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Title: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 16:23:19 pm
Have had an idea some time and that was/is to use engine waste heat since the thermostat is 92 degree. C 
So i tested a small cell in straight tapwater today with different temperatures and measured the amp consume.

1. Tapwater at 16 degree.C  used steady 0,48 amps and the output was not measured, but output was remembered for the next test.

2. Heated tapwater at over 90 C. to start with and about 75 at end of test. Amp was 0,42 and the gas output was close to doubled according to test number 1.
    The bubbles looked also bigger with hot water.

Hot water reduce amps and give an higher gas output?...

This was interesting :)



 
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 16:57:28 pm
it makes sense.. heat in the water during  a cold process to the water.. the cold process (voltage)is trying to throw the atoms electons out of balance with magnetic forces into a expanded state. the heat in the water is a tempature difference. and heat makes water go further out of balance  into a expanded state.. so that creates 2 relative forces that are enhancing each other and working together??


outlawstc
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:03:50 pm
unless thats a steam resonator you got , the energy you would have to spend to get that water hot is enormous .

Not such a good thing sorry .
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:10:30 pm
unless thats a steam resonator you got , the energy you would have to spend to get that water hot is enormous .

Not such a good thing sorry .


The engine get hot when it is running anyway so i am not spending energy... I'm just using it instead of wasting it.
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:13:47 pm
Amp reducing is the waytogo ;D, and i have two more amp reducing ideas at the moment.
One of them is tested to work fantastic a while ago, and the other is not tested yet because it must be build first and i wonder often why Stan never did this!!!
It is so good it is worth a patent.... and does not exist anywhere because i have invented it.

The long term idea is to combine hot water from engine waste heat with these two new amp reducing ideas and make more hydrogene than ever at a close to zero cost.

I will share my ideas when i got the results for sure and if this forum exist and you are nice to me.



Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:20:55 pm
if you do this at high temperatures then you are going to get water vapor in your gas output, when you are measuring your output be sure to bubble through cold water, this will take water vapor/steam out of the "gas", and give you a more accurate reading, also hot gas is less dense, so after your run it through a cold bubbler to take out the water vapor, the gas volume will shrink because of the lower temperature. if you then figure hot gas is more efficient in burning in the engine, then you can always reheat the gas with the heat from the exhaust.
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:26:45 pm
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The engine get hot when it is running anyway so i am not spending energy... I'm just using it instead of wasting it.
  this is a good example on recycling energy .. but to say you wounder why stan didnt think of it are you sure he didnt? i mean where was his intake manifold located? stan could have had it where the manifold going to the injectors was being heated by radiant  heat from the block..  and he would of know that the induced heat could only further his amplitude before seperation.

outlawstc
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:41:33 pm
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The engine get hot when it is running anyway so i am not spending energy... I'm just using it instead of wasting it.
  this is a good example on recycling energy .. but to say you wounder why Stan didn't think of it are you sure he didn't? i mean where was his intake manifold located? Stan could have had it where the manifold going to the injectors was being heated by radiant heat from the block.. and he would of know that the induced heat could only further his amplitude before separation.

outlawst

Hi Outlawst,

I am agree to what you say, but i am working on two other amp reducing devices that i am surprised Stan didn't think of or anyone else.

Best regards
 
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:47:24 pm
o i see.. interesting.. best of luck
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 18:03:59 pm
if you do this at high temperatures then you are going to get water vapor in your gas output, when you are measuring your output be sure to bubble through cold water, this will take water vapor/steam out of the "gas", and give you a more accurate reading, also hot gas is less dense, so after your run it through a cold bubbler to take out the water vapor, the gas volume will shrink because of the lower temperature. if you then figure hot gas is more efficient in burning in the engine, then you can always reheat the gas with the heat from the exhaust.


There is no water vapor or air bubbles under a heated water surface below boiling point...I am not using steam here.
But i am agree that a cold bubbler test can be done to make a more correct measuring of the output.

Best regards
Title: Re: Possible ways to reduce amps and increase gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 12, 2009, 17:42:38 pm
I discussed using waste heat to improve efficiency in the water fuelforall forums with very little interest shown.
I'm glad to find someone who shares my enthusiasm for this idea WaytoGo.  :)

Exhaust is too hot for using without increasing cell pressure to keep the electrolyte from boiling without some serious and dangerous high pressure engineering.
Using waste exhaust heat to generate steam and then use the steam in a steam engine (air tool) to generate electricity for a cell is another story.

My idea is to put a cell in the engine coolant loop so that the cell is heated/cooled (temp kept constant) buy the the waste heat that is usually dissipated by the radiator.
(keeping the temp constant like this should enable the use of a more efficient 7 or even 8 series cell)
Now you have the issue of the electrolyte boiling.
The way to stop this is to increase the pressure in the cell and then keep it constant while bleading of any excess for use in the engine.
(increased pressure=smaller bubbles=more electrode surface area=better efficiency)
A pressure release valve will do this nicely.
A radiator cap, the same as the one already in your car, is specifically designed to do all the above at the temperatures being used!  ;)
Then to a bubbler; then to the engine behind the airflow meter or carb:

Because you have pressure you dont have to suck in the HHO.
Adding the HHO before the carb or airflow meter means that fuel is being metered for a mixture that already contains its own fuel and the perfect amount of oxidant.

If you are turning your cell's power generator with waste heat -- steam engine/airtool you end up with free HHO!  ;)