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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Stanleys Alternator => Topic started by: Donaldwfc on April 09, 2009, 06:48:48 am

Title: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2009, 06:48:48 am
This thing interested me right from the start, I didn't really understand it until today, but i always thought it was neat. Why did stan invent it? Should I build one? I looks like a better alternator and thats it? what was it really doing?

I was reading the patent again, and I was looking closer at how it worked, and I noticed a few things, but they didn't really click.

Then tonight I was at a friends place and I started explaining everything to him, and he asked a single thing that made all the pieces fall into place.

He asked "does it increase the watts?"

I said no, just the voltage... and bam.

Everything about the Electrical Pulse Generator fell into place. Go read the patent, see if you can see what's going on.




The Electrical Pulse Generator is:
-an improvement on the alternator.
-a voltage multiplier
-a pulsed input provides a pulsed output
-a current limiter

The Electrical Pulse Generator does everything the VIC does, take the output from it and attach it to your tubes, and i bet you'll be splitting water right away.
Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2009, 09:10:30 am
 sure you get gas, but only as much as the total amps provide.
Nothing more.

br
steve
Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2009, 20:52:20 pm
i bet you can run the drive pulley off of a turbine that is powered by the gas pressure, there are no opposing magnetic fields so this thing should spin as free as the bearings will let it. you will just have to kick-start it off of a small motor.

Also it wont be the amps doing the work, this will restrict amps, you put 40 watts into the EPG, at 12 volts, that leaves 3.3 amps, then you pull the voltage up to what ever you want, 20,000 volts, that'll leave you with 0.002 amps going to the cell, this accomplishes exactly what the VIC does, except it doesn't need electrical resonance, and you don't need a diode or ss wire. you can wrap the little bobbins with thin copper wire, say 0.005", and do 1000 turns per bobbin, 36 bobbins per layer, at least 4 layers, that could be 144,000 turns just from the bobbins, not to mention the two secondaries. this thing can definitely produce high voltage and restrict amps. and send pulses to the cell, what more do you need?

sure the vic coil is probably cheaper and easier to make, once you know exactly how to build it, but this thing would work no matter how you built it as long as you aimed for high voltage.
Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 11:30:37 am

Yes, and with two of these you will get  20.000 Volts easy.. ;D


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Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 14:53:03 pm
i bet you can run the drive pulley off of a turbine that is powered by the gas pressure, there are no opposing magnetic fields so this thing should spin as free as the bearings will let it. you will just have to kick-start it off of a small motor.

Also it wont be the amps doing the work, this will restrict amps, you put 40 watts into the EPG, at 12 volts, that leaves 3.3 amps, then you pull the voltage up to what ever you want, 20,000 volts, that'll leave you with 0.002 amps going to the cell, this accomplishes exactly what the VIC does, except it doesn't need electrical resonance, and you don't need a diode or ss wire. you can wrap the little bobbins with thin copper wire, say 0.005", and do 1000 turns per bobbin, 36 bobbins per layer, at least 4 layers, that could be 144,000 turns just from the bobbins, not to mention the two secondaries. this thing can definitely produce high voltage and restrict amps. and send pulses to the cell, what more do you need?

sure the vic coil is probably cheaper and easier to make, once you know exactly how to build it, but this thing would work no matter how you built it as long as you aimed for high voltage.

What we need more?
We need just 1 sign.
That sign must be that HV does work and not amps.

Till that moment.....

To be honest, i just had one of my many brainfarts too.
HV or Static voltage has different rules if you talk about conduction.
Maybe we should start a topic on that?

br
Steve
Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2009, 18:01:10 pm
well i think it still needs to be pulsed voltage going to the cell

it's clear stan developed this as an improvement to the alternator method, before he got right into the fancy VIC coil, and he doesn't mention this invention anywhere that comes to mind right now, although he has two things that could be called the "EPG" so there could be a bit of confusion there. another point is that he invented the electrical particle generator before the electrical pulse generator.

anyway, this generator would have lots of other applications as well, you could attach it to a windmill, to generate electricity with a lot less resistance, or a normal gasoline generator to get a lot more electricity out.

it also shows that the pulsing is probably required for the resonance inside the resonant cavity and not for the electronics.
Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 15:38:39 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture33.png)

Power supply... new uses... [splitting water]... placed a need for more sophisticated systems.

