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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2009, 13:29:04 pm »
Question,

Why did Meyer dedicate page upon page of technical data, formulas. etc  on LC resonance and almost nothing on acoustical resonance? 

Is it possible or even likely that Meyer did not understand his own process? 

If I were to really attempt to prove or disprove  the value of acoustic resonance in a tube cell, here's what I would do. 

First pick a frequency, let's say 4 kilohertz.  Then cut a  center tube that resonates at exactly 4 Khz when tapped.  Then cut an outer tube of a proper length to match the center tube.  Next cut a slot or slots in the outer  tube  until it also resonates at precisely 4 Khz.   Get a magnetic or piezo  buzzer that  operates at the same frequency ( 4Khz is common).   

Mount the tubes loosely or suspended so they are free to vibrate.
Mount the buzzer somewhere so that it induces oscillations.. 
Get some earplugs then   Pulse the cell at 4 KHz and turn on the buzzer.

A submersible transducer/buzzer may work better than what I showed in the drawing. 

See attached conceptual drawing.   
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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2009, 15:22:36 pm »
why didn't stan talk about acoustic tuning, it may be that he did, just in a different context

we should start reading and listening to what he says in this new light to see what relations we can come up with

he says the bubbles traveling through the tubes will change the resonant frequency, we think sure that's because of the dielectric effect, but maybe that was more related to the variation in the medium in which the vibrations are being sent through, they will vibrate different in air and water, so gas going through will change the vibrational resonant frequency

he says he imparts a physical impact onto the process with the water+gasses+electrons being reflected rapidly around the resonant cavity

he has a whole patent on the resonant cavity.... just going through it here are some clips

please excuse all the big pictures, but i think this is important stuff on the topic!

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has anyone ever tried spheres? the way he shows them drawn would indicate they might be set up to vibrate easily and freely

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2009, 15:42:03 pm »
Another feedback, try a medal side to attach to the outer tube, seems like a good idea, one rubber and one metal side.

Another one, the gases ionize around the cables IF the plus and minus cables are separated and not a 3-split cable shich neutralize the charges, they follow the cables all the way to the plus and minus source. They are looking for the neutral center where it can restart the loop.... That means an electrostatic filter and an injector is very appreciated, anyone has built an injector so far?

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2009, 18:00:12 pm »
Donald,

Please provide the patent/document references for what you cut and pasted.  What documents did  they come from?

The way  they were cut and pasted,  it may seem to someone that they belong together,  but I believe they may have  come from different documents/patents and in different  contexts referring to different  systems. 
 
Now,  at the bottom # 6 he mentions the slots.  It has been speculated that these slots were for acoustic tuning. I find that speculation pretty weak considering that Meyer clearly states,

       "...the outside element comprises a longitudinal slot to provide a side projection output. "

It seems the slots were simply  used to channel the output horizontally.   There's no evidence  that Meyer cut slots to acoustically tune the tubes. 

In regards to the phenomenon that Gauss observed,  the vibrations and or seemingly higher output,  that is interesting.  It is especially interesting that it went away after making some changes.   

What was changed ?.    The water,   maybe  the wiring/ wire lengths.  The water level,  the spacers?  What else?

All these can have an effect upon a resonant system.   Change  one thing and resonance can go away.   Change 5 things at once and you may never get it back unless everything was meticulously documented and measured before making any changes.

As was mentioned before by Electrojolt , seat of the pants visual measurements of gas production  can be very misleading.  The only way to really confirm gas production it by actual measurement.  This is not difficult nor is it expensive to do and is absolutely necessary for any  respectable research. 

I would be very careful not to draw any solid conclusions without actual gas output measurements.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2009, 18:20:55 pm »
i like the idea of adding vibrational action with the action of applying voltage.... i think they could work together...

and stan does have a drawing showing slots cut in his outter tubes.. it was for a demo cell from around 1993....

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« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2009, 19:19:52 pm »
Anyone has seen someone using a pump to a dry cell(StanĀ“s drawing is  adry cell)? I bet it would be interesting to have water pumped through the cell in a closed loop at the same time as taking out the gas from a bubbler or whatever.  Or even better use GEET and vibralysis together. It seems like the GEET reactor can generate electricity.

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« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2009, 19:30:30 pm »
it would help to have the cell hooked to a pump to pump the water from the cell past a static filter... it would keep the cell from over population of contaminates. stan has a drawing for that as well.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2009, 21:06:01 pm »
that was this patent, all from the same patent, in the order taken out

you can see the slot refers to a different drawing