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16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« on: December 17, 2007, 08:11:51 am »
Hi guys,

I have been experimenting on plate cells and choke for the pass few weeks.

Cell setup :
Number of plates : 16
Number of cell : 8
Plate gap : 1.2mm
Choke : Transformer primary (12V)

I will post the setup photos soon. Attached is the circuit I used in my experiment. As mentioned before I found that 100 turn choke gave better result compared to 200 turn choke. I did use bifilar choke previously but I find using single inductor after cell and before mosfet gave similar results or much better.

Firstly, I test with inductor with 800 turns. The best output amps is less than 0.5A at resonance. Then I test with 100 turns inductor I got higher output amps compare to input. Then I use factory wound transformer 12V (primary) I got much better results. Finally, the best results obtained using 6V primary transformer.

I hope this circuit can be tested and verified by someone and post the results.

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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 09:03:24 am »
that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?

stevie, you should have a look at this! great job, i can say i like this!

kurman, how much trouble would it be for you to download msn?

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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 09:23:13 am »
Hi Hydrocars,

that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?

Glad to hear you like the circuit. The circuit is purely trial an error. I follow Bedini monopole SSG circuit and Steve's circuit. Modify the circuit a bit to suit electrolysis. Have you tested the circuit? I manage to get 3 times more amps using transformer (6V primary). Placing inductor in between battery and cell will not give any results. Inductor my be placed after cell and before mosfet (drain).

Hydrocars, I can't access many sites at my working place. I don't have internet access at home. If really need to contact me, PM me or just reply to this post.

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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2007, 09:39:29 am »
ahh, you might already know this but you're pulsing the inductor and the inductor is discharging threw the diode to the cell, this is "ideal", there is much that should be added to this circuit.

the reason this circuit works so well is because the inductor which acts as a spring "pushes" amps into the cell, where just connecting it to a battery would not.

this is a very good circuit, is there any way you can think to make 2 of these circuits in 1? just to see what that might do.

yes work is understood, i only sent a mail out because no activity was happening on the site at all, we have several members here and no one has made hardly any post.

there is more to come when things get up to par.

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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2007, 10:07:40 am »
Hi Hydrocars,

I forgot to mentioned about narrow gap plate cells when first time constructed. In newly constructed cell, bubbles tend to stick to plates. But after running the cell for sometime (few hours), the bubbles are free to flow out from the gap easily.

ahh, you might already know this but you're pulsing the inductor and the inductor is discharging threw the diode to the cell, this is "ideal", there is much that should be added to this circuit.

But the voltage across the cell is still less than 3V (still doesn't show OU). One think for sure, amps is the one does the work and not voltage (to my knowledge). If add more batteries in series, less input amps needed but output amps doubles or triples. I need you to try and verify the circuit.

this is a very good circuit, is there any way you can think to make 2 of these circuits in 1? just to see what that might do.

You mean full circuit including PWM, cell & choke?

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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2007, 11:13:17 am »
i can save you the trouble, if you could choose between 120 volts at 1 amp which is 120 watts, or 12 volts 10 amps wich is 120 watts, you would use the 12 volts 10 amps even though the power output is the same, amps does more work.

so you can choose 1 amps to get 120 watts using 120volts

or you can choose 10 amps to get 120 watts using 12 volts

even though the output is the same, you will get more hydrogen at lower volts more amps.

one thing i want to say is don't try to get overunity this soon as the definition for it is so complicated people get easily confused. when using a circuit you should not look for overunity even though we have circuits here that prove overunity. it is not important.

what is important is that you understand the reason you came into this hobby. when you understand this you will be somewhat pulled from the dark many is lost in.

i say use 3 coils, and pulse none at the same time. this can be very complicated but you will find it is well worth the complication.

the key goal here is to run a motor on hydrogen, allthough i don't see anything wrong with playing with circuits, the alternator is ready to be taken to the next level and that is to run a motor. i have said elsewhere that electronics is less important because we have the hydrogen we need to run a engine. but there is no need to stop on the circuits because of it.

there is many trying to get engines to run today that i know of, i have included tips to try and help out but was overlooked somewhat.

My attitude is, there is only 1 way to do this, and that is do it.

i can understand your concern with the time you have to get things done. if you and stevie could get together you would make one hell of a team! stevie i think you guy's could help each other out alot! i say this because stevie knows what to do, and i feel kurman knows how to do it.
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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2007, 17:09:28 pm »
that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?

stevie, you should have a look at this! great job, i can say i like this!

kurman, how much trouble would it be for you to download msn?


Yes, Kumaran is making progres. Nice to see!

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Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 17:23:26 pm »
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But the voltage across the cell is still less than 3V (still doesn't show OU). One think for sure, amps is the one does the work and not voltage (to my knowledge). If add more batteries in series, less input amps needed but output amps doubles or triples. I need you to try and verify the circuit.

You mean full circuit including PWM, cell & choke?

Kumaran, I think the 3V is very nice to have, because the cell will get hotter with higher volts.
What the circuit concerns, Hydro is talking about a new 3 phase pwm and chokes. That connected to one cell.
I am bussy making a drawing, but I cannot find a normal drawing software with normal ic pictures.

What you made is where I and Hydro are discussing about for a while by msn now.
We wanna pusch amps into the cell to. Just like you did in above schematic.
So, if you use 3 pwm's. Every pwm is 120 degrees out of phase. You get a 360 degree phaseshift, just like the alternator.
If you end up with pulsing 3 coils, you have an optimum result.

As soon as I have the schematic finished, I will send it to you.

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