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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2009, 10:43:24 am »
Hi there,

you seem like a new member, did you build the setup? Results?

0.075 Watts input does not yield a massive output but you see a clear fountain of milky gas coming up between the spacers.

About the longitudinal/vibrational stuff we are convinced. But you might have a different opinion.

About COP I would use Ravi´s setup as role model until further notice, he gets COP 5.4 and anyone in here can replicate his open source document now that we know the foam spacers were used.

Of course we are just beginners yet, pipe optimization, coating, acoustic tuning and crystals should get us above COP 10. We did  not yet even test temperature and pressure dependence. So please, some optimism and experimentation is asked from you. Then please feedback your results.



1.5 V up to any voltage works, no coils, it does not matter what you do, we throttled with the voltage and can get very big amounts of gas. And the minimum amps for production was like 0.1 Amps but that is preliminary. About why  this is working, well, vibration is everything. The vibration seems to transport the Amps from plus to minus in some magical way. A transverse wave becomes longitudinal and there is a standing wave between the cylinders shattering the water at the center point in the gap.

I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions.
1.5V * 0.1 A => big amount of gas? or was the power probably higher? If it's true, then wow!


I'd be careful with the transversal to longitudinal wave things though. ;)


edit: oh i didn't see the other pages lol .. unfortunately cop about 1 seems like <1 to me :/ good luck

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #129 on: July 12, 2009, 14:09:15 pm »
@Alan.
 
Let me address your post point by point.
 
 
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People never went beyond the simplest meyer design, which is gas above 1V using SS and no heating up.

What people are you referring to?   Certainly not me and countless others that I know that took Myers patents as the gospel truth and have built many many systems, following the patents as closley as possible.
 
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I think there are plenty replications shown on youtube - other went beyond by tuning and scaling up just for more lpm, but not for better efficiencies.

I think that the vast majority of "replications" on Youtube are just electrolysis cells and not Meyer replications at all.  Sure they use tubes,  but beyond that they can hardy be callled Meyer replications. 
 
Can you refer me to one verifiable replication where a VIC transformer (4 coils on a common core)  is used per one of Meyers Patents?   Can you refer me to one verifiable replication where a VIC circuit ( 2 chokes and a blocking diode) is used and almost no current
flows though the tubes. Where only voltage potential is doing the work?
 
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Assepom might be the first who's showing the last accomplishment of meyer: an atomic hydrogen flame.

I saw his video.  Cool stuff.  But is it really a Meyer replication?


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don't count too much on scientist, they are very capable to translate it to real science, but many cant think beyond the indoctrine of the laws of thermodynamics, if they do it is blasphemy - if it supposedly breaks the laws, it is not worth looking at. It is the strongest weapon in their scientific crusade against people that are getting things done that may not happen. some call it scientism  (http://www.ionizationx.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)

Sure "many" scientists are rigid and cannot think beyond Maxwell and Faraday et al. I'm not too concerned with those people. They are irrelevant to what we are trying to do. 
 
But the flip side that you failed to mention is that "many" scientists CAN and do think outside of the box and are very open to new ideas and new technology.  I would not paint scientists with such a broad brush.  To me,  that's a cop out and only leads  to an "us against them" mentality that serves no useful purpose.  The "crusade" against us is probably mostly between our ears. But it does kinda give a sense of validity to what we are doing by imagining that that we are being persecuted by the big bad "Scientists" that act as the  Maxwell Police .     

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The difference between the VIC and hairpin [pls comment]:

hairpin creates HF HV pulsing potential gradient by rapid discharging caps through a sparkgap.
the vic creates the same by very rapid changing magnetic flux.

I'm not sure where you are going with this or how it might apply in practical application. Are you suggesting using a spark gap to replace the Voltage intensifier Circuit? Or are you just using the hairpin as a way of explaining (differently from Meyer) how the VIC circuit works.   
 
I'm very open to to the use of spark gaps to create HV in the process of releasing hydrogen from water.  But as far as I am concerned that takes Meyer out of the picture.  Certainly could not be called a Meyer replication ... could it ?       
 
