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« Reply #88 on: July 10, 2009, 12:03:12 pm »

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« Reply #89 on: July 10, 2009, 13:30:46 pm »
Ravi is now commenting on my idea about vibrations(he got COP 5.4 from his cell):


Thats an interesting point about the vibrations increasing the efficiency of gas generation in tap water.. coming to think of it I used soft foam as spacers in between the tubes. So this could probably be one of the reasons for the higher efficiency in my unit.


..well before I shelved my WFC  R&D I was looking into using ultrasonic transducers connected directly on to the tubes but this would create a lot of other headaches which need to be sorted out and they can be ...but I thought it would have to work as the bubbles would be shaken off the surface of the tubes much earlier than normal and this exposes more amount of the surface to come in direct contact with water for the same amount of time increasing the efficiency of the cell.


Ultrasonic Transducers integration is one direction which needs to be looked into to increase the efficiencies. We would have to have a lot of electronics to control the vibration frequencies.. for some idea on how this can be done check the following patent..


http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4063542.PN.&OS=PN/4063542&RS=PN/4063542


click on the images tab in at the top of the above page to see the pics of the apparatus.

R.


Well, THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD...... The confirmations are too many that it is a hasard. Next week I have arranged for longer pipes(400 and 460 mm) and thinner(1 mm and 1.5 mm). Let´s see what it can give us, and then a coating.





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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #90 on: July 10, 2009, 15:33:52 pm »
Another comment I have here is that you could get the bubbles off the walls by using a water pump pushing water through the cell gap continuosly. But then the water pump input must be less than the gain of this method.

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« Reply #91 on: July 10, 2009, 21:17:10 pm »
This discussion led me to read the EPO Patent Application more carefully.  I never really bothered with this one becasue it was "old"  and no actual patent was ever issued that I can tell.

In Meyer's  EP0 103656 Patent Application,  Meyer explains what he means by resonance and resonant cavity.  Meyer says:

         "The spacing between the plates comprises a resonant cavity to a particular frequency. The direct current voltage is pulsed at a
          repetition rate that matches the frequency of the resonant cavity." 

In this same document Meyer goes on to say:

           "It has been found that the distance between the plates of the exciters will have,  or can be adjusted to have, a wavelength, or
           partial wavelength, or multiple wavelength related to the motion of the water molecule in traveling from one plate to the other."

And in refering to the spherical plate device:

          "...the distance from the outer surface of the central element to the inner surface of the outer spherical element will be at some
            wavelength to the molecular motion of travel. When the wavelength is matched with a physical force equal in frequency to that
            wavelength, the inner area becomes a resonant cavity and the water molecule will forcefully be driven repeatedly."

Meyer uses the term "physical force equal in frequency".  I take this to mean the motion/inertia  of the water molecule and not the pulsed DC, as that would be an electrical force. Meyer goes on to say that coaxial tubes work in the same manner as the spherical design.

So when we take Meyer literally, the resonant cavity is not the tube itself but the space between the 2 tubes.  Therefore,  the "wavelength"  and the related resonant frequency of the cavity , is a function of the distance betweeen the tubes and not the resonant frequency of the tube itself (as if it were an organ pipe).  It is not likely that the wavelength of the acoustic resonant frequency of the tubes will be the same as the wavelength of the distance between the tubes.

Does anyone see where I am going with this ?

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #92 on: July 10, 2009, 22:59:23 pm »
@Goeytex

Yes, I follow you. Harmonics are the key.

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« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2009, 00:56:24 am »
Well I will be working with plates for starters .

I think Stephen Meyers said something about why he loved the adjustable plate so much .

His interview has really inspired me , he seems to say that his setup is more advanced and rafined as well .

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« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2009, 01:19:08 am »
stephen meyers seemed to like the way you could see ribbons of gas production between the gap.. must be the ribbon formation in production that was fascinating?

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« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2009, 03:31:05 am »
Yeah well that was a bit fascinating . Not much on the technical side but revealing none the less about the anamalous nature of his process .

He said more interresting technical clues .