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Title: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2009, 06:59:29 am
Lets say I wanna mix both "anti-voltage" and voltage somehow , this is tricky to do if you think about it , you cant really add chokes in the circuit , cant have any switching mechanism installed @ such high voltages .

So what If I just wanted to send quick DC signal to the cell and not energize the green choke wich cancels out my red choke , I gotta zap that cell without going throught the positive red choke in the VIC .

So that first zap from my outside red choke is going throught my green choke , green choke induces current in red choke and current/voltage gets blocked by blocking diode . Did I just mix both without too much negative effects but a hot diode ?

Lets make a nice big choke with an I core , some solid as hell diodes good quality shit . Both "channels" can have their own frequency or w/e ...

It seems like it would reverse the fields a bit also , wich is good .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2009, 20:29:05 pm
You're going to blow something up..
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2009, 22:05:59 pm
Everything in the green and blue is a transformer.  Everthing in the red is a choke. 

When you apply your pulse to the transformer - all parts of that system will act as a transfomer - the magnetic field lines of flux will produce a voltage potential in the blue and green colored areas.

The red, choke in the lower right corner, is what is used to reduce the current flow. 

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2009, 23:58:57 pm
Everything in the green and blue is a transformer.  Everthing in the red is a choke. 

When you apply your pulse to the transformer - all parts of that system will act as a transfomer - the magnetic field lines of flux will produce a voltage potential in the blue and green colored areas.

The red, choke in the lower right corner, is what is used to reduce the current flow. 

My 2 cents.

Lets just call the lower right red choke the "yellow" choke .

Well ok , lets say new yellow choke  induced a current into our blue secondary , this gets blocked and is grounded , the red choke is blocked also . The primary might get a little kick back from this but I'll just put a diode , it will be stepped down and very minor since the coupling will be very weak .

This wont break anything @ all .  I just wanna introduce a gradient across the cell . When conected this way , the VIC without the yellow choke never has a gradient since the chokes are mirrors of eachother and in-phase , meaning their voltage collides and cancels out . So lets say I wanted to  apply a gradient without inducing current into the green choke , somehow ...

But I wonder if on off pulse a gradient is created with the lone VIC connected Meyers bifilar style , will have to check this .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 01:27:33 am
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You're going to blow something up..

lol

i like the abstract thought dankie.. can you give me your insight of gradient? im not sure if i quiet understand.

i had an idea that keeps coming back up in my thoughts  current flow lags by 90 degrees .. there is only one spot where there is technicaly current and thats the primary.. so the secondary is lagging to keep up with primary........... lag-to fail to maintain a desired pace or to keep up...    the way stan says to wind the primary i could interpret it as a longitudinal wrap  is perpendicular to secondary and the stainless chokes... it could also be considered bidirectional since it travels back and forth if wound like that..   to wind it in that manner would be tuff? but i think its straight runs instead of winds will allow a better signal propagation to the core? then also realize that it will in all only make one loop around the core.. so its like your getting your wire inductance in one wind.. so it would make since that it would create such high voltage like that... maybe he used somthing like a flexable thin sheet of insulator.. cut it to the circumference and width of primary bobbin  to where you can cuff the bobbin with it....then take a the primary wire and wind it on  the sheet.. drill a little hole at begining and end corners.. it would be a flat 2-d wound sheet  then cuffed around where primary wind goes... what you think fellas.. sound like you can get some electrical torque that way? i can kinda see it maybe as a leverage aspect? idk let me know what yall think  and let me hear how you see gradient..
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 01:38:54 am
longitude on a globe is the lines that go from north pole to south pole. so the primary is resembling earths natural flow of energy and the secondary and chokes are the trade winds in a sense.. earths magnetic flow is north and south thats why a compass needle lines up.. a compass is like a wind vein for electro magnetic flow.. wind is energy flow from a high pressure to a low pressure.. i really think im on to somthing here..
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 04:58:02 am
a gradient is a difference of potential across the cell .

No difference = no gradient .

Seriously I have no idea what you are alking about with the longitudinal winding .

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 23, 2009, 03:41:45 am
read this off of page 133 in the tech..

