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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #200 on: December 24, 2009, 16:48:32 pm »
Donald,that set up would be alot like Lawtons method when he uses the alternator.He doesn't use the center tap ground of the three phases.He uses two diodes,one as a blocking and the other as an isolator.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #201 on: December 24, 2009, 23:46:17 pm »
so when current is pumping away from  the diodes you will be removing electrons from the tube cell then when current flops you are pushing them out of the isolation diode to ground... you would think this would limit current in the ac oscillation going on in the primary since the electron that are coming into the circuit are leaving on the same end they came in on during 180 out..

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #202 on: December 25, 2009, 01:50:51 am »
I'm not familiar with dave lawtons alternator, maybe i will look into it, dave might have had some insights into stans work that others have missed, or maybe dave missed some things himself.


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #203 on: December 25, 2009, 02:16:58 am »
Here is daves alternator schematic, from the back of the tech brief, I don't know if there is another one, or more information on his alternator, i quickly looked for a video of his alternator running the cell, but did not find it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture23-1.png)

The second paragraph, they refer to stan drawing the negative connections like that, and I have never seen stan do such a thing, so why they say this, is beyond me. There is no ground in their circuit for the cell, and stan always has his circuit to the cell grounded in one way or another, and like we see directly above, each tube has two grounds.

It is noted that dave didn't get any better performance out of his alternator than he did with straight pulsing, so i can conclude that dave's alternator was not the magic we are looking for.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #204 on: December 25, 2009, 04:19:20 am »
If all Stan's grounds in Figure 5 were connected to each other then it would look similar to Dave's picture above, and based on the labels in Figure 5 and the other information in the patent, it is labeled "20", which is the only label given to his grounds, so they may all be common ground/connection.

Now the question is, are they 'just' all connected to each other? or
Are they grounded to an actual ground somewhere?
Maybe it doesn't matter?

Dave doesn't show Stan's amp inhibitor resistor, or his tuning resistor, and this is supposed to be a key part of the set up as described in the patent.

We know that the amp inhibitor resistor was replaced by the bifilar chokes, so in either Figure 5 of Dave's circuit, you could put the chokes in the appropriate location.

Of course i'll be winding my chokes inside the alternator... I may try a few other things like this with my standard Delco alternator.

Also, a detailed reading of the patent suggests to me that Stan was only pulsing the alternator for gating, while Dave was pulsing it with a high frequency as well as a gating frequency. Only pulsing it for gating solves the issue of pulsing the rotor at a frequency higher than the normal output frequency due to the rpms.

If you pulse it faster than it's normal output frequency then you are chopping it up, and that would be messy, which is why It never sat well with me to pulse the alternator... however tests will be done... maybe the RVIC has a frequency that it likes more than others and gives better production.

Stan also talks a lot about the resonant cavity phenomenon, where the pulsing matches the wavelength to the spacing of the tubes and so on. So if you can get this effect with the gating, then all the clues add up, however you need extremely uniform spacing on all your tubes! especially if they are in an array.


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #205 on: December 25, 2009, 05:10:47 am »
Another thought

As Dave's circuit is, with the blue, for the negative connection, you will have a 3 phase negative voltage waveform sent to the negative plate.

As Stan's Circuit is, with the grounds, you will not have a negative voltage applied at all.

Both with a single phase positive voltage to the positive plate.

I think there is a significant difference, which one is best is due for testing.

If you grounded Dave's blue wire, you would eliminate the negative pulsing to the negative plate. But he still doesn't have the amp inhibitor.

As mentioned before, you can not use 3 phase chokes, they will be smoked (unless sufficiently pulsed), you can use single phase chokes (chokes for each phase), either inside or outside the alternator.


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #206 on: December 25, 2009, 06:02:05 am »
This patent was filed in 1985 - 03 - 25. (and not granted until 1989 - 01 - 17)

Stan definitely had the resonant charging chokes figured out several years before filing this. These were either old designs, or he decided to leave the chokes out of the patent.

However, he does talk about the special amp inhibitor resistor, so that would indicate that this is his older designs, and he filed the patent years after moving on in his development with chokes.

Seeing how his patents took 2-3-4 years to get granted, it's understandable to see how he shuffled certain patents around or delayed some, and filed at different times. Can you imagine waiting 4 years with the patent office dicking you around?

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #207 on: December 25, 2009, 14:12:19 pm »
Could the function of RCC2 be to negate lenz law in RCC1?

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