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Title: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 18:59:22 pm
okay guys, i'm going to do another try.
same 4 tubes, spaced by hot glue, gap is between 1mm and 1,5mm, 32cm long.
i have a conventional toroidal transformer from 2x12 (series: 24V) to 230V and an iron core transformer from 26 to 230V, will use one of them.
my pulse generator is a mikrocontroller atmega system capable of putting out pulses from 0 to 8Mhz in 1024 steps. Duty cycle 0 to 100%. i just need to finish the casing.
i have wound a bifilar coil with each having an inductivity of 1,23mH, if they are connected tesla-style i have an inductivity of 5,26mH.

My setup will be:
Pulse generator -> 12V to 30V going into transformer -> ~200V into rectifier -> coil in -> water cap -> opposite coil

i'll post some updates and photos soon.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2009, 20:28:41 pm
Ok, Haithar,

Looking forward to your findings with yr processor.

br
Steve
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2009, 14:54:21 pm
Hi there, interesting project you got. Since last time I believe also the spacers, hanging device and the gap is very important and the thickness and length of your pipes. You are doing well though and need some optimism. COP is not so important I believe, HHO production is only one part of the story getting an engine running.


Good luck!

Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 16, 2009, 23:04:09 pm
i had some ideas while watching a parallel resonant circuit.

watch closely at 400 Hz.
(http://a.imagehost.org/0608/parani.gif)
now i wanted to see if it is possible that two lights glow intensely while the one is glowing very dim, indicating a minimum in power input into the circuit.

that is indeed possible if all bulbs are identical! the resistance of the whole circuit is in resonance R = 1.5 * Rbulb (it's a maximum),
which means it's larger than the one bulb alone but lighting three, two of them very intense. The current through cap and coil cancel each other out.

now let's see if there could be any use for a water fuel cell which needs current for electrolysis.

the important thing with a water capacitor is the leaking as an ohmic resistance which is measurable as current with dc voltage. this resistance has to be very large and coil and cap have to be tuned to ensure a high Q rating.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 17, 2009, 01:25:50 am
good you are getting the right track

Visit my project section and check it:
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 17, 2009, 03:24:52 am
i had some ideas while watching a parallel resonant circuit.

watch closely at 400 Hz.
(http://a.imagehost.org/0608/parani.gif)
now i wanted to see if it is possible that two lights glow intensely while the one is glowing very dim, indicating a minimum in power input into the circuit.

that is indeed possible if all bulbs are identical! the resistance of the whole circuit is in resonance R = 1.5 * Rbulb (it's a maximum),
which means it's larger than the one bulb alone but lighting three, two of them very intense. The current through cap and coil cancel each other out.

now let's see if there could be any use for a water fuel cell which needs current for electrolysis.

the important thing with a water capacitor is the leaking as an ohmic resistance which is measurable as current with dc voltage. this resistance has to be very large and coil and cap have to be tuned to ensure a high Q rating.

Nice Post @ Outlaw.

Also, Haithar The fuel cell is a load when connected, Meaning it is a resistor. It restricts amps. However, It is also a capacitor since it holds a brief low voltage charge. The fuel cell is much like a capacitor and resistor in parallel.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2009, 18:17:18 pm
i guess so, but in all equivalent circuit diagrams i've seen the dielectric losses are arranged as a resistor in series, only the losses over-time which lead to self-discharge are arranged parallel.
well there is no doubt that even at dc there is current flowing through the capacitor, that must be minimized in order to get a high Q rating.

i'll read your posts again sebosfato
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2009, 05:42:07 am
What did you think about? Did you understood that the complex impedance of a parallel resonant circuit at the frequency stanley stated could perfectly have about 40Megaohms of resistance thus use about 1ma for 40kv as i said?

Thanks for reading
this is your luck day, believe
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2009, 15:17:13 pm
even if it was like that, stanley does not have a parallel resonant circuit but a series circuit.
how should there be any current "recirculating" (as you call it)?

or is the bifilar coil your parallel lc-circuit?
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2009, 16:59:10 pm
sebosfato, can you elaborate about the parallel circuit in a stanley meyers setup?
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2009, 23:06:09 pm
If you check well my project section you will see that i explained this very well...
 ;)

I need to make more tests on this using also two coils or bifilar coils i already have but more parts are needed and i have 0 money anyway i'm trying to get some investors to finish it here. I got many interest around here.. .

It could be series resonance in the middle of a parallel resonance maybe the series coil serves to get around of the dielectric proprieties of water... when in parallel it develop a very high impedance for input this mean that it behave like a capacitor (actually like an AC battery that can accumulate many KWatts of power) that when is charged will have less capacity to fill so very very high input impedance is developed, in series on XL XC cancel each other and so you will have at resonance 0 impedance because the impedance of the capacitor is negative value and that from the inductor is positive.