Primary Coil (26) (typically .030 Ga.) film coated magnet wire is longitudinal wrapped in
space relationship on top of and layered bidirectional (507a xxx 507n) across spiral-wrap coils
(501a xxx 50 In) to complete bobbin cavity (504)


the longitude lines on the globe travel from north pole to south..   
space relationship is most likely based of north and south on the vic?   

i see the choke and secondary windings in space relationship carrying the forces of trade winds and i would say the gradient in the cell resemble trade winds during production.. have you ever noticed that drawing on the switzerland video right at the beggining.. notice it resembles trade winds... just a hunch.. all being related to mother natures actions.
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 02:37:31 am
So John will be starting winding my coil soon , 11,6k ohms per choke .

This coil and its core will be considered perfect , nothing else will , but these 2 chokes will be considered be me to be "built upon" , my whole gear or w/e mightchange , these 2 coils wont .

I present you my "chokes"

The Bobbin is a bit too big for these chokes , so that might even change , might have to take out the scraper.

This is gonna be cool !!!!!

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 04:31:48 am
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/johnbifilar.jpg)

this image is 4 sections with bifilar in each.....if you look at the pictures then why not look at this one.

what you are planning on doing completely contradicts this image and the accompanied text.
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 04:48:27 am
Good to see you getting something physical done Dankie, can't wait to see what happens!
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 16:58:26 pm
thats not 6-1 , and it makes no difference sicne that connection is in phase , there is no potential difference from each wire since both have currents going to the cell . It changes nothing @  all if wound sequential or bifilar .

I changes something if I were to connect it likle crux_wfc , then it would short out . Since your step up ir rather low 1:14 , for me this is no good since my step-up is 100:1+

So yes , this image does prove that your crux_wfc connection is wrong , thx for confirming .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 19:52:09 pm
that coil winding you say is not figure 6-1 is IN FACT THE WINDING CONFIGURATION FOR FIGURE 6-1.....stop looking at pictures and read.

the image does not prove crux wrong at all.

there are apparently 2 ways to do this or stan would have never put both version in the patent.

i have tried them all now......with no success.

i am still trying though in case i am overlooking something.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/opposing.jpg)

every image and the text proves your windings are incorrect to be seperated as they are.....unless it is connnected as crux's configuration.

why do you run from your problems.
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 20:09:53 pm
As expected , this only confirms what demartin was saying .

So in this new light , plz identify the caracteristics of both .

If its connected as crux ,so be it... It must be seperate . If its connected in phase ,no difference whatsoever , its just easier to wind like this .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 20:40:16 pm
well here is something i noticed with the 2 different types of connections.......the 2 opposing ones may might be used if you have 2 seperate chokes on something like a U-I core.....together they might alter the magnetic field the same way as winding both of them together bifilar in phase......

do you understand what im saying?

another thing to take into consideration since you will be winding them seperately is that you are going for the opposing resonant charging choke configuration.......if you think so or not.......now how will you wind the wires?......they cannot both be wound say clockwise......one has to be clockwise nad one counter clockwise......and then you have to consider the magnetic orientation it will create.

i have tried both demartins connections still with no definate results.......i am going to go over it again.....it seems that if you are to use the opposing polarity method the wires cannot be bifilar wrap or they will short when voltage amplitude is increased beyond the enamels levels.

but if you are to use the bifilar spiral wound method the polarities have to be in sync.

just as in demartins photos.

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 20:53:07 pm
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1026.msg10409/topicseen.html#msg10409

Yes , I also wonder about the sense of the rotation of the magnetic flux , is coil 10-3b different than coil 10-3a ??

I will test with particles in water and see how they turn , I am not fully understanding this .

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 21:04:17 pm
Right current arrow should point down in both configurations
or does it??
right hand rule proves me right, but voltage difference between ground and negative (current from high (0v) to low (-v) ) proves you right.
am a bit lost lol

Put a hv wire in some water with dirt n stuff in it .

Particles will follow direction , w/e it is .

We then design our cell with this in mind , the current must be opposing direction but also the rotation the the magnetic flux .

Remember that Zeropointunlimited had his stuff connected in opposite way , this is like if we connected both ends of our coil to a single tube .

One wire connected one side , other wire connected the other side .

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 19:37:36 pm
I dont understand , wish I knew more ....

