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Electrolysis => Electrolysis => Our Alternator => Topic started by: hydro on November 25, 2007, 07:18:46 am

Title: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 07:18:46 am
The alternator on a work bench driven by an 120 volt motor spins well over 1000 rpms!

installation to the car is problematic since the alternator was built around the driver motors rpm's, and not the rpms from the engine. so now the electronics that was built around the driver motor no longer works with the alternator on the car due to lower rpm's.

the factory alternator usually produces a good amount of electricity at around 1000 rpm's or at idle but is still not good enough for the fuel cell. "we need 3k rpm's"

so to solve this problem i have included some pictures, rewiring the alternator will produce over 12 volts at just 180 rpms. i assume the idle speed will now more that triple the output when the alternator has been rewired.

i am not sure of the wire size on the factory alternator, but it is being replaced with 22 awg wire.

it is time for me to rewire my alternator, i will keep you updated.

EDIT, just so you dont have to read this whole thread, we found out that rewiring an alternator was a wast of time, it ups the volts and downs the amps. when on the car it creates plasma. internal arcing inside the alternator is also a problem. later we found we could just add a 3 phase transformer to the alternator to up the voltage.  this was a test for high voltage, after i realized how stupid it was of me to try and make a fuel cell use high volts i quickly realized that the factory alternator was better. the factory alternator is better at 900 rpms than the rewired one is at any rpm.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 07:22:05 am
as you can see in the picture, i did not take the time to unwrap and unglue the copper from the stator, i cut it off with a reciprocating saw.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 10:50:59 am
phase1, it kicked my ass!
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 20:10:48 pm
Hydrocars,
That is looking very good. You will get higher volts. I am sure.
Its a nasty job to rewind, I suppose.
How did you do it with the long wires?


br
Steve
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 05:31:46 am
just got my wiring done and "resoned" in! Don't use this site http://www.mtmscientific.com/rewind.html

just found out they have misleading information after looking at another alternator i had found, i assumed it was wrong so i went and got an identical alternator to confirm, and i was right..

i wasted my time!! there is no information on the internet on how to do this, so i will solve this problem, just great, another delay due to misleading information. my hands hurt :'(

i will keep you undated on the proper way to do this!
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 12:43:02 pm
just got my wiring done and "resoned" in! Don't use this site http://www.mtmscientific.com/rewind.html

just found out they have misleading information after looking at another alternator i had found, i assumed it was wrong so i went and got an identical alternator to confirm, and i was right..

i wasted my time!! there is no information on the internet on how to do this, so i will solve this problem, just great, another delay due to misleading information. my hands hurt :'(

i will keep you undated on the proper way to do this!

My symphaty.....

Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 21:07:05 pm
i'm still going to test what it will do and post the results, i also am wiring another one the way i feel it should be wired! , there's many ways to wire them, we will see who's is better, mine or that site...

results coming soon..
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 22:00:16 pm
Thats the spirit!  ;)
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 27, 2007, 01:39:38 am
this is the way i think it should be wired!

don't worry, the schematics will come.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 27, 2007, 12:02:09 pm
It looks very sharp, cool dude!

br
steve
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 28, 2007, 20:34:35 pm
ok guy's,,, rewireing the alternator my way was tested and does produce more voltage than the factory alternator, but you have a choice, high volt low amp alternator like i made, or the factory low volt high amp.

lets say you took the regulator off the factory alternator and you use 15 volts 1 amp on your cell, well thats 15 watts of power, you can rewire the alternator to get 30 volts .50 amps, this is also 15 watts of power! the difference is with higher volts less amps the cell runs cooler, "since less amps are consumed" to gain the same wattage output.

some of you guy's are having problems with your fuel cell getting hot, any alternator will make the cell hot if the rpm's is not fast enough. a special wave form is defanitly needed to get this overunity!

Stevie, i know you like feeding the field coil, but threw test etc it has been proven that the alternator has to reach a certain rpm before overunity will yeild high gas output at the same time making the cell run cooler because less amps are used to gain the same wattage output, the frequency created by the alternator is critical because the rpm's must be high to achieve these results, anyone with a driver motor can easily do this.


further test has shown that the normal combustion gasoline engine is not capable of spinning the alternator fast enough to create this overunity effect, however i have learned that stanly knew this as well because he too had a driver motor running his cell at high rpm'e on his dune buggy in his videos, also stanley meyers apeared to have a extra generator on his car to provide power to the driver motor which turned the generator. the wfc can produce lots of electricity, enough to run a driver motor from my understandings, but i am not interested in producing electricity just hydrogen.

electricity produced requires 2 or more cells exchanging busted gases, i don't want to get into that.



what was accomplished?

