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J. Miller / Re: Stanley A Meyer Multi Tier EPG and BiToroidal Transformers by Thane Hein
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 19:54:36 pm »
In the BiTT technology, an additional larger magnetic  flux shunt bridges the  ends of the two secondary coils.  This provides an easier  path for the  magnetic
flux to travel than the smaller bridges at the top an bottom o the two secondary coils.. Because of the magnetic orientation
 of the two secondary pick up coils , the bridge is functioning a a magnetic diode, reducing back EMF (BEMF) and the resulting opposing Lenz forces

In a similar fashion the magnetic pathways connecting  two toroidal coils in a multiple tier EPG (2 spiralled coils) are of unequal sizes or cross section
and serve the same purpose
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fastimports3 / Re: Looking for the right photocatalytic combination to extract electrons
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 16:35:37 pm »
Interesting take on the alcohol. So why not just mix it in the fogger and call it a day. It appears Walter Jenkins had done it with as little as 5% fuel inside the fogger and fed to the engine. I figured when I was messing with the fogger one could burn less fuel similar to Paul Pantones design. Except your using ultrasonics to suspend the fuel. If I was in to the business of being popular of what I feel like is a scam or misleading. I could’ve done that years ago. Instead of mixing fuel I want to use the Hydroxy gas. Steve had even pointed it out again to me. Why not mix the fog and the HHO to see if it will respond similar to Walter Jenkins claims.

The other part is a gas engine itself is extremely wasteful in the form of heat, like 70%. We don’t need heat just a expansion of air to drive a piston. Or maybe a vacuum on the piston after top dead center. I haven’t gotten so far as to try and run anything solely on the water gas. I have seen plenty of motors run on HHO. They run cold. So some of that energy that is not available. Wasn’t needed in the first place to run the engine. Because most of the energy the gas provides the engine is lost as heat.
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fastimports3 / Re: Looking for the right photocatalytic combination to extract electrons
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 11:54:01 am »
You can make an alcoholic solution by using electrochemical cells (hydrogen burns too fast for engines you can only get a little energy out)  the efficiency, however, is low! I mean 60 minutes to get a 1% solution when you need a 70% solution so with no special setup you will need 70 hours to run a car, a fungus needs 24 hours to make it so electrochemical methods are slower, the ideal setup is in situ production of fuel from water and carbon, the energy density is high enough to make it worth investigating. In short you make carbon dioxide to feed it through the cell and produce oxalates than reduce it by hydrogenation to methanol or ethanol, the efficiency is ultra low so you definitely need specialized setup for this! Custom electrode materials certainly, the electrolyte can be a metal carbonate. I believe the limiting step is hydrogenation so it definitely needs research because bubbling hydrogen through the cell is not easy, the hydrogen generated near the electrode is of very low concentration so if you concentrate it somewhere and feed it through again it can make the process faster but the storage and gas lines are complicated to build but the most important step if to design and make the catalysts for the electrodes. Current research is focusing  on chemisorbed species, it is hopeless, how do you avoid catalyst poisoning if you have 10 different chemisorbed ions?

In short without bothering with stoichiometry or charges

C + O2 -> CO2
2CO2 + H2O -> C2O4 2- + OH- + H+
C2O4 2-  + H2  -> CH3CH2OH + H2O  rate limiting step




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J. Miller / Re: Stanley A Meyer Multi Tier EPG and BiToroidal Transformers by Thane Hein
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 11:45:22 am »
Hi Jim,

What if we just use the hho gas pressure to shoot a magnet thru coils? In a circle, or so.
Or drive some sort of  airclosed windturbine.........

Should work, ill gues...
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The basics / Re: The fallacy of modern EM
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 08:27:48 am »
I just want to bring up what I see as the main difference in the alternator vs the EPG when it comes to producing power and efficiencies..   We will never get fully way from the counter electromotive force.. But we can work to get rid of a good amount of CEMF while maintaining the same power out.. The goal of any generator is to create strong fluxuating B fields within the loops of coils.. You cannot create a rotor on a armature that has strong fluxuating magnetic fields within the loop because the loop obstructs the ability of a iron material to pass through.. So Stan came up with a way to get strong fluxing magnetic material to pass through the loops without the need of a rotor/armature by using a tubular passage to carry strong B field generating materials like iron.  So now if we think about the alternator and what the purpose of a stator core is.. i think we can consider it a magnetic field amplifier.. it allows the rotors magnetic field to induce the needed strong magnetic field fluxuations in the center of the pickup coils.. the stator core carries an excess of CEMF to be able to work. so a stator core style generator has the inherent problem of how it goes about in getting strong B field fluxuations into the center of the pickup coils.

 If you read stans EPG patent and look into the reference patents you will see a patent from batelle where they created a unit a lot like a EPG but it used solid magnetic spheres being passed through a tube with pickup coils and the magnetic spheres are being propelled by air.


There are people claiming that Meyer was using the bemf.....not blocking it....
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J. Miller / Stanley A Meyer Multi Tier EPG and BiToroidal Transformers by Thane Hein
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 08:22:00 am »
For those familiar with the line drawing of the 6 tier 3 phase EPG a modification to a 2 tier 1 phase device
shows some similarities to the BiToroidal Transformer systems of Thane Hein.

