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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #128 on: October 28, 2009, 02:35:08 am »
Looks like string, (black machinist string), looks like it is "daisy chained" around the loops, i assume to hold the wires nice and neat. I don't know if he had his sealed in varnish or not, but i'll have mine properly sealed and baked.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2009, 02:44:41 am »
I betchya those are the chokes! Non-inductively wound I might add... Reminds me of a caduceus coil winding.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #130 on: October 28, 2009, 04:40:34 am »
The chokes are would bifilar in the stator.

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #131 on: October 28, 2009, 05:56:00 am »
That's what a "Tensor" or "Caduceus" coil looks like, or, at least one way... From what I can see, it is wound on the stator core along with the 3 phase windings. Even the drawings you had posted earlier show non-inductive coil windings for the "Resonant Chokes". A "Non-Inductive" wound coil, also called a "Series Bifilar" is pretty much the same thing as a "Tensor" or "Caduceus" coil. I have rebuilt a few alternators in the past and I have never seen a winding with anything like that.
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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #132 on: October 28, 2009, 23:53:37 pm »
You are misunderstanding Stan's Rotary VIC, and I can't help but say your suggested coil configuration is wrong for this application, so I will merely advise that you review the information in this topic, for it is all outlined clearly, and if you have any points that need to be clarified I will do my best to help you understand.

The simple facts that your suggestion violates are these:
All magnetic fields of the coils are additive, it is the magnetic field that is used to restrict the amps, non-inductive coils would be useless
The chokes are wound bifilar, meaning "two wires right next to each other", but the chokes are NOT in series with each other, there are extremely important components in between!
There are three inductors per phase connected in series, a secondary with the two chokes on the ends

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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #133 on: October 29, 2009, 00:36:53 am »
You may be right, I may be way out there on this. I was not suggesting any coil configuration other than what the wire is wrapped around the main 3 phases. From experience, I will say that there is no need for a string wrapping to keep the coils all nicely together. The wire is usually stiff enough to hold the form you mold it to. That wire is wrapped around the stator for a reason, in my opinion. I will refrain from mentioning it any longer, for, I have made my point clearly and to carry on would be rude. This is a great thread! Thank you for all the great info!


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #134 on: October 29, 2009, 03:16:21 am »
im gonna go ahead and bring up a perspective im not sure if it has been spoken about.  the alternator is labeled as a ac generator..  so we all comprehend that is is floping curent on a 50 percent duty due to is geometrical configurations of rotor poles and stator windings.. but ask yourself this question.. what are the difference  in the effects at both ends of 1 stator..  really think on this because i belevie it plays a big role in wiring the alternator correctly..

the north pole passing over a stator winding creates a pull on the electron, while the negative pole on the stator will cause a push.. understanding this you can visualize a alternator as a pump. think about how a diode will have a different effect on opposite ends due to the fact that the one direction rotor is trying to pump them... i really think he used a alternator with somewhere around 27 gauge on the stators i do not think his chokes were incorporated into the alternator...

stan said he uses the water for the resistance in the circuit.. imagine only supplying a bifilar choke with positive pulses only from the alternator... imagine the negative side hooked to ground... the alternator acts as a pump right?  every time  the choke is hit with a positive suck the electrons from the choke and sends them to ground when negative hits the stator it is then pushing them... would the alternator not experience some tye of load due to this arangment.??

must remember that positive rotor pulls electrons negative pushes. one way rotation means dominant direction for current..  i would think you would want dominant direction  to be opposite of positive choke...


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Re: Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator Assembly
« Reply #135 on: October 29, 2009, 15:58:28 pm »
Wow some of this posting is going all over the place.

The meyer photo I see a alternator, there's a couple pictures posted are they of a real meyer alternator insides.

In the Meyer photo there is what resembles maybe a old PWM and it has a protruding part that what, maybe is a large capacitor (I don't know just guessing).

Now I have seen alternator winds come on the stator from the manufacturer or winder looped all the way around then back again as the same wire.
This seemed interesting to me and its a normally used winding on a high current alternator then connected in Delta. personally I have not seen this connected in wye but I don't know why not.

Really the bottom line is to have a wind done up as in the Meyer prints.
The mosy interesting being 3 coils in series per phase as suggest earlier.
The other interesting is the 3 coils but center tapped middle coil, this interests me and can be done or wound 2 ways.
Either way you look at it there will be a bifilar wind and a center coil wind per each phase.
I think with the interested people we have here there will be a few different try's at this, and hopefully we will all publish our experiments and learn.

What seems interesting is the electronic circuit Meyer is using and it appears to have a capacitor in there, will we ever get that right as the PWM and components are needed to perfect the meyer method.

Hope we get some of this figured out and it would be neat if someone maybe DynoDon to post a picture of it if he actually ever saw this early alternator and power supply.

That would be GREAT!