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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2009, 00:22:38 am »
HMMM...what's the name of this site again? ??? IONIZATIONx.com? ???

YET NONE OF YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IONS....and, yet you claim I have no scientific objectivity....IGNORANT assumption. I have used MANY fields to UNIFY Meyer's system and explain it completely....u sir...need not address me because I have NO INTEREST IN ANYTHING YOU SAY....I will not state the obvious in this circumstance...if anyone finds any shred of ANYTHING in what you say...they deserve to believe u.

Original reply deleted in the spirit of Steve's last post.

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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2009, 00:31:27 am »
Gentleman,
 
Please keep focus here.
Stop arguing on who is right and who is retarded.
At the end, we all want the same, is it.
Aussepom build a nice device. Lets learn from that. Not important if he was inspired by Stan or not. Fact is that he build a working device that works in a specific way with specific results.
Please try to make similair devices.
Maybe it really creates enough power to push a piston down, in stead of burning the piston into pieces.... ;)
 
Aussepom: Great work. We hope to hear soon more from you with more details.
 
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If the gas is actually  atomic hydrogen then the flame temperature should be around 4,000 degrees C.   and could be be even hotter at the point of recombination. It should be able to melt tungsten , which  has a melting point of about 3400 C.

If if can't melt tungsten then it is probably  not atomic hydrogen. A  diatomic hydrogen flame with oxygen  (3000 C) will not melt  tungsten. 

But even at 3000 C it will boil aluminum and melt steel.  So it would be a challenge to use in a normal piston engine.  Ceramic pistons maybe ?

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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2009, 09:43:26 am »
Master Meyer, shows us the combination of the air ionizer, the exhaust gasses and the injector all together.
 
So, maybe...when you have a flame like Aussepom have and you let it work in a compressed gas environment which all those different components....
 
Lots of work to do, do we...
 
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2009, 12:41:39 pm »
I argue for only one reason...not because it proves Stan Meyer right, and in turn myself for understand it...I argue because the accepted science supports every single claim of Meyer's system. The fact is that there is a state of Hydrogen that when "bumped down" in "net" energy level...(ie siphoning an outer electron charge) shrinks back down to a stable molecular state. Stan's lasers, bifilar chokes, and EEC all re-create the events in an arc....but, with out the dead short condition that creates max amp inflow. It is crucial we see the stages in Meyer's system....first Gas production for example, efficient resonant pulsed electrolysis, various Hydrides (salts/metal salts that when heated release hydrogen), or straight DC electrolysis...second is ionization of those gasses (Many ways to ionize a medium, with UV bombardment being on of the most efficient)...then is triggering stage, which is removing the surplus energy allowing single atom Hydrogen to be stable (an extra "stabilizing" electron)...this removal of an electron triggers the atom(s) to "time-share" the orbits of each of 2 Hydrogen atoms' electrons...this "emulates" a full valence shell (where 1st shell needs 2 electrons)

The new "molecule" of hydrogen has a "tighter" orbit of electrons, the result is the "unit" of hydrogen is more massive but, smaller...this shrinking action results in friction...which creates intense heat.
Like Steve said...the third hottest flame known to man (atomic hydrogen is that hot!!) can more then easily super heat compressed gasses (non combustible gasses...aka air)....after all, all ICEs are heat exchangers using the expanse of an explosion to move the cylinder down.

Again, I have no hard feelings...it's just that I believe what I believe because it has become obvious to me...which took my entire life's experience to get...things I have read in Discover magazine (Plasmonics) right after I had spent weeks on patent research of Stan and Tesla., orhaving studied Stan much more making the connection between the Outer Ionoshpere and Stan's work....(Light and other high speed particles ionize atmoshperic gasses)...ie Stan's laser(s) (certain infrared LEDs...and Stan's  UV "hydrogen "E"-aser)

Anyway...it's a conviction of mine to set certain misconceptions straight....I apologize for what may seem "confrontational"...I mean no disrespect to anyone.




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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2009, 13:07:06 pm »
E-aser, didnt see that one without the dash, it really acts like a laser according to the descrption, another +1 for meyer.

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all re-create the events in an arc....but, with out the dead short condition that creates max amp inflow.
So the conditions for an arc must be estabilished, but it may not arc over, how do you think this is accomplished?
I think that all energy must be 'absorbed' by the chokes while creating a static HV on the output terminal.

actually the conditions are recreated for a stream discharge, or corona, which can easly be done with a heavily insulated 10kohm coil.
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2009, 14:59:17 pm »
@Aussepom

so whats the output of this plasma cutter.. most i have ever seen use 20 amps up to like 80.. they use a arc to produce current in return heat then it uses the air to catalize the molten metal.. they create cleaner cuts then a acetlyne torch.. and  use no fuel but electric.

so my question is, is this a form of regular electrolysis at high out put hitting a small cell??? is there heat build up in the cell? im sure you may get similar effect with standard electroloysis???

if the cell remains cool or just mildly warm
have you taken readings of you plasma cutters output? or read the amps running threw the ground cable?

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2009, 15:12:44 pm »
here are the spec to a average low end brand name plasma cutter, this is a 27 amp they go up to 80 in standard single phase...

it says its output is 27 amps at 92 volts max @ 35 percent duty..
you said you made some safety adjustments to your unit.. i can see bypassing the saftey features to make it run in conditions it usualy will not allow it self to..  like the torch has a trigger and if you pull the trigger while its not close enough to the material being cut it will cut off the torch in like 3 seconds..
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  • Quality: 1/2 in (13 mm)
  • Sever: 5/8 in (16 mm)
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  • 115 - 230 V 1 Phase
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    « Reply #23 on: July 16, 2009, 19:01:53 pm »
    @Alan
    I believe that the choke coils play the biggest part here. The two windings create a magnetic lag between each other...the magnetism fills up around the coil/core, and since amperage has a definite charge, it is affected by the fields.
    So, even though the conditions to arc over are reached...the choke coils hold back the majority of amps...so amps don't flow, yet the gas is ionized.