I will comment and say that this image is confusing ...

Also , the norths are aligned when bifilar
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 19:52:31 pm
If you don't mind:

pls comment.


Alan and others,

From my experience, and that from others experiences, i can tell you that the + and - are NOT going into the coil from the SAME site of the coil.
See my drawing.
I also added a diode, which can be very helpfull.
The ground was in my case , switched by a FET and timer circuit.

Br
Steve


Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 20:14:53 pm
Alan,

You are looking at an abstract drawing from a patent.....
My setup gave me the step-up charging ramps, like Stan drawed in his patents.

SteveI
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 20:18:30 pm
The aiding connection always gives production , shitty production tho . Especially with the s/s wire .

The magic is not going on with the aiding connection ,  when you use copper wire with bigger awg , suprise surprise the production goes up .

But it always sucks when measured against brute force .

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 20:41:11 pm
Ok simple question, I'm looking for clarification. 
Ive seen images were both the secondary and 1 bifilar are both conneted to grounded (earth)
I've seen images were the secondary and bilfilar are connect but isolated with no ground (floating)
So my .02 cent question is to ground or not to ground?

Thanks,
BW
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 21:40:24 pm
I'd say thats a good interpretation .

Norths will be aligned with either connection .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 22:01:39 pm
Look at the dot orientation in the very first picture on the previous page,  the dots don't follow the magnetic field induced by the primary.
Instead it points towards the induced north by the current fed from the secondary.

If this is also true for 7-1, then the mutual bifilar fields are aiding, but both are opposing the primary induced field.

Those dots mean nothing @ all , they are just dots on a multi trillion dollar technology .

They mean something to the eyes of the observer .

To me it looks like when the voltage of one is + , the other's direction is opposing to that , thus opposing and cancellling @ the cell . . Just like waveform 10-5 , and apparently , as Minde has told me , there is a LC resonant network  with choke and cell even when voltages cancel out . This confirms what demartin was saying .

Quote form Minde:

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I am currently working on tunning of wfc system. I cannot get unipolar voltage "step-up" waves with my bifilar. I do get a resonance with some +100/-100 peak-to-peak but those waves are bipolar :(( I wonder if single bifilar coil usage is total bs? If I make connection otherwise I cannot get it resonate to such a hi votage. Should I use 2 chokes instead like patent says? I have all instruments needed could anyone help please!?

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This is also the only way , where water stays totally cold because there is never any amp flow .





Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 22:24:07 pm
Did demartin say that in his video or wrote it somewhere?
He just dumps power in the wfc, or else the lightbulb wouldn't be lit, don't you think?
Later on he connects the other side of the second choke: no light and some bubbles, now what would happen when voltage rises? Maybe this is it instead.

Quote
VIC Coil Assembly (580) of Figure (6-1) as to (690) of  Figure (7-8) in reference to
Schematic Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) is constructed in such a way as to rotate and position
Inductor Coils (26 - 52 - 56 - 62) to be of the same electromagnetic polarity orientation (as seen by the coil, or as induced by the current through coil??), indicator
mark  (e)
(???) ...  thus, allowing Inductance Fields (FL1 - FL2 - FL3 - FL4) to be aiding one another
during the same sequence of pulse-time (T1) ... thereby, allowing Inductance Charging Effect (660)
of Figure (7-5) and Resonant Voltage Effect (670) of Figure (7-6) to interact with  the dielectric
properties of water (Re) to cause and inhibit electron flow (IF) since "electrons" magnetic 
field (547) of Figure (5-9) locks onto the electromagnetic fields of each energized choke coils
(FL1/FL2) during Voltage Excitation (Vo -Vn) which, now, brings on and allows "Electron
Bounce Phenomenon" (700) of Figure (7-9) to take place.

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 22:36:57 pm
He said it here , @ overunity.com

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3079.msg73430#msg73430
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 23:53:04 pm
I agree, more watts always give more bubbles, perhaps the countering fields setup less bubbles, but more efficiently.
I have yet to see a single circuit by Meyer with fields aiding, have you experimented with countering fields, Steve?

Well, i tried with 2 positives fields. Meaning plus 5 volts and plus 30V...

br
Steve
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 00:00:54 am
fields aiding.
Is it interpreted correctly?