Nice to see you want to learn

I left everything there and on the link to stanley meyer the true on energeticforum you find everything on my project section
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2009, 15:24:23 pm
$ 1 5.0E-6 10.20027730826997 50 5.0 50
R 336 112 336 16 0 0 40.0 60.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
r 336 112 336 160 0 1.0
w 336 160 432 160 0
w 336 160 272 160 0
w 272 160 272 240 0
w 432 160 432 192 0
r 432 192 432 240 0 10.0
c 272 240 272 304 0 1.0E-5 -5.3906400123737015
l 432 240 432 304 0 1.0 0.2013709064857632
w 272 304 336 304 0
w 336 304 336 336 0
w 336 304 432 304 0
r 336 336 336 384 0 1.0
f 240 400 336 400 0 1.5
g 336 416 336 448 0
R 240 400 192 400 0 5 50.23 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
d 336 416 336 384 1 0.805904783
w 432 160 512 160 0
w 432 240 512 240 0
c 512 160 512 240 0 1.0000000000000001E-11 2.0137094598755425
o 12 64 0 289 0.078125 0.8 0 -1
o 6 64 0 289 1.25 0.4 1 -1
o 6 64 0 34 5.0 0.2 2 -1
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2009, 15:36:12 pm
$ 1 5.0E-6 10.20027730826997 50 5.0 50
r 480 112 480 160 0 1.0
w 480 160 416 160 0
w 416 160 416 240 0
r 576 192 576 240 0 5.0
c 416 240 416 304 0 1.0E-5 44.81433375855282
l 576 240 576 304 0 0.1 0.17927179349726774
w 416 304 480 304 0
w 480 304 480 336 0
w 480 304 576 304 0
r 480 336 480 384 0 1.0
f 384 400 480 400 0 1.5
g 480 416 480 448 0
R 384 400 336 400 0 5 159.0 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
d 480 416 480 384 1 0.805904783
d 576 192 576 160 1 0.805904783
d 544 160 544 192 1 0.805904783
r 544 192 544 240 0 5.0
w 544 240 576 240 0
w 480 160 544 160 0
w 544 160 576 160 0
d 480 64 480 112 1 0.805904783
R 480 64 416 64 0 0 40.0 48.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
o 9 64 0 289 0.15625 0.2 0 -1
o 3 64 0 289 2.5 0.8 1 -1
o 3 64 0 290 2.5 0.8 2 -1
o 16 64 0 33 2.5 0.8 3 -1
o 16 64 0 34 2.5 0.8 4 -1
o 21 64 1 291 10.0 9.765625E-5 5 -1
o 16 64 1 35 5.0 9.765625E-5 6 -1
o 3 64 1 35 1.25 9.765625E-5 7 -1


this would be sufficient to build in reality.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2009, 15:47:36 pm
very nice simulation look at with much attention
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2009, 16:00:53 pm
The only problem I see is that it has not opposite potential in sync.

br
Webmug
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 23, 2009, 10:39:30 am
The only problem I see is that it has not opposite potential in sync.

br
Webmug
this would be conventional electrolysis. as you see there are only ~2V at the tubes.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2009, 12:05:23 pm
does anyone know what the pulse width for a square wave generator set to "pulse" in the circuit simulator is? 20%?

edit: i guess it's 25% or 90° or pi/2.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2009, 16:30:03 pm
If your talking about the input/output square wave simply right click on it and you can change all of its varibles... Voltage/pulse rate etc etc...
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2009, 16:42:48 pm
I also could not find the pulse duty cycle settings. But you can use duty cycle in the square wave, only you must make a offset.
Example:  Vpp= 10V, Vmax=10V, Vmin=0V, DU=10%
Settings: Select waveform "Square Wave", Max Volt=5, Freq=100Hz, DC offset(V)=5, Duty cycle=10%

br,
webmug
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2009, 17:01:27 pm
Pulse is: Square Wave Generator then there is a dropdown box where you can choose "Pulse", this eliminates the negative parts of the square wave but the duty cycle cannot be changed.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 29, 2009, 05:31:14 am
on the circuit simulator from this site
http://www.ionizationx.com/circuit/index.html
i get these option in the square wave gen
MAX VOLT
WAVEFORM
FREQUENCY
DC OFFSET VOLT
PHASE OFFSET
DUTY CYCLE

Might be a better option for your circuit then the pulses.
Title: Re: My new approach
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 29, 2009, 11:48:08 am
Yes the waveform can be pulse, but then the duty cycle is not adjustable anymore. The positive thing is that you do not need a diode after the generator because there is only positive voltage.

see images