The windings of the toroidal tiers are  joined electrically and are functioning as the 2 secondary  windings in Thane Hein's transformer
The windings of the  Polynoid(r) type magnetic pumps are analogous to the  central primary winding in the BiTT devices
The connecting tubing containing the  mag gas or ferrofluid is analogous to the extra shunt bar that Thane uses to reduce Lenz effects
The path of the MagGas or Ferrofluid is analogous to the solid ferromagnetic materials such as laminated ferro silicate plates or molded ferro ceramic cores in the BiTT technology

In terms of EPG design , an increase in the diameter of the inter tier connector tubing or possibly a larger solid  electromagnetic shunt that
is in contact with the moving magnetic material and joins the two tiers electromagnetically might be preferable. This would make it more similar to
the BITT technology  which functions as a magnetic diode    It may be that by blocking BEMF and reducing Lenz effects that Thane is
producing high levels of efficiency. It has been reported that the COP was about 3 for some of the EPG systems...

blueteam kudos   thanks for the date of the Meyer-Golding interview  I  did not have it down as one of the confirmed  Deercreek Seminar dates.

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The basics / Re: The fallacy of modern EM
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 09, 2021, 16:03:34 pm »
I just want to bring up what I see as the main difference in the alternator vs the EPG when it comes to producing power and efficiencies..   We will never get fully way from the counter electromotive force.. But we can work to get rid of a good amount of CEMF while maintaining the same power out.. The goal of any generator is to create strong fluxuating B fields within the loops of coils.. You cannot create a rotor on a armature that has strong fluxuating magnetic fields within the loop because the loop obstructs the ability of a iron material to pass through.. So Stan came up with a way to get strong fluxing magnetic material to pass through the loops without the need of a rotor/armature by using a tubular passage to carry strong B field generating materials like iron.  So now if we think about the alternator and what the purpose of a stator core is.. i think we can consider it a magnetic field amplifier.. it allows the rotors magnetic field to induce the needed strong magnetic field fluxuations in the center of the pickup coils.. the stator core carries an excess of CEMF to be able to work. so a stator core style generator has the inherent problem of how it goes about in getting strong B field fluxuations into the center of the pickup coils.

 If you read stans EPG patent and look into the reference patents you will see a patent from batelle where they created a unit a lot like a EPG but it used solid magnetic spheres being passed through a tube with pickup coils and the magnetic spheres are being propelled by air.

The ferrite cores in coils and motors act as a cushion for the BEMF ! Take the tesla induction motor for example and the top of the art axial motors they use in cars, they all use ferrite cores to reduce torque ripple by cushioning the BEMF, the BEMF is how movement is made.
In short whenever there's movement ferrite cores act as a cushion, whenever there's no movement ferrite cores concentrate the magnetic flux.

I tried to make a motor using stan's toroidal coil principle because in paper it should work, I didn't succeed and I wasted 3 months on making FEMM simulations, the flux changes shapes all the time , it's nothing like they say it's in books.
I remember I put cylindrical magnets and toroidal coils of rectangular cross section , inside, outside, in many many positions, the only spot where there was BEMF was at the edge of the coil because there's a gradient of B flux there, there are dozens of patents from the 1950s using toroidal coils in motors, the best I could get is a motor for bicycles! The torque and power was bad, so I abandoned toroidal coils and works on axial topologies.

I did design a  brand new type of motor that'll never get released but the electronics needed to drive it are too complex, in essence instead of giving it constant voltage you have to make maps of voltage for every rpm to keep the current constant instead! It has been done in research but they haven't even applied this principle in industry yet and the know how behind building strong motor power supplies is secret because there's a lot of $$$ involved now with the EV bubble. This delivers 5-10 times more power and torque than the YASA motor in the same dimensions and less weight. These oxford guys got millions in funding, it's ridiculous  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

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The basics / Re: The fallacy of modern EM
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 09, 2021, 13:28:30 pm »
I just want to bring up what I see as the main difference in the alternator vs the EPG when it comes to producing power and efficiencies..   We will never get fully way from the counter electromotive force.. But we can work to get rid of a good amount of CEMF while maintaining the same power out.. The goal of any generator is to create strong fluxuating B fields within the loops of coils.. You cannot create a rotor on a armature that has strong fluxuating magnetic fields within the loop because the loop obstructs the ability of a iron material to pass through.. So Stan came up with a way to get strong fluxing magnetic material to pass through the loops without the need of a rotor/armature by using a tubular passage to carry strong B field generating materials like iron.  So now if we think about the alternator and what the purpose of a stator core is.. i think we can consider it a magnetic field amplifier.. it allows the rotors magnetic field to induce the needed strong magnetic field fluxuations in the center of the pickup coils.. the stator core carries an excess of CEMF to be able to work. so a stator core style generator has the inherent problem of how it goes about in getting strong B field fluxuations into the center of the pickup coils.

 If you read stans EPG patent and look into the reference patents you will see a patent from batelle where they created a unit a lot like a EPG but it used solid magnetic spheres being passed through a tube with pickup coils and the magnetic spheres are being propelled by air.
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The basics / Re: The fallacy of modern EM
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 08, 2021, 16:17:48 pm »
You can consider the hidden lorrentz force as a magnetomotive lorrentz force! It's close to zero in most cases. No free energy here, lenz law still applies!!! Believe me you want to consider the magnetic flux as real, it solves all paradoxes, the next stage is to consider it as wave components, the B field is the most basic field before you go into more crazy theories. The E field is secondary, even though these are the same fields! There's only spacetime and the zoo of elementary particles.
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The basics / Re: The fallacy of modern EM
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 08, 2021, 10:14:54 am »
if you want this to work
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