Yes. Looks good to me.

Steve
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 00:12:03 am
The Rabbit Hole goes very very deep .

Hdemartin was a smat guy thats 4 sure , where he is now I dunno ...

Guy seems to have totally dissapeared .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 01:53:35 am
There is also a good post on page 67 of that thread .

where are these ppl nobody knows , 2curious4wfc also isnt posting anymore .

Smart ppl who made progress and are not posting their findings ?

Perhaps ...

Obviously these ppl knew what they were talking about .

That connection isnt working well with the s/s wire from what I hear .
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 05:04:25 am
Hello everyone....My name is Joshua Williams, most of you know me as ZeroPointUnlimited  ;)
I believe I have cracked the Theory/missing pieces of Meyer's system.

I will call it "Reverse Electrolysis" so we can all begin to understand it....this is an attempt to explain it.

Remember these points...
1.Voltage does the work
2. Resonance is crucial
3. According to witnesses the temp. stays at room temp or lower
4. The gasses are IONIZED!! and subsequently MAGNETIC
These are the 4 most important KEYS to remember when trying to unlock this mystery.

Let me also start by saying it's important to understand these terms

MOLECULE="A sufficiently stable, electrically neutral group of at least two atoms in a definite arrangement held together by very strong chemical bonds"
DIELECTRIC= An Insulating material having as close to balanced or neutral charge across the MOLECULE as possible making it NON CONDUCTIVE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric)
POLARIZATION=The phenomena of an opposite charge being created when a voltage is brought "NEAR" something...NOT TOUCHING with a Dielectric between
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/182690/electric-polarization (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/182690/electric-polarization)
ION=A Molecule or Atom having an imbalance in charge (either more or less electrons then protons) Which results in either a net + or - over all charge. ex...Copper is stable (non conducting) in its natural form of Copper Oxide/Sulfide, but, has a surplus of -electrons as pure copper......It's important to realize that only Ions conduct current.
 


Now we must understand what work voltage can, and, in fact does. I have found that the work voltage does in all circuits is polarization. Think static electricity or lightning. If you bring a voltage potential (+ or -) near a piece of matter w/o touching it, it will polarize an opposite charge on the object's surface molecules near the voltage. This action is the primary cause of electricity. For example;  Lightning happens because there is a large -electron charge in the outer IONosphere, this charge is relayed across the insulating air gap (clouds etc) to polarize the ground positive. This Action orientates the airs molecules too, and, once the charge build up is high enough it breaks the air down and conducts the huge charge....et viola LIGHTNING!
SO USING THIS EXAMPLE VOLTAGE DOES WORK BY ALIGNING/POLARIZING MOLECULAR CHARGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We must now understand WHY Resonance is crucial, and, resonance can be explained as simple as pushing someone in a swing. Lets say the pusher is an input current pulsing a transformer primary, the transformer is the swing, and the swinger is the output of the transformer secondary. When I push the event starts...the person swings out, then back in, and back out. This is called an oscillation, if I were to stop at one push it would continue, but, slowly die down, the same as a pulse in a transformer. If I push at the right time as the person is going back out, then they would go higher. If I were to to do it every time the output would reach it's highest level, and you can think back to ur childhood....it is the easiest (least effort) way to push someone.
SO RESONANCE IS TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST ENERGY LEVEL OUTPUT FOR THE LEAST INPUT ENERGY!!!! (correct timing)

Now I will apply this to Meyer's system and explain the significance of the last two points.

If you have done much research into Meyer's system you will have undoubtedly read/heard the term "Water Capacitor" and heard him say the phrase "Water as part of the dielectric"....and like wise you must know about the EEC or Electron Extraction Circuit.
It may be obvious to you by now, it may not...here it is.
The WFC applies a huge voltage potential across the water, the resonant pulse is the charging pulse, to bring the voltage across the WFC to maximum. The gating pulse disconnects the input, while turning on the EEC to bleed off the charge....BUT...TO BLEED IT OFF THE WATER!!!!!! IN A SEPARATE CIRCUIT!!
So you charge the water capacitor up, then REROUTE THE IMPLIED CHARGE OF THE WATER (ELECTRONS) THROUGH A CIRCUIT! This reroutes some of the water's electrons and releases gasses. But, most importantly, IONIC GASSES

