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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #152 on: November 09, 2009, 15:11:28 pm »
here is a pic i made to help understand the board for those who dont quiet get it yet..
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« Reply #153 on: November 13, 2009, 06:01:07 am »
Thanks outlaw, I am glad to see you working on this! and all the others, the renewed interest in the Rotary VIC is awesome.

Everyone:

I want to take a moment to point out again, as I already have in this topic, that the RVIC was used to power the dune buggy,

First with the Demo cell to idle it: Listen carefully to every word he says in this video.
Second, in this video, he uses it with a different cell, a much larger tube cell,


This tube cell, called his boiler plate configuration, has been used in the filing and validation of his patents, so we need to read and understand the early patents in the context of this cell.

I think this cell uses 24 inch long tubes, and a large number of them, all powered by this RVIC, so math and testing would have to be done to see what size of cell, with what number of tubes would be suitable for what ever engine you have in mind, it would be easier to start with a 4 cylinder than an 8 cylinder, and i will be using carburetors rather than fuel injection, you need to use the exhaust gasses to modulate the system, so a second carburetor just for exhaust gasses could be used, attached to a modified manifold, there are other ways to do this, but i think it would be easy to control this way.

I'd like to shift the discussion in the general direction from the RVIC, to understanding the whole system it is used in, because we have learned a lot about the RVIC and have a handful of people starting to build it... we can now move the discussion and learning, and research, and focus onto the rest of the system. We know the RVIC can run a 50 hp 4 cylinder, so we need to sort out some of those details.

We know he used the RVIC powered by a constant speed motor, the drive motor needs 60 Hz ac, so he has a rediline rotary converter to provide that - running off of the battery, and we can see he still has a normal alternator on the dune buggy to charge the battery.

This is not a resonant cell, not extremely high voltage, so cell size should be able to be increased without worrying about capacitance and frequency. Variable drive motor speed is something that could be looked into - after analyzing the RVIC with a scope, and looking at the cell configuration, you could do some math to see if adjusting the drive rpm would change the output frequency in any beneficial way, if not, forget about it! otherwise, VFD!

There is no indication of the Electrical Particle Generator on the boiler plate configuration - but there might be - there is one used with the idling with the demo cell. Note the Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator patent.

Other considerations are, throttle/gas production control, he uses contact switches to turn off and on a number of tubes to control the production, this is a "step function" control, like shifting gears in a transmission. in between this control is variable voltage. I imagine an automatic pressure release valve, set at say, 15-20 psi, with a tube to direct released gasses vertically above and away from the vehicle, with quenching nozzle, would prove extremely useful for safety considerations.

I know you all want a water powered car, lets figure it out. Stan did this first, it worked. Resonant cells can come later :)

Don, have you by any chance seen the boiler plate cell or any of it's controls or components?

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #154 on: November 13, 2009, 21:23:02 pm »
Donald,that cell in the video is the demo cell he used in the patent office.It's the only one he had.As for the alternator,it's not the RVIC one.This one doesn't have all the chokes in it.This one is just the stock unmodified,and unregulated one that is shown in the Photo Exhibit 11b: Rotory Pulse Voltage Frequency  Control Unit.It would be the same one from the video It Runs on Water.
Stan states in the video that it's the same unit shown at the patent office.And yes I have seen both demo cells and the controllers.
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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2009, 21:54:14 pm »
Donald,that cell in the video is the demo cell he used in the patent office.It's the only one he had.As for the alternator,it's not the RVIC one.This one doesn't have all the chokes in it.This one is just the stock unmodified,and unregulated one that is shown in the Photo Exhibit 11b: Rotory Pulse Voltage Frequency  Control Unit.It would be the same one from the video It Runs on Water.
Stan states in the video that it's the same unit shown at the patent office.And yes I have seen both demo cells and the controllers.
Don

Don,

What kind of cell did Stan run on a modified alternator?
With modified alternator, i mean the one that has 3 stator wires with bif coils in serie.
Can you make a drawing on how the wires are mounted? Just a schematic would be helpfull.
I have here some alternators on the shelf, ready to make a good attemp to copy SM.
Give me a week and i have rewinded one....

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« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2009, 00:17:00 am »
Steve,I have never seen the RVIC used with anything.I'm not even sure what it was intended for.The alternator used on the demo cell is shown in the International test and evaluation report.In there you will see how it was hooked up.It has just three diodes.All it does is apply 120 hz to the stator at whatever voltage you set by the vari-ac.5 volts @ 2 amps like the video.That 120 hz is the unipoler pulses that excite the stator and creates the same pulses out to the cell.

