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Re: VIC and WFC Project
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2009, 05:13:32 am »
@Burntwire
First off, VERY NICE!! You are doing what Meyer showed in his patent diagrams. If you know what your looking for...he had a "wiper" arm on the negative leg of the bifilar choke. It is common practice to scrape some of the insulation off so a "wiper" arm can be used to effectively bypass turns on the "resonant charging choke".

What your pics show is you tuning in closer and closer to resonance. The huge spikes are not an "initial" spikes (the current dampens the Forward EMF spike)....they are "trailing" spikes, caused by the  back EMF (the voltage is produced by the change in work over the change in time (Delta W/Delta T)....in this case change in work is the changing magnetic field...the change in time is how long it takes the field to collapse....as the off time/collapse becomes closer and closer to zero the voltage spike goes up)...the "bunch of little spikes" are the "ringing" oscillations which are tell-tale signs of resonant oscillations. Once you have hit the point where the large spikes are largest that is your "primary harmonic", there will be many harmonics that produce voltage spikes...but, the primary harmonic is the best one.
Again...great job you are on the right track
However, you will not see voltage step up until you address the charge leakage across the water gap...I suggest prolonged operation to build up layers on the SS tubes...the extra layers will help to get a more capacitor like action...This point is stressed by the Ravi replication that took months to "seed"

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Re: VIC and WFC Project
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2009, 14:06:27 pm »
VERY nice
primary as in choke or xformer?

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Re: VIC and WFC Project
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2009, 14:45:37 pm »
VERY nice
primary as in choke or xformer?

Thanks Guys!

Sorry I should have been more clear.

reading above are into Primaray leg of the xformer. 

The choke is averaging between 5mA and 13 mA

Radiant _1 yes you are correct I was reading Stan's tb for the 100'th time last night.  To date I've only been reading the VIC section in great detail. I read section "WFC Hydrogen Gas Management System" last night and read were he coats the tubes with derlin. Page:3-11"

I can't find it in liquid form to coat with so I'm going to remove my tubes today and coat with DEVCON 5 minute epoxy  with a dielectric strength of 490volts/mil

Can't wait need to let this stuff cure for awhile.

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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2009, 15:00:28 pm »
The delrin isolation refers to part 72 of fig 3-25, which shows that the outside of the cell is insulated (and inside of the inner tube, was supposedly also insulated, but is not shown).
But perhaps fully coated with delrin could give surprising results; read the tay hee hau patent (somewhere on this board) which can help you choose the correct insulation.

You could try to put a diode on both sides of the choke (like figure 8-11) and see what happens

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Re: VIC and WFC Project
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2009, 15:58:41 pm »
Burntwire , let me put you in contact with people who made the VIC .

thx for coming here and posting your findings .

It seems like Radiant`s answer has helped you . Thx Radiant

I will also be looking for some sort of coating and will be by your side very soon .

I love those GO vs non GO figures .

How did you get such a high resistance cell , are you using pure lab water ???

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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2009, 16:29:35 pm »
The delrin isolation refers to part 72 of fig 3-25, which shows that the outside of the cell is insulated (and inside of the inner tube, was supposedly also insulated, but is not shown).
But perhaps fully coated with delrin could give surprising results; read the tay hee hau patent (somewhere on this board) which can help you choose the correct insulation.

You could try to put a diode on both sides of the choke (like figure 8-11) and see what happens

I can try thta and see what happens.  However I think this is to stop multiple charging chokes from interfering with each other.  W/o the second diode each choke would discharge into the other and not the WFC. IMHO
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VIC and WFC Project
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2009, 22:04:22 pm »
Ok just made a new set of WCF tubes.

I'm going coat these with enamle for a first attempt. I'm not sure how this with hold up under water should be interesting.

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Re: VIC and WFC Project
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2009, 23:33:36 pm »
There is a replicator named Dr. Scott Cramton who uses Super Corona Dope as an insulator.  Patrick Kelly reports on his progress in his updated chapter10.pdf every so often.

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Andy