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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2009, 00:18:39 am »
I don't mean to be negative here, I just want to say this:

Tube cells are very deceiving about its gas production, specially longer tubes like the one on your picture, they concentrate the gas and make it look that it is producing massive amounts of gas, but when you take real measurements, they are very disappointing.

What I'm saying is we can use just a simple visual guess on how much gas the cell might be producing, real measurements need to be made.



Well, one of the questions is: How much gas do you produce with hard spacers and no vibrations and vica versa.....


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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2009, 02:27:47 am »
Gauss,

I built this set of tubes about 6 months ago thinking that the effect might be physcial but I never finished them for testing.  Do you think that this arrangment might work?  If you would like a set of tubes like this send a PM.  I feel like I owe you anyway. This is a 4" x 3/4" outside with a 6" x 1/2" inside.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2009, 09:12:49 am »

1. There are no coils.  ( I assume no coils also means no transformer.  The Meyer blocking diode was not mentioned so I also assume that was included in the "etc" and is not used. )
a: Correct but we know 1:1 transformers work too.

2. The tubes are 1" and 3/4" with spacers made of  2mm thick EPDM 1722.  This gives a gap between the tubes is  about 1.5mm.
A: See drawing

3.  The length of the tubes is not given.
A: See drawing

4.  The tubes are suspended from the input wires down into the water reservoir where they hang loosely.
A: Yes the tubes hang freely inside the water in their electric screw connectors

5.  There is no insulation or coating on either tube.
A: Correct

6.  The water is de-ionized water.
A: Correct
7.   The input is a 50 percent Duty Cycle square wave from 500-50,000 Hz.
 A: Correct
8.   The  minimum applied voltage is 1.5v  for gas production
A: About 1.5 V
9.  Gas is produced at a seemingly  increased vs Pure DC  regardless of applied frequency.
      In other words,  any resonance involved is not affected by applied pulse frequency.
A: Correct, maybe efficiency is better at HF but not yet confirmed
10.  No actual gas production levels we taken
A: Correct, but we will do that in a few weeks with more pipes(maybe 3 or 5 pairs of cylinders)

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Keely honoration...
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2009, 09:20:10 am »
I would like to baptize this experiment to "Keely´s HHO vindication". The greatest mind of all times. He must be laughing today the "biggest humbug of the 19th century"..... ;D

Good luck to everyone, it should not be long before you have all this experiment confirmed, just remember "QAD", Quick And Dirty, get some soft rubber that you push between the the cylinders in the top and bottom to keep them in place, then lower the pipes into the bath with a pipe holder on top(any non-conductive material will do).  You can see our homemade holder(3 minutes production time)..

Connect your PWM and start making gas. We are convinced tap water will work perfectly well, in fact I will check it today for you.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2009, 09:41:21 am »
Hi John, you owe me nothing! You could not help that the SS wires had a bad insulation and your price was too cheap anyway for that quality work. In fact we ran our test with your VIC and we get transformer ringing up until about 1 kHz, then it is dead and it gets terribly hot. No gas production, we tried without diode too, did not work either. 

BUT we are CONVINCED that is because our primary voltage when we ran that test was only up to 30 V so the Amps on the secondary side of your VIC is virtually zero, so it is logical we got nothing. That VIC is intended for a monster crystal I believe..... :P Let´s look at crystals after finishing these tests, that is the future, shaking stuff making music.

With 1:1 transformer on an E-type ferrite core we also get good gas but unsure whether more or less yet. We have to measure production soon. I am pretty convinced this will become an easy OU demonstration in the future since we have not optimized one thing in our setup. And I believe we were right in sharing this asap, or else we might have gotten into trouble...

About your holders they look very good, I might want to add some soft rubber material in the screw connectors to make the tubes swing more easily, remember our tubes are behaving like a teeter in the water and only FRICTION between the rubber and the SS tubes are holding the tubes in place  outside the cell. All kinds of stiffness must be avoided I believe at this point(gut instinct after alot of failures with stiff holders giving nothing) but I am not yet certain.


Gauss,

I built this set of tubes about 6 months ago thinking that the effect might be physcial but I never finished them for testing.  Do you think that this arrangment might work?  If you would like a set of tubes like this send a PM.  I feel like I owe you anyway. This is a 4" x 3/4" outside with a 6" x 1/2" inside.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2009, 10:25:41 am »
No we did  not, only rthe rubber was pushed into the 1.5 mm gap and one problem when the pipes are not fixed is that they slip out of eachother sometimes because the friction is not enough. Anyway, inside the water the weight is reduced and we did not have a problem. A good idea is to put a blockage so the outer pipe can not slide down if friction gets lower. But after fixing the pipes in the plastic hanger there is no need for that either.

Who is ready to make an experiment soon?


I wonder if you took your outer tube and put a little sealer (like that plastic dip) on the ends so the inner tub could float freely without fear of short with outer tube.
What do ya think?

Robert

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2009, 10:32:28 am »
Some more pics, you can see the small rubber pieces in black that we pushed between the pipes. Then some pics of the pulser that we built.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2009, 10:48:32 am »
No we did  not, only rthe rubber was pushed into the 1.5 mm gap and one problem when the pipes are not fixed is that they slip out of eachother sometimes because the friction is not enough. Anyway, inside the water the weight is reduced and we did not have a problem. A good idea is to put a blockage so the outer pipe can not slide down if friction gets lower. But after fixing the pipes in the plastic hanger there is no need for that either.

Who is ready to make an experiment soon?


I wonder if you took your outer tube and put a little sealer (like that plastic dip) on the ends so the inner tub could float freely without fear of short with outer tube.
What do ya think?

Robert

Gauss,

I hope to try this coming weekend with one of my tubes. Its an easy setup. Lets see if i can make a humming setup.. ;)

Steve