Overunity of hydrogen output, cool running cell, The water still gets Mulk because of containaments in the water.

what was learned is low rpm's on the alternator will not work, this is 100% true because the "needed wave" powering the fuel cell can not be got at low rpm's.

so anyone wanting to put a alternator in their car, they must figer out how to produce enough electricity to run a driver motor.




Producing hydrogen threw electrolysis using a alternator is no longer a problem, the alternator is fully capable of producing overunity results! the problem or wall that is holding us back now is how do we get enough electricity on the car to power the driver motor?

this could be passed up using a transmission box as stevie has spoken on, but adding such parts to the car is not easy given the room you have to work with, i was lucky to add a second alternator.

please you can help by finding a very small generator capable of dilivering 120 volts at 10 amps of power at low rpms. this would be enough to run a driver motor.

more to come, this thread is now unlocked for the private members to start posting in.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2007, 02:32:36 am
ok, rewiring your alternator makes things worse! higher volts at lower amps is worse. the best setup is factory, so you don't need to rewire anything!!!!

you just need the right speed with the factory alternator!!!! trust me, my alternator was shooting high voltage DC, i could get the output wires near each other and it would create plasma sparks like it was burning the air!!! and this was with 22 awg wire!

factory is the best! factory is what i got overunity with!

so spin your alternators really fast... just about any driver motor will do the job, its getting that second frequency that is not understood by most! and you don't get it by pulsing the field coil. it is a self sustaining discharge as i have been trying to show stevie, forget pulsing the field coil...

higher voltages than the factory alternator can produce has been ruled out! it doesn't work as good as factory!!!

glad to get it out of the way! 

i can produce 40 psi of hydrogen in 4 min's in a 1 inch tall by 4 inch wide cylinder with a factory alternator! the faster it spins the more hydrogen, and this is all done with just 1 amp going into the fuel cell. the alternator is not powered by power because it creates its own. all that is needed is kidnic energy.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2007, 17:52:00 pm
how stupid of me!!! there was no need to rewrapp the alternator! you can add 3 transformers to the output of the alternator to step it up or down, good lord how simple

guy's, i can finaly say we're getting somewhere!!!! check out the electronic alternator section!
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 13, 2008, 18:58:43 pm
ok guy's,,, rewireing the alternator my way was tested and does produce more voltage than the factory alternator, but you have a choice, high volt low amp alternator like i made, or the factory low volt high amp.

lets say you took the regulator off the factory alternator and you use 15 volts 1 amp on your cell, well thats 15 watts of power, you can rewire the alternator to get 30 volts .50 amps, this is also 15 watts of power! the difference is with higher volts less amps the cell runs cooler, "since less amps are consumed" to gain the same wattage output.

some of you guy's are having problems with your fuel cell getting hot, any alternator will make the cell hot if the rpm's is not fast enough. a special wave form is defanitly needed to get this overunity!

Stevie, i know you like feeding the field coil, but threw test etc it has been proven that the alternator has to reach a certain rpm before overunity will yeild high gas output at the same time making the cell run cooler because less amps are used to gain the same wattage output, the frequency created by the alternator is critical because the rpm's must be high to achieve these results, anyone with a driver motor can easily do this.


further test has shown that the normal combustion gasoline engine is not capable of spinning the alternator fast enough to create this overunity effect, however i have learned that stanly knew this as well because he too had a driver motor running his cell at high rpm'e on his dune buggy in his videos, also stanley meyers apeared to have a extra generator on his car to provide power to the driver motor which turned the generator. the wfc can produce lots of electricity, enough to run a driver motor from my understandings, but i am not interested in producing electricity just hydrogen.

electricity produced requires 2 or more cells exchanging busted gases, i don't want to get into that.



what was accomplished?

Overunity of hydrogen output, cool running cell, The water still gets Mulk because of containaments in the water.

what was learned is low rpm's on the alternator will not work, this is 100% true because the "needed wave" powering the fuel cell can not be got at low rpm's.

so anyone wanting to put a alternator in their car, they must figer out how to produce enough electricity to run a driver motor.




Producing hydrogen threw electrolysis using a alternator is no longer a problem, the alternator is fully capable of producing overunity results! the problem or wall that is holding us back now is how do we get enough electricity on the car to power the driver motor?

this could be passed up using a transmission box as stevie has spoken on, but adding such parts to the car is not easy given the room you have to work with, i was lucky to add a second alternator.

please you can help by finding a very small generator capable of dilivering 120 volts at 10 amps of power at low rpms. this would be enough to run a driver motor.

more to come, this thread is now unlocked for the private members to start posting in.


