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Reversed electrolysis
« on: May 19, 2009, 12:12:08 pm »
Hi members,

A new topic is made for this new theory aka challange.
Its about the technology in which we use an insulated positive electrode / tube /plate and a basic SS negative electrode/tube/plate.
When both electrodes are in a waterbucket, you have created a capacitor with water as dieelectric.

You can measure the capacitance perfectly with a standard LCR meter.
In my case, the tubeset i measured was around 1nF.

The theory is that we pulse the watercapacitor and then discharge the cap and in the proces we take the electrons out of the waterbucket.
This way, the water molecule should fall apart!
I have attached some pictures that show how the electrons behave in such setup.
If you discharge the electrons from the water and negative electrode, they run towards the positive electrode, which is insulated and not directly in touch with the water.
Then the proces should start again. Charge the cap and discharge by shorting.


Maybe we can get some bubbles this way? And even better, Ionized gas output?
Lets make this a worthy topic! ;)

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 15:44:54 pm »
I don't mean to be negative, but from my experiments with insulated electrodes, the water is more like a conductor rather than a dielectric. the material used to insulate the electrodes is the dielectric

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 16:32:03 pm »
has anyone ever tried to polish some stainless? can you get stainless to have a mirror shine? i think being polished will help work in a insulating manner?  since a polished non corrosive metal is probly more deterant to corrosion and also more deterant to the throwing off of electrons???

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 16:44:31 pm »
I don't mean to be negative, but from my experiments with insulated electrodes, the water is more like a conductor rather than a dielectric. the material used to insulate the electrodes is the dielectric
Ok, i think we agree on that, but the plates/tubes/electrodes are working as a cap.
What woul happens if you can pull electrons from the water in the discharge cycle?

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 21:48:16 pm »

 
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has anyone ever tried to polish some stainless?

  Bright SS can be polished. Grey SS will be very tough to polish. You CAN buy polished SS. It's expensive. It has a protective plastic film stuck on it.

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 05:25:05 am »
i sanded mine to 2000 grit, if i put polish on them they would be a mirror shine, but i don't want the polish to get in the way or contaminate it. the idea being that a smoother surface will distribute voltage evenly, but i haven't done any tests yet.

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2018, 10:46:42 am »
Hi guys  well found this post so if I may put in my 2bob’s worth

As you have seen from my post on Ravi’s tube cell, 20yrs ago I was in a group Climate Technology Solutions our group tried all and we had our own experts on HHO, and high qualified engineer electrical, electronic and mechanical.
Our conclusion that you could never generate enough HHO on board to run a car, and we even tried a small generator. There was KOH used as well this made a big difference.
I had some large success with a round plate cell, so I continued on my way with my own electrolysis experiments.
This led to new found discoveries you could use piss as an electrolyte why because of many reason, and a little salt does the same.
You will not break water good quality or even worse distilled water with standard electrolysis using two pieces of metal of the same type, SS, polishing it will not help, it will form its own protective shield coating any way. Then the roughing it up with fine sand, wet and dry whatever will make it worse. Bob B said to do this to create find ridges to give more surface area.
Now the cell is a capacitor but a non-polarised capacitor, a the same as used in some radio tubes set. radio Valves in my book, or on ac motors most times a start capacitor.
So now you can look at the cell another way as I always have done.
The frequency of water well I have two close ones one I worked out to be  3,780,574,537,611.2 hz or 3.78terahz  how did I get this by multiplying the resonate  F of hydrogen and oxygen as at a frequency when they were both harmonically in balance 
1420.405700hz  (hydrogen) x 2661.616 (oxygen)
now I also have found others, it vibrate from 51 – 116 Terahz.
 
So the best that you can do is this, you need to have a tank circuit coil and cell in parallel,
The negative tube or plate, SS the other need to have a coating plated on it, something like palladium, there is another cannot think of it.
You will need the tube or if you are using more than one tube and connect them all in parallel remember that the capacitance will add up and the working voltage will be lowered.
You will have to measure them all connected and in the solution.
Then wind the coil to get a resonant Frequency  XL = XC  then the resistance need to be real small so use large wire. Better still use high frequency wire it is fine stranded. Or use several strands of winding wire twisted together then wind you coil with that the LCD meter is a good tool. Ok will wait for your comments    will tell you  why a tank circuit and the danger.
 

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Re: Reversed electrolysis
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2018, 19:51:47 pm »
Hi guys  well found this post so if I may put in my 2bob’s worth

As you have seen from my post on Ravi’s tube cell, 20yrs ago I was in a group Climate Technology Solutions our group tried all and we had our own experts on HHO, and high qualified engineer electrical, electronic and mechanical.
Our conclusion that you could never generate enough HHO on board to run a car, and we even tried a small generator. There was KOH used as well this made a big difference.
I had some large success with a round plate cell, so I continued on my way with my own electrolysis experiments.
This led to new found discoveries you could use piss as an electrolyte why because of many reason, and a little salt does the same.
You will not break water good quality or even worse distilled water with standard electrolysis using two pieces of metal of the same type, SS, polishing it will not help, it will form its own protective shield coating any way. Then the roughing it up with fine sand, wet and dry whatever will make it worse. Bob B said to do this to create find ridges to give more surface area.
Now the cell is a capacitor but a non-polarised capacitor, a the same as used in some radio tubes set. radio Valves in my book, or on ac motors most times a start capacitor.
So now you can look at the cell another way as I always have done.
The frequency of water well I have two close ones one I worked out to be  3,780,574,537,611.2 hz or 3.78terahz  how did I get this by multiplying the resonate  F of hydrogen and oxygen as at a frequency when they were both harmonically in balance 
1420.405700hz  (hydrogen) x 2661.616 (oxygen)
now I also have found others, it vibrate from 51 – 116 Terahz.
 
So the best that you can do is this, you need to have a tank circuit coil and cell in parallel,
The negative tube or plate, SS the other need to have a coating plated on it, something like palladium, there is another cannot think of it.
You will need the tube or if you are using more than one tube and connect them all in parallel remember that the capacitance will add up and the working voltage will be lowered.
You will have to measure them all connected and in the solution.
Then wind the coil to get a resonant Frequency  XL = XC  then the resistance need to be real small so use large wire. Better still use high frequency wire it is fine stranded. Or use several strands of winding wire twisted together then wind you coil with that the LCD meter is a good tool. Ok will wait for your comments    will tell you  why a tank circuit and the danger.
 

Well, tank circuits have very high current flow during short periodes....
That can be dangerous