 It's the only way the gasses could be ions like Meyer's text/images say....because if the water were allowed to touch the electrodes (electrolysis) they give up their charge and become neutral as they hit the opposite electrodes. This explains much, like how Naudin got bubbles all though he says an electrode is insulated. This is why Meyer's said the water was PART of the di-electric. One terminal (+) must be insulated, this allows water to charge negatively, you must then open a path to the positive through a separate circuit (EEC)...rerouting electrons from the water...w/o closing the input circuit, so energy cost is only the cost to pulse the coil...not flow current through the WFC!!!

I hope I explained it well enough....and if not please ask questions
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 05:37:37 am
Welcome to ioniuzationx.com Joshua .

I'll go straight to the point . O and I didnt modify your post , for some reason it says I did ...

#1 , was that little choke in your video a 1:1 ration , how was it connected , how should the bifilar be connected ?  Should they even be a bifilar ??

#2 You are saying a coating is necessary ? I have Dynodon is telling me he saw nothing but maybe there was an invisilble layer of something ?

#3 You said something in one of your videos , that when you "connected the positive and negative of the primary" and this created neutrinos ? How was your primary connected and how was it getting pulsed ? Plz go deeper with this

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 06:13:46 am
Hello Dankie,

I am assuming you are speaking about the videos in which I step charge caps with just a 555...if so let me clarify.

1. Yes the coil is a 1:1 choke I recycled....I don't know the exact values sorry (will work w/o it)

2. I am unsure which coating you mean...please specify what u are talking about....(If it's about Meyer, I believe Meyer's needs insulation on an electrode...if you are talking bout the effect in the video of me making high energy Arcs....then YES the electrodes need what Bearden calls a "Degenerative Semiconductor"...what I called corrosion. It won't work w/o it

3. Any time you connect + and - they neutralize and release energy. Take for instance -acid (vinegar)  and + base (baking soda)...when they combine they release a lot of energy and leave u with a neutralized solution....same thing when we connect  + and - poles of electricity (arcs)...I believe they release small particles physics calls neutrinos...not to be confused with neutrons. It was just a thought really, maybe they are aether particle Idk.

As for the primary...you need to specify which video.

If you are talking about the ADP adapter and MOT I was just pulsing through the primary to create a self inductant rise in voltage and give me the bounce effect of iron core (inductance)

If you are talking about the 555 timer step charging caps....that was just straight output from 555 into the coil primary. Nothing else, no amplifier stage....straight 555 powering 5kv neon sign transformer LOW POWER!! The secondary was full wave rectified.

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 06:49:11 am
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1027.0.html

In this post , this video . Step charge...Smaller capacitor... Perhaps you would like to add all videos in that thread , theres a few videos I missed Alan told me .

Yes I was talking about the electrodes being coated .

Sorry for so being un-specific .


Also , plz clarify once and for all to everybody , wich is the correct connection .

Plz ignore the pink coil and diode of one of the images , look only @ the VIC
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 07:12:06 am
In that video the tube-set electrodes in the cup of water were not hooked up. It is straight 555 output into the primary coil, nothing else.
Sorry if you were confused...I used the capacitor as a stand in for the WFC because the WFC is WAY TOO LEAKY without insulation. (Naudin Solved this by insulating an electrode as per my suggestion... He stated after insulating the electrode "I now see the step charge effect")


The neutrino comment was my initial interpretation of the magnetic field. I believed the magnetic field was a directional flow of neutrinos ( I am not worried about naming it anymore....only interested in the effects)

I can produce this step-charge now very easily...in fact, this is my best step charge circuit yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI8GJ82w9bo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI8GJ82w9bo)
The mechanical action gives a much more crisp off time and uses about the same power as the 555  12v @ around 20-40ma ;)
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 07:25:24 am
In that video the tube-set electrodes in the cup of water were not hooked up. It is straight 555 output into the primary coil, nothing else.
Sorry if you were confused...I used the capacitor as a stand in for the WFC because the WFC is WAY TOO LEAKY without insulation. (Naudin Solved this by insulating an electrode as per my suggestion... He stated after insulating the electrode "I now see the step charge effect")


The neutrino comment was my initial interpretation of the magnetic field. I believed the magnetic field was a directional flow of neutrinos ( I am not worried about naming it anymore....only interested in the effects)

I can produce this step-charge now very easily...in fact, this is my best step charge circuit yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI8GJ82w9bo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI8GJ82w9bo)
The mechanical action gives a much more crisp off time and uses about the same power as the 555  12v @ around 20-40ma ;)

Thx for saying this , somebody I know also told me so use SCR's instead . Feel so bad for doubting him , but I was gonna try it ...