This post was off, we learned the cell did not work from 1 amp, more like 15 amps, the input to the field coil was 1 amp but the output from the stator is 15 amps.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2008, 06:38:16 am
     let me first say hello.....second have a look at these generators....they look like regular chevy alternators but they work a little different....depending on the which one you look at the voltage and amps will increase with speed
    this is the parts page http://www.windbluepower.com/...with the explanation of the alternator this might be what your looking for
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2008, 04:31:21 am
nice, and thank you very much! i would like to say that the hydrogen production i get with my circuit and my alternator is all i need, i believe i produce enough hydrogen with my cell to run any engine.

i didn't want it to appear like we're on a mission to find out how to use the alternator, with the alternator the hydrogen production was already as good as it could have  possibly gotton for us in my opinion. 

doing this test helped to rule out high volts low amps that has been spreading the globe, i'm even more confident stanley used high amps and low volts after this test.

i think stanleys vic is getting mixed in with his fuel cell, but most don't understand that the vic is not a fuel cell nor produces hydrogen. this is why we have a section on Thermal Explosive Energy or GTNT as stanley called the vic. 

 

Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 01:17:23 am
    WELL I MAY HAVE TO READ SOME MORE. the test i was doing on just a few plates indicated more volts less amps to keep the temp inside from boiling water. plus the only way i could get hydrogen off the oxygen molecule,was to increase the voltage.without electrolyte
 but i can see why more amperage less voltage might work also. say if you had 9 volts,with more amperage it would push the 9 volts on through and be possible the split the molecules apart. but i will study harder to see your light
                                   


                                              thank you
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 03:53:28 am
In a book offer by Lindsay, called Alternator sectrets, they talk of increasing the voltage to the rotor which in turn increases the voltage of the stator output,   Not sure I grasp it all, but you gotta eliminate the stock rectifier and regulator and build one that feeds higher voltage to the slip rings and the rotor.

Sounds pretty simple, if I can copy / scan the page I'll post it

Turtle
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2008, 10:59:19 am
I got a freebie today.  A driver motor .5 HP, 2600 RPM's, continuous 108 VDC, 5.1 AMps.  With your experience would this be enough power to run the alternator? 

-Kevin
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2008, 11:06:12 am
man, i think that will be just right!
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2008, 00:38:30 am
(http://www.china-power-generator.com/gasoline_generator/WA2000.jpg)

Imagine using the alternator from this thing
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 02:06:34 am
Hey Guys,
   I have an alternator that has 6 wires coming out of the stator.  This is a newer alternator out of a Ford f-150.  My question is how do I connect this into the circuit?  Is this a 6 phase motor or a 3 phase with double the windings?

I am not sure how to upload the pics. 
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 05:15:17 am
im not sure what you mean with 6 wires, 6 seperate wires? never seen that before, if its 3 wires in sets of 2 then its delta.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 06:53:32 am
Well Actually there are 12 wires soldered in pairs along the edge of the diode assembly.  This is out of an 80's model Ford F-150 pickup.  It has the serpentine pulley on it instead of the v belt pulley.  I have pics but I am not sure how to upload them here.  Do I need to upload them on another server then refer to them here?
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 07:04:03 am
when you go to make a post, when you are tying your post you will see a link that says additional Optopns, CLick on that, its just to the left of the post and preview buttons.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 07:12:09 am
ok got it.

here are the pics.

Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 07:16:31 am
You have a 12 pole, 6 phase stator alternator. The 6-phase stator, with each phase placed 60° apart, reduces the amplitude of the current waveform. The 12-pole design also reduces the amplitude of the voltage and current waveforms. The combination of alternator frequency and multi-phasing reduces ripple and improves output harmonics.

The following page is probably not your specific alternator, but it does give all the information on pro's and con's of your type of alternator.

http://www.polarpowerinc.com/products/alternator/3500&6250alternator.htm (http://www.polarpowerinc.com/products/alternator/3500&6250alternator.htm)

Hopefully that worked and it will help answer some questions.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 08:05:48 am
i had one of those and i chucked it in the garbadge, first i took a dremel and drilled out the 8 diodes, those diodes are high tech,, i think you have a mess but it can be used lol.. i wouldn't want to work with it. some late model fords are wired that way to.. i think the for rangers and escourts have those as well.
Title: Re: Custum Alternator how to
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 19:50:02 pm
I thought this might be a 6 phase alternator.  I might clean this one up and see what it will do.  It doesn't have any other electronics built in and it has easy access to the rotor.  Both connections are in a plug in the back.  Has anyone tried one of these or would I be wasting time experimenting with something already tried?