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fastimports3 / utilize inefficiency of the ICE to aid in the charging & fracturing process
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 28, 2021, 20:55:57 pm »
New thread for the inefficiency and the search to amend the second law.
We know vacuum, pressure, temp are all things of inefficiency or available aid possibly in an Internal Combustion Engine ICE.
Maybe we need to look at what the engine has to offer us in the sense of producing small amounts of assistance energy in our process. Let’s say for example the high temps produced in the compression of  a Diesel engine.

 We could do away with cooling systems on vehicles and go air cooled only. Dudley Engineering showed us how he had to cut fins to get his engine to run correctly on HHO. So the gas produces go pressure without heat.

There is more exploring to be done in how we can utilize the engines process to aid in fuel generation through fracturing the combination of fog and HHO in a diesel level compression motor. It would be nice to add the plasma ignition as well.
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General Discussion / Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 28, 2021, 10:21:18 am »
Does anybody have this patent?
patent application, filed, Sept. 16, 1981, U.S. Ser. No. 302,807, for Hydrogen Generator, a hydrogen gas generating system

If so, please share it with me.
Thanks!

Steve
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fastimports3 / Re: Looking for the right photocatalytic combination to extract electrons
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 27, 2021, 22:45:38 pm »
I’m not trying to use electrolysis to generate fuel. I’m trying to use sound waves to arrange another isomeric configuration that happened to be unstable. There is more going on with the fog generated with the ultrasonic diggers then is generally accepted. This is the main focus of my threads.

The combustion engine is highly inefficient turning most of the energy from the reaction to wasted heat energy. Why can’t we use what the engine has to offer to assist in preparation of the the unstable isomeric form of water. Using the engines vacuum to pull on the water molecule should elongate it for easier destabilization.

The easiest way is to add water to a know fuel to get better efficiency. That however is not what the original claims were. It is hard to imagine a person puts so much work into a fraud or even a scam. Not to mention a scam that fooled the US military to show interest. The world around us is perpetually in motion. The electrons are spinning away, all we need to do is interrupt its path with the work we want done.
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General Discussion / Bemf behaviour in the waterbath during electrolysis
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 27, 2021, 10:24:49 am »
Let us consider the case of two platinum electrodes dipped in dilute sulphuric acid solution. When a small potential difference is applied across the electrodes, no current is found to flow. When, however, the applied voltage is increased, a time comes when a temporary flow of current takes place. The H+ ions move towards the cathodes and O- ions move towards the anode and are absorbed there. These adsorbed ions have a tendency to go back into the electrolytic solution, thereby leaving them as oppositely-charged electrodes. This tendency produces an emf that is in opposition to the applied voltage which is consequently reduced.
"This opposing emf which is produced in an electrolyte due to the absorption of gaseous ions by the electrolyte from the two electrodes is known as the back emf of electrolysis or polarization."

The value of this back emf is different from different electrolytes. The minimum voltage required to decompose an electrolyte is called the decomposition voltage for that electrolyte.
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J. Miller / Stanley A Meyer Micro Magnetic Particles
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 20, 2021, 22:13:03 pm »
"Extrusion Die for Heated Thermoplastic Carrier of Aligned Ferromagnetic Material

1. Obtain sufficient 304 stainless tubing with 1/16 diameter
2. Cut into 15 cm lengths      Construction Note Use a pipe tubing cutter to make an indented ring on the tube , then snap
3. Use a drill or bolt gauge to estimate how many can be  put into a larger tube which is the heated and magnetized
     extrusion die
4. If you are mathematically inclined use circle packing formula to determine the number of  circles with the
     outside diameter of the stainless tubes that can fit into the cross-sectional area of the heating tube.

Example:   Pi * ( R)squared  = A   3.1416  *  (0.0625) squared  = approx 0.0123 sq in
                  This represents the cross sectional area of 1/16" OD stainless pipe 

                   Now for the heated collar 3/4" copper tubing  is a good choice
                    Look up the cross-sectional area for the tubing  selected in a standard plumbing guide

                   Using standard circle packing formulas, how many tubes can fit  through a one square inch area?

                   Once you have that, multiply by the inside cross-sectional area of the 3/4 heating tube

                    See Toth      1/6 *  pi *  sqrt 3    0.906

     
                   Bundle and tape together at the in a hexagonal honeycomb. dip the ends into wax or plastidip to prevent
                   expoxy cement from entering the stainless  tubes Use epoxy to cement the bundled stainless tubes
                   into the copper tube

                   Grind the tubes flat on  one end of the nozzle and  sweat solder a threaded fitting to the other end
                   which will be attached to the hot glue reservoir."

Extrusion Die and Nozzle Design and Material Calculations

                  Area of nozzle exit
                  Although it is possible to purchase  or fabricate square or rectangular shaped  "tubing", for the purposes of this construction
                  only round tubing or pipe will be considered.

