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##### Pulsed signal 60% more effective then strait DC
« on: September 13, 2009, 17:22:08 pm »
Hi folks,

As result of the negative " resonance" spike that i found
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1172.msg12319/topicseen.html#msg12319)
i continued with my coil collection, to see how to harvest that spike and re-use it in the proces.

Here are the numbers:
Reference point, strait DC with cell : 0.50Amp x 1.79V=0.895Watts

Coilsetup:
Circuit with coil and cell = 2,4vr x 0.29amp= 0.695Watts = totall consumed power of the circuit with cell.
Measured what is going into cell (after the coil)= 1.79v x 0.50amp=0.895Watts

Thats 28% less power in then with strait DC but still same volts and amps entering the cell.

Coil = big toroid
Frequency= 640hz
Mark= 60%
Space= 40%

I re-ran this test more then 4 times. Always the same conclusion.

Steve
« Last Edit: September 15, 2009, 23:16:16 pm by Steve »

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 18:18:44 pm »
Stevie , that picture you showed is a classic curve , I can show you the same exact curve with this 2n4401 ,  nothing but a saturated transistor that has problems getting unsaturated .  Your transistor is probably dissipating that missing power . This is due to excessive base current and too large a storage time

Nothing special here Stevie ...

http://home.mira.net/~gnb/audio/bakerclamp.html

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 18:50:59 pm »
Stevie , that picture you showed is a classic curve , I can show you the same exact curve with this 2n4401 ,  nothing but a saturated transistor that has problems getting unsaturated .  Your transistor is probably dissipating that missing power . This is due to excessive base current and too large a storage time

Nothing special here Stevie ...

http://home.mira.net/~gnb/audio/bakerclamp.html

What does that have to do with my claim here?

Steve

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 18:52:06 pm »
My question to you all:

Where does this extra power come from?
Coil? Water? tubes?

Steve

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 19:35:28 pm »
There is no extra power , only lower power dissipated in your cell because your switching device is now acting as a resistor .

It has to do with the way you are pulsing is total crap .

Do a google search for a purpously made "mosfet driver" , then buy a power mofset .

Make sure the mosfet driver is compatible with your pulsing logic level .

Make sure to keep the leads very short , and put a bypass capacitor , as shown in the datasheet of the mosfet driver .

« Last Edit: September 13, 2009, 20:55:05 pm by Dankie »

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 23:01:19 pm »
There is no extra power , only lower power dissipated in your cell because your switching device is now acting as a resistor .

It has to do with the way you are pulsing is total crap .

Do a google search for a purpously made "mosfet driver" , then buy a power mofset .

Make sure the mosfet driver is compatible with your pulsing logic level .

Make sure to keep the leads very short , and put a bypass capacitor , as shown in the datasheet of the mosfet driver .

Dankie,

I see that i didnt wrote well down on whats happening here, so i modified the first post for better understanding.
Please read my first post and data again.

Reference =strait dc. No transistors are used there. Amps in are 0.50
With the circuit, there are still 0.50 amps flowing thru my cell.
However, input power is 28% lower.
If my cell saw a higher resistance, amps would drop and to compensate that, you must raise voltage and totall wattage.
In my case i see the totall wattage go down and still having same voltage and amps on my cell.....

Dankie, i have fets here and fet drivers. For sure i do know how to build me a nice switching circuit. Results here have nothing to do with choice of transistor or Fet or IGBT.

Steve

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2009, 23:09:04 pm »
may be the cell is acting as a capacitor when charged with a pulse then when it is of it energizes your coil so nothing is wasted ,

the question is your cell producing the same amount of hho   .

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##### Re: Pulsed signal 30% more effective then strait DC
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2009, 23:13:27 pm »
may be the cell is acting as a capacitor when charged with a pulse then when it is of it energizes your coil so nothing is wasted ,

the question is your cell producing the same amount of hho   .

I havent measured that in detail, but on sight it looks the same.
But i will run the gas test this week.

Steve