to see a pic of the jig you come up with for winding.. still not sure how i want to approach.. when u say u are gonna do 50 loops, do u mean wind like kevin west or are you gonna do 50 laps?.

just wanna come up with a cofortable approach for getting it right the first time.

where did you buy the insulator paper and how much.. i need some.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #217 on: December 28, 2009, 04:22:29 am »
Blue insulation paper came from the motor repair shop, and the 30 gage wire, I just took their whole spool, I'll bring it back after I've used what I needed, and they'll charge me then. I also got the old coil winder machine from them, they had it on a back shelf, never used from when they got it.

Here is my jig, same idea as Kevins, adjusted to fit on this coil winder machine.

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I need to put a new power cord on the motor, the old one is all crusty and breaking apart, it runs off 12 volts. I am going to replace this next and then I should be almost ready to wind the coils...


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #218 on: December 28, 2009, 17:27:36 pm »
I have the blue insulation paper, I am going to put that in the stator.

I am also going to clean up and paint the whole alternator, just so busy with holiday stuff, it's hard to escape and do some work ;)

How are you coming on your alternator outlaw?

Steve! Build a RVIC! :D

Maybe i will... ;)
I still have 2 alternators here on stock, who like to be modified 8)

Steve

Ps.
Great quality pictures, Donald!

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #219 on: December 29, 2009, 03:47:45 am »
ok so two of of the three wires are wound together , while the other is wound seperatly for each phase..  im not sure if we discussed this or not, when winding 2 together this is simpley just winding on the coil machine from 2 spools  lets say your 50 loops per coil having a 100 for the bifilar's total and 50 for the secondary giving 300 per window... second perspective is which goes in the windows first the 100 loop set  bifilars or the secondary? my opinion is the bifilar would be first and the secondary be second. this would put the secondary closer to the stator giving it more interaction  compared to the bilf coils.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #220 on: December 29, 2009, 03:56:06 am »
yes

I am thinking of putting the bifilars in second so they are closer to the rotor, just like in the VIC coil the chokes are closest to the center of the coil.

Not sure if this really maters either way.

If you are using 27 gage then you will have to figure out your turns, a bit less than 50.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #221 on: December 29, 2009, 05:00:21 am »
May be off topic but what the heck.  Here's JLNaudin's replication of Steorn magnetic motor: http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm .  Maybe this is what Stan was talking about regarding wrapping longitudinally a primary.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #222 on: December 29, 2009, 05:51:50 am »
the way i visualize stans desciption for the longitudinal wind on 6-1 which doesnt pertain to the rotary version....  if you can imagine a standard poker playing card.. lets say the ace of spades...  take that structure (playing card is 2 demensional) and wind it in one direction as if it were an inductor... you are technically winding on a 2-d plane... ok we will say we wound it horizontal from the bottom of the card to the top.. now if you were to wrap that card or shall i say bend that card around the 6-1 bobbin then slide secondarys outter tube over it to where the primary winds are parallel with the core... for the primary wind to be parallel with the core it is  linear with north and south i can see different type of inductance... imagine that wound playing card once more... the winds are bidirectional and layered just as stated in the memo under 6-1'a winding description.. since evertime the wire folds during winding on a 2-d structure its a bi direction due to current traveling both ways like a winding river..  now think on the inductance... we know how to calculate wind ratios due to the count of winds around a core for primarys and secondarys..   well if you wind a primary in that manner for 6-1 then all them winds only make one wind around the core!!!  what does that mean when it come to the ratio between it and the bifs and sec windings... what are the step up capabilities if the secondarys is wound 5000 times and the primarys makes only one wind around the core???  can we direct this to another thread for disscusion?

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #223 on: December 29, 2009, 06:15:27 am »
There is lots of stuff to discuss about the RVIC here if you wish to jump into that ;)


Ok, coil winder is ready to go! I did a test coil of 50 winds.  I will start winding my coils tomorrow, and then get them in the stator.

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