                 For example, the cross-sectional area of a circular pipe with a one inch inside diameter is given by
                 squaring the radius and multiplying by Pi    Thus  0.5 times 0.5 times Pi equals a 0.785 square inch cross-section.

                 Fortunately there are a number of plumbing handbooks that have a lot of data on various types of copper pipes

                Here's several nice  copper tubing  resources:   
                                https://www.copper.org/applications/plumbing/cth/

                                https://pages.mtu.edu/~fmorriso/cm3215/copper_tube_handbook.pdf
                               
                Copper pipes come in the types  K,L and M  which have the same outside diameters but different wall thickness which
                means a different internal  diameter and thus different inside cross-sectional area.

                In this construction type M 3/4 inch od pipe was used  It has a cross-sectional area of  0.517 square inches

                Now let's think bout the number of orifices that will be used in the nozzle construction.. The application of
                circle packing theory may give some insight

                For a given rectangular area,  circles that area arranged in a honeycomb or  hexagonal stacking will have the

                greatest number of circles per square inch  See Wikipedia  article   circle packing and more specifically circle packing in a circle.


               http://hydra.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/packing/cci/
               


                   
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J. Miller / Re: Stanley A Meyer EPG Manufacture of MicroMagnetic Particles for Magnetic Slurry
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 18, 2021, 00:27:46 am »
Well from a mathematical standpoint, the Keppler Conjecture would indicate a  packing  ratio of about 07 or so
for the nanospheres with the voids filled with resin, liquid or air.   So the density would be a weighted average
of the relative volumes  and densities of each of the nanospheres and carrier liquid

Perhaps a ferrofluid as the carrier liquid with the plastic micro magnetic bar magnets suspended within would increase the
magnetic susceptibly of the total epg core with an acceptable  change in viscosity
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J. Miller / Stanley A Meyer EPG Manufacture of MicroMagnetic Particles for Magnetic Slurry
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 17, 2021, 17:28:54 pm »
"In the Ferrofluid and Mag-Gas plasma  EPG devices the maintenance of magnetic domain is critical for optimum power generation.

In the slurry systems by Meyer, Hauswirth, and Miller et al, (ferrofluid) the disruption of magnetic field orientation is mitigated by the use of orientation coils.

In the  gas plasma devices there are several  alignment  forces present. First, the use of the linear magnetic drives for pumps and then secondly, the magnetic coupling in the paramagnetic matrix

The domains are in one case about 10Nm and the gaseous systems much smaller atomic clusters

The method for creation of  larger magnetic domains is as follows:

1 Select the paramagnetic material  Fe, Co, or Ni   (either powder or larger filings)

2 Select the matrix be used.  A thermosetting  plastic such as the type used in hot glues
(This is similar to the systems  using PIB or poly-silanes )ed.

3. Melt the plastic to the highest temperature possible without breakdown
  (The  goal is to minimize viscosity) ed.

4 Introduce the paramagnetic material.  Brownian movement will be lowered
   by the viscous nature of the plastic,  When large amounts of magnetite are
   used on a vol/vol basis the ferrofluids increase rapidly in viscosity due to thixotropic
   and other rheological factors. (Bremen Conference Notes in Dropbox)

5. The reservoir of the paramagnetic//plastic suspension is heated and constantly stirred at this point

6  The molten  slurry is extruded  under pressure through a heated magnetic alignment tube
 
7  A nozzle with many small orifices is surrounded by a strong magnetic collar or coil to align the
    small particles before cooling the magnetic filament in air or  water bath.  Spinnerets similar to
    "cotton candy" machines are suitable for air dry systems

8  After drying the collected filament, it is then ready to be processed into smaller segments  by
    mechanical means.

9 The orientation of the magnetized  particles is axial to the magnetic force applied and is locked
    from further axial change within the  smaller segments due to the phase change of the suspending
    agent  (the thermosetting plastic or glue
 
10. The increased vol/vol ratio  of ferromagnetic material to matrix would result in aa larger magnetic susceptibly and
      would result in  greater COP values in the mechanical EPG series (over 3 as reported) but the EFFECTIVE
       SURFACE AREA OF CONTACT OF MAGNETIZED PARTICLES IS DRASTICALLY REDUCED DUE
       TO THE LARGER SIZE OF THE MAGNETIC REGIONS. and due to fewer particles per cubic
       centimeter, the viscosity is REDUCED"
       
        Which is easier to stir, a pound of corn flour,  a pound of corn meal or a pound of corn kernels when placed in
        and mixed with a pint of water? ed

        The corn flour "sets up" like  paste or a very thick tortilla batter
        The corn meal forms a thin gruel
        The corn kernels are easily swished around. ed.