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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2009, 15:01:11 pm »
People mostly on YT who are using SS, pulser and no electrolyte, some have big ampflow though -
and most importantly.... Gauss'. 
Meyer's earliest patents were about LV and raising the level of breakdown,  without chokes.

n/m the scientist story, have read _many_ comment from educated people who said it is rubbish, because laws of thermodynamics..., that was what I had mainly in mind when typing.


n/m the hairpin too, I have never tested it, was just a thought.
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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #131 on: July 13, 2009, 09:58:11 am »
Let´s finish this discussion by concluding the VIC has a possible use in shaking a crystal, let´s exploit that avenue of research asap by discussing tuning forks, acoustic resonance freqs and crystals/ceramics materials to shake our cell. How will a higher acoustic resonance freq affect our options for gap spacing and maximum distance between pipes?

Another thing to consider, why is it that a radio transmitter/receiver is long, thin and flexible?... ;)

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« Reply #132 on: July 13, 2009, 10:10:30 am »
Another interesting thing is that 50% duty cycle yields the same results no matter which freq you pulse with. So let´s test 25% and 12.5% duty cycle to find out whether that works as well too.

Keely had 620, 630 and 12 000 Hz as magical heating freqs. What if we tune our pipes to these freqs?

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« Reply #133 on: July 13, 2009, 10:23:08 am »
LOL...someone's got piezos on the brain  ???

Personally, I prefer interpreting the confusing facts that Meyer stated, and understanding his BIG PICTURE...IONIZED gasses!!...and less with chasing your damn goose!...If ANYWHERE in even ONE Stan Meyer patent you could show something that even HINTED at piezo it would be one thing.....THERE ISN'T

Stop trying to lead astray!

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(FOR THE LOVE OF *!...plz research an ION...and also PLASMA)
Then read all of the attached patent...(especially around...say....Pg. 20 (on the pdf reader) on the left side...lines 20-60....with special attention to line 35)

THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND....look no further then what is presented...leave your expectations at the door and let Stan educate you.
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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #134 on: July 13, 2009, 12:51:17 pm »
Radiant, I am not crazy about Piezxo, just a way of getting the pipes to shake. If it´s ceramics, vortex or other ways is not really very important to me. Please give your suggestion of how to shake it in the easiest and most efficient way.

I give you a clue on how to ionize in the easiest way. See the attached doc and notice the soft rubber in the connections.

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Re: Results from some tests...
« Reply #135 on: July 13, 2009, 13:05:44 pm »
Btw I am NOT convinced Stan was the engineering genius so many people believe.

I will educate myself and interpret his results as my experiments confirm the real picture of what is happening. Why use his words as your law, we have no idea whether he is trying to mislead you or not or whether he is just wrong... And his VIC is first of all a massive resistor and why did he need that?? Only 14:1 transformer, everybody is speaking about kV pulsing but that does not come from a huge transformer but from Stan´s theories of water taking on a charge with the pulse train, that may be true but should that be our focus? In the end he left the WFC and went for water mist and air anyway. If the mechanics is so important I believe a good idea is to examine that path carefully first.

Well, let´s experiment and see where we get, it is an open affair still. I am anyway not doing anything on Piezo at the moment, there are so many other things to do first.

And the ionization is the most important part I agree, the efficiency of HHO production is not that important. We are after a water ion engine and nothing else.


LOL...someone's got piezos on the brain  ???

Personally, I prefer interpreting the confusing facts that Meyer stated, and understanding his BIG PICTURE...IONIZED gasses!!...and less with chasing your damn goose!...If ANYWHERE in even ONE Stan Meyer patent you could show something that even HINTED at piezo it would be one thing.....THERE ISN'T

Stop trying to lead astray!

P.S.
(FOR THE LOVE OF *!...plz research an ION...and also PLASMA)
Then read all of the attached patent...(especially around...say....Pg. 20 (on the pdf reader) on the left side...lines 20-60....with special attention to line 35)

THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND....look no further then what is presented...leave your expectations at the door and let Stan educate you.