One *particular* utilization ... [splitting water]... power transfer to the utilization device... [VIC or WFC] ... requirement that there be power isolation.

SRCs, Triacs and the such appeared to be an obvious solution to such a power transfer. Current limiting circuits were also developed. Unfortunately, the solution was not met. [Note to self, do not waste time with SRCs and Triacs]

The electronic devices in most instances could not limit or tolerate high power. [Blown mosfets ring a bell?]

... this type of current limiting requirement necessitated electrical power supplies - not electrical.

A very uneffective device is the auto alternator... [The Rotary VIC???]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture34.png)

[This is the real Rotary VIC]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture36.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture37.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture38.png)

*operable* [HE BUILT THIS, AND DREW IT IN THE PATENT]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture39.png)

[Variable frequency by variable drive speed]
[Variable output voltage amplitude by constant drive speed and DC pulsing]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture41.png)

[Infinite Current??? a) dead short condition, b) series resonance]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture42.png)

[What on earth is he talking about idling an automobile for? Ah yes... Variable voltage output controls gas production... which controls engine speeds]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture44.png)

[current limiting voltage source... how do you limit current in a dead short condition? ... to allow voltage to take over and perform the work of splitting the water molecule]


Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 19:05:43 pm
current limiting voltage source... how do you limit current in a dead short condition? ... to allow voltage to take over and perform the work of splitting the water molecule]


well from what i understand a choke is what restricts current.. to restrict current you must hold back electrons... the more winds on a choke the more lag in current because the emf of the choke will try to retain the electrons..

Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 23:26:43 pm
If you see how this EPG works then you'll see that each layer is coupled to the next layer ONLY by electromagnetic fields, and the proceeding layers are NOT grounded, thus it is impossible to draw more current than is induced. The dead short could be asking for 30 Amps, but the source is only providing mili-amps... mili-amps is all it gets.

Thus current is limited, Chokes can restrict it further, if you look in the TB you'll see their are chokes in the Rotary VIC schematic.
Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 04, 2009, 07:46:26 am
i bet you can run the drive pulley off of a turbine that is powered by the gas pressure, there are no opposing magnetic fields so this thing should spin as free as the bearings will let it. you will just have to kick-start it off of a small motor.

Also it wont be the amps doing the work, this will restrict amps, you put 40 watts into the EPG, at 12 volts, that leaves 3.3 amps, then you pull the voltage up to what ever you want, 20,000 volts, that'll leave you with 0.002 amps going to the cell, this accomplishes exactly what the VIC does, except it doesn't need electrical resonance, and you don't need a diode or ss wire. you can wrap the little bobbins with thin copper wire, say 0.005", and do 1000 turns per bobbin, 36 bobbins per layer, at least 4 layers, that could be 144,000 turns just from the bobbins, not to mention the two secondaries. this thing can definitely produce high voltage and restrict amps. and send pulses to the cell, what more do you need?

sure the vic coil is probably cheaper and easier to make, once you know exactly how to build it, but this thing would work no matter how you built it as long as you aimed for high voltage.

If this is true,  then all we should need to do for testing/replication purposes,  is to make high voltage pulsed DC,  say 20KV at 2 ma and apply it to a water cell.    Just buy a  20KV lab supply and  attach it to a water cell ......

Sorry  but those that have tried can tell ya .  You  won't make any significant gas that way.       As soon as you hook it to the cell,  the voltage will drop to almost nothing and you will be  lucky to see a couple of small bubbles every 5 minutes.

It would be similar to connecting 20KV @ 2ma across a 10 ohm resistor.   You will read about 20mv across your cell.  

Title: Re: Electrical Pulse Generator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 04, 2009, 23:40:18 pm
Maybe that understanding was off a bit, I said that was months ago when I knew less. I've since reread all the patents, some several times.

But a sound point is, dozens of people have replicated the alternator set up with impressive gas production. This is Stan's own 'improvement on the alternator' designed directly to overcome some inefficiencies of the alternator and to make it specifically useful for the purpose of powering the WFC.

You have seen stock alternators, rewound high voltage alternators, and then this is the next step from that. Of course it is going to produce gas, and it is going to do it a lot better. This is what it was designed to do.