What if the water was just purified ? This coating stuff is gonna get $$ and complicated , this coating , have you tried it ?

I see you have answered my question about the connection, sorry hassling you .


Yes , I know your water cell was just there as decoration and not connected to anything .

So this charge that was in the capacitor was from where ? It came from where ? The Vacuum ether ???



Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 07:54:54 am
bump
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 08:12:37 am
The coating of the tubes can be very primitive to test, something like waterproof acrylic paint??...Idk still testing. Naudin used a sheet of clear adhesive backed tape.

Purifying the water would work at first....but water self ionizes making it conduct..I am still testing

The charge in the capacitor was from the inductive Kick Backs of the square wave...research what Bedini is calling Negative Energy (These spikes)
I can attest to the odd nature of it....why he is calling it "Negative" Energy...I prefer the term "Cold" Electricity.

I don't think I could properly explain everything right now....I need to write it out and compile some sort of "lesson" or presentation that ties it all together. Maybe something on here?? I will work on it and some more videos...because I have found some things that would blow your mind if you could add it all up.

I have found that "They" know it all, and are using bits and pieces of this technology in other aspects....for instance, you should research Plasmonics ;)
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 11:57:05 am
Hello Joshua, glad to see you here.

This has been on my mind for some time:
the displacement current that polarizes the dielectric water produces a magnetic field, because charges do move - now, doesn't this always oppose the cause of the movement - the dipole - and kill it?
- Now, I think I answered it partly below: the dipole is negative energy, which kills the water instead.
Seriously, the ionic current caused by the radiant spikes will cause ionic collision, dissociating water further - as quoted by Meyer:
Quote
Water bath atoms (93a xxx 93n) having missing electrons (92) take-on a positive electrical charged (95) which is
subject to and moved by negative electrical force (UU');
whereby, the liberated and free floating negative charge electrons (92) are subject to and move by positive electrical force (TT').
Applied together, electrical forces (TT') and (UU'), now, causes these moving electrically charged particles to
superimpose a physical impact unto electrical polarization process
(160), as shown in (170) of Figure (3-
25) ... thereby, increasing gas-yield (88) still further.
This wouldn't happen with an EEC on the water bath, as he stated in the NZ lecture.

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The mot/adp setup shows an interesting effect, what did it do? 'pulsecharging' or intensifying the flux density?
If so, did it produce a stepping voltage?

more q's to come  8)
thanks

to continue my own theoretic research about the coil setup:
I believe there always has to be a single countering field, to simulate self inductance, but induced by another coil, - (mutual inductance?):
- in the vic, with both transformer and bifilar on a single (toroidal or I) core: the primary induced field opposes the field in the bifilar, thus opposes the current, but not voltage from building up (don't know if this happens, but I want this to happen).
- in the stand alone bifilar without a transformer on its core, like demartins setup, first pics in this thread, same story.

I also did think the pulses are positrons / radiant / negative / cold energy spikes, this can only happen when all current and energy is consumed by the chokes.
These video's show it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum

Now what did Bedini say? the negative energy charge on the battery produces an ionic current in the battery, what causes it to recharge it - while maintaining the dipole in the first place?
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2009, 23:14:54 pm
@Alan
Hello, glad to be here...

The act of Polarization does in fact always oppose the cause of movement. That is why you get opposite charges when polarized.
However, this work can be done w/o any currents of the conventional type. It can be done with static electricity...

As for the EEC you are correct the collisions would be prevented by rerouting the high speed electrons to a separate circuit.