Everything I have seen of Stans equipment first hand,has been exactly as he wrote in all of his papers.I have never seen anything different than he states.So it seems that he has told us no lies.He put it all down in writting.We just can't see the forrest through the trees, so to speek.
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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2009, 02:32:02 am »
donald,

if you look in the tech the diagrams for this setup is under section 8 "voltage wave guides"
from what i see this set up is working toward achieiving a cell with resonant action unlike the international patent.. to me it seems this may be a injector design made for injected water bath.. im also noticing this section is where it speaks of the choke being wound with 11.6 k of stainless so im woundering if these choke windings are supposed to be stainless??? we are on the right path for producing higher yields i think this is alternator version of 6-1..

Universal Energy Priming Stage (500) (particle oscillation as a energy generator
by deflecting atomic particles under changing electrical stress); Liquid to Gas Ionization Stage (230)(ejecting electrons from the atomic structure under divergent electrical stress); and Thermal Gas Triggering Stage (E9d) (gas igniting the electrically stress combustible gas atoms farthest from the state of electrical equilibrium) ... triggering Hydrogen Fracturing Process (90) (subcritical-state combustible gases being spark-ignited under Electrical Resonance of Stress).

Voltage Tickling of State Space under "Resonant Electrical Stress" without amp influxing
while ''Tuning-~'' to the dielectric properties of water is herein referred to in this WFC Tech-manual as "Resonant Action," as illustrated graphically in Figure (5-4 A,B,C) as to Resonant Cavity (170) of Figure (3-25) as to Figure (1-13

Thereby, preventing coil-ringing during each pulse off-time ...
allowing Electron Bounce Phenomenon to occur without amp influxing within VIC Matrix
Circuit  of Figure (7-8) as so governed by Circuit Resistance Equations (Eq. 9) which, in
activated electrical-state, allows positive Voltage Pulse-Wave (583) to be duplicated in succession to form Voltage Pulse Train , as illustrated in (770) of Figure (8-1). Opposite negative Voltage Pulse Train  is similarly formed since "Electron ClusteringEffect" of Figure (7-9) produces a "Negative Electrical Voltage Intensity  in equalmagnitude to the "Positive Electrical Voltage Intensity  during each/repetitious magnetic pulse cycle. Remember, Secondary Voltage pickup coil (52) of Figure (7-8) displaces and separates Resonant Charging Chokes (56/62) on opposite end of said Secondary Pickup Coil (52).

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2009, 10:55:11 am »
Steve,I have never seen the RVIC used with anything.I'm not even sure what it was intended for.The alternator used on the demo cell is shown in the International test and evaluation report.In there you will see how it was hooked up.It has just three diodes.All it does is apply 120 hz to the stator at whatever voltage you set by the vari-ac.5 volts @ 2 amps like the video.That 120 hz is the unipoler pulses that excite the stator and creates the same pulses out to the cell.

Everything I have seen of Stans equipment first hand,has been exactly as he wrote in all of his papers.I have never seen anything different than he states.So it seems that he has told us no lies.He put it all down in writting.We just can't see the forrest through the trees, so to speek.
Don

Don,

Can you descripe for us all used methodes of Stan?
I think he used like 4 different ones....
When we all agree here about the methodes used by Stan, i will change the forum a little bit.
My suggestion is to start new topics for each of Stans methode and start the new topics with a nice drawing of all components used.
Then we can go from there.

What do you think?

Steve







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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2009, 20:32:01 pm »
Donald,that cell in the video is the demo cell he used in the patent office.It's the only one he had.As for the alternator,it's not the RVIC one.This one doesn't have all the chokes in it.This one is just the stock unmodified,and unregulated one that is shown in the Photo Exhibit 11b: Rotory Pulse Voltage Frequency  Control Unit.It would be the same one from the video It Runs on Water.
Stan states in the video that it's the same unit shown at the patent office.And yes I have seen both demo cells and the controllers.
Don

Don, I agree it's the same demo cell, in the video "it runs on water" and the international report, he shows the Delco Remy, but in the dune buggy video when he idles it for the first time, and in the 1984 news release it is clearly the ford/motorcraft RVIC, the same that is shown in the picture you posted on page 7, Photo Exhibit 11C1. This is also the same alternator he used in the TV news report with the boiler plate configuration, if you look closely. Here is a screenshot from the above video.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/BoilerplateRVIC1.jpg)


We have very little info on the boiler plate cell, here are some more clips from the above video.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Boilerplate1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Boilerplate2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Boilerplate3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Boilerplate4.jpg)

I was wondering if you have seen this cell, or it's control box, or any other details related to it.

I would not be so interested in the RVIC alternator if I didn't believe it could run a car.