11. "The fixation of the magnetic particles maintain and creates a magnetic matrix ,but the use of overall
larger domains or groups in the plastic "bar magnets"  results in lower viscosity permanently magnetized
media. The oil or water base used in the slurry becomes the dominant factor in viscosity with the same
or greater magnetic susceptibility per cc

  11  the  large magnetic particles or magnetic clusters can also subsequently be exposed or coated with either hydrophobic or hydrophilic  treatments depending on choice of carrier liquid"


pat pend     
sandia24


editor note:   thanks  Nice work!!  This is similar concept to the PIB and Poly silane  series discussed  elsewhere on this page.  ed. jm
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fastimports3 / Re: Looking for the right photocatalytic combination to extract electrons
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 16, 2021, 10:46:46 am »
 if you want an engine to run you need the chemical reaction to be more exothermic than the previous ones and the net energy to be positive

when you try to break up water during electrolysis you give energy with 30% losses to heat to make the more unstable version of "water" which is hydrogen

when you burn it inside the engine you take back the energy you gave during electrolysis with 70% losses to heat

what does it take to figure out this can't work?

when you make alcohol you can start from a higher energy density chemical to a lower energy density chemical thus the net gain in energy will be positive, in theory you can convert sugar to alcohol and run the car with it, alcohol water efficiency may reach up to 70% because water acts as an expansive agent, you can't do this with gasoline or diesel. The problem is that you can't make alcohol fast enough with the current technology for the engine to burn. If enough money is spent I'm pretty sure cars could run on sugars, this is the fuel of nature.



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J. Miller / Re: Stanley A Meyer Q & A October 2021
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 13, 2021, 10:43:28 am »
Blueteam3  put us on the track of a researcher and inventor from California that was interviewed by
Stan Meyer.    The label of the documentation is 2-13-1988 which would have been a Saturday
which is the customary day that Stan gave lectures at the Deer Creek State Park in Ohio

So far, a search of the known video archives has not turned up a copy of his lecture and demonstration
from that date.,,,,

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Statements have been made by people close to the examination of the Meyer estate that the EPGs had a COP
of about 3. It's possible to look at the physical construction of the EPGs for clues to its operational capabilities

In a car alternator , energy is required to turn  the rotor against  opposing magnetic fields and also to supply
energy to create magnetic fields to induce current in the stator pickup coils.

Very good Jim,

Looking forward to see that interview, when it surfaced....
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J. Miller / Stanley A Meyer Q & A October 2021
« Last post by Login to see usernames on October 12, 2021, 20:45:19 pm »
New Image

Blueteam3  put us on the track of a researcher and inventor from California that was interviewed by
Stan Meyer.    The label of the documentation is 2-13-1988 which would have been a Saturday
which is the customary day that Stan gave lectures at the Deer Creek State Park in Ohio

So far, a search of the known video archives has not turned up a copy of his lecture and demonstration
from that date.,,,, but here's a photo copyright 2021  blueteam3 gmbh

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Muti-Tier Systems

Statements have been made by people close to the examination of the Meyer estate that the single tier EPGs had a COP
of about 3. It's possible to look at the physical construction of the EPGs for clues to its operational capabilities

In a car alternator , energy is required to turn  the rotor against  opposing magnetic fields and also to supply
energy to create magnetic fields to induce current in the stator pickup coils. The breaking of the air gap results
in significant BEMF, but the toroidal magnetic configuration minimizes this problem.

"In the multi-tier systems, the flow rate is the same in all the tiers which allows a balanced output
 for the 3 phase systems In the 6 tier system two tiers are  linked electrically and magnetically by direct
electrical connection and  a common paramagnetic core."


"The input power is basically composed of two components:
:
1. Energy needs to be input to the mechanical pump
 
2. Energy is needed for the alignment coils in single tier systems"

"The multiple tiered system used a Polynoid (r) type pump that aligned the magnetic axis of the
gas as well as pumping it. A small amount of power is consumed by the pulsing  control circuits."

In the single tier EPGs, when using, ferrofluids, the greater density and surface turbulence requires
a  higher energy input  than pumping a lighter magnetic gas such as the Nickel Argonide series."

Flow rate were reportedly 50 ips vs 90 ips for the mag-gas plasma devices
In the EMF equation, the number of turns is related to the  number of tiers
In the single tier systems a COP of 3 translates to  COP of at least 18 for a 6 tier system.

When comparing the  ferrofluid devices to the  multitier gas systems , the flow rate is
 directly related to the number of lines  of coil "cut" / per second.

90/ divided by 50  =  1.8, so now 18 times 1.8  may mean a COP of over  32 !!
 
The reported output of the 6 tier system was 220v at 200 to 300 amp draw or between 44 Kw to 66 Kw !!

44,000  watt output divided by 32 is 1375 watts input , something a little be more than
a microwave oven. By tapping off a  small percentage of the output to the input the system is
self sustaining. A car battery could be used for initial start up or backup or the ac output
can be rectified and stored  in the 20 nickel iron Edison batteries.



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