...
The MOT/adp setup was measured by me and a third party....I don't know if you have seen the video where I ran a motor and water cell from it...but, we both measured an EXTRA .5 watts on the output side.
What was happening, was that the adp power supply was tricked into resonance with the coil....the output from the ADP was a ramp wave biased +....so it never fell to ground state. This energized the MOT coil and created back surges when the ramp waves collapsed... It only worked with a "corrosion" layer on the contact terminals. This is Bearden's "Degenerative Semi-conductor"...


As for your theoretical research keep going... there are indeed large back spikes in the Meyer setup provided by the pulsing of the VIC....The chokes do not "consume" anything....they create a large capacitive/magnetic field that "holds" the electrons....(electrons being - they are effected by magnetic fields)

I would encourage everyone to read as many Tesla patents as possible....Meyer applied Tesla's "Radiant" energy patent to water. I will elaborate more with pics and stuff later...for now I gtg later.
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2009, 15:10:45 pm
"consumed" as in stored: all the electric power supplied by the source will be stored into the coils, it won't or should not leak into the wfc.

since energy is stored in the water by the "free" polarization, without delivering the energy, it will siphon energy from the environment to stabilize?

http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/tesla_energy.htm
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2009, 19:03:27 pm
Radiant_1 , plz tell us more about "Degenative semi-conductors" . Do we need this for Meyers ?

So what Bearden is saying is not always bull ?

Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2009, 23:34:33 pm
A degenerate semiconductor is a semiconductor with such a high doping-level that the material starts to act more like a metal than as a semiconductor.

At moderate doping levels the dopant atoms create individual doping levels that can often be considered as localized states that can donate electrons or holes by thermal promotion (or an optical transition)(maybe silicon can do thiat?) to the conduction or valence bands respectively. At high enough impurity concentrations the individual impurity atoms may become close enough neighbors that their doping levels merge into an impurity band and the behavior of such a system ceases to show the typical traits of a semiconductor, e.g. its increase in conductivity with temperature. On the other hand a degenerate semiconductor still has far fewer charge carriers than a true metal so that its behavior is in many ways intermediary between semiconductor and metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_semiconductor


i want to bring up somthin i was mentioning a while back.. stans brother stephen mentions that stainless goes through a cold rolled process and he said the result is little trianlgles of some sorts in the structure.. if you think about it a snowflakes shape is a hexagon.. hexagons can be made from triangles.. if you were to establish 3 lines around the water compound it would form a triangle..

and can the silicon create optical transistions in the stainless material... ? i read somewhere that stainless holds a lay of ozone over it as a skin thats the main reason it resists wheather corosion i think. but i think the silicon in the steel is what creates this effect and it is only active in presence of light? idk just a thought.
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2009, 00:07:15 am
A degenerate semiconductor is a semiconductor with such a high doping-level that the material starts to act more like a metal than as a semiconductor.

At moderate doping levels the dopant atoms create individual doping levels that can often be considered as localized states that can donate electrons or holes by thermal promotion (or an optical transition)(maybe silicon can do thiat?) to the conduction or valence bands respectively. At high enough impurity concentrations the individual impurity atoms may become close enough neighbors that their doping levels merge into an impurity band and the behavior of such a system ceases to show the typical traits of a semiconductor, e.g. its increase in conductivity with temperature. On the other hand a degenerate semiconductor still has far fewer charge carriers than a true metal so that its behavior is in many ways intermediary between semiconductor and metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_semiconductor


i want to bring up somthin i was mentioning a while back.. stans brother stephen mentions that stainless goes through a cold rolled process and he said the result is little trianlgles of some sorts in the structure.. if you think about it a snowflakes shape is a hexagon.. hexagons can be made from triangles.. if you were to establish 3 lines around the water compound it would form a triangle..

and can the silicon create optical transistions in the stainless material... ? i read somewhere that stainless holds a lay of ozone over it as a skin thats the main reason it resists wheather corosion i think. but i think the silicon in the steel is what creates this effect and it is only active in presence of light? idk just a thought.

IDK either , but I think Radiant was talking more about this for the cold fusion ...
Title: Re: New idea
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 15, 2009, 13:01:36 pm
R_1's cold fusion:
www.nuenergy.org/pdf/PROTELF_VALLEE.PDF