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Title: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2009, 21:17:31 pm

My alternator will be :

24 Volt and 80 amp Leece newille alternator

(to be continued  :))

Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 19, 2009, 17:36:03 pm
what do you mean 28 volts? Was it a steady 28 volt output like my alternator is a steady 12.5 volt output?

Thanks.


Yes your right...hmm... Well i guess the 28 volt output dosent mean much when the voltage regulator is removed on the output side...

But why he choose this heavy duty aircraft type must be that he could have a much higher voltage on the input of rotor and then again much higer voltage on the output than with a 12 Volt alternator.

If you look at patent number 4613779 : "Electrical pulse generator"  where written" A very uneffective device is the auto alternator .. so used an aircraft alternator insted... :)

Best regards

I belived some time that the alternator he used was from a early Ford Bronco or a Thunderbird, but when i zoomed in the black and white photo where the alternator and drive motor is on the ground and the fuel cell is beside the car, i could see two screws close to the bearing center of the alternator and the terminals had a different design.

The aircraft alternator i have found is the only one that match the one Stanley used.

 
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 19:19:56 pm
Hi,


See attachment if you like alternators.... ;D
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 19:58:44 pm
good find man.. i like the alternators secret pdf too.. the one you found gives good picture of how the rotor magnets are what form the sine..  speed of the rotor will effect the freq.
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 20:36:25 pm
good find man.. i like the alternators secret pdf too.. the one you found gives good picture of how the rotor magnets are what form the sine..  speed of the rotor will effect the freq.


Hi outlaw,


Thank you!

Yes, the alternator secrets pdf. is very good reading material...  We should also try PMA`s for the WFC.


Kind regards
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 17:26:29 pm

Look at DC-540 for a good PMA with an three phase AC outlet with over 350 volt at 2500 rpm..

http://images.google.no/imgres?imgurl=https://www.windbluepower.com/v/vspfiles/photos/DC-520-1.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.windbluepower.com/&usg=__OLiQO5asPLtje_O4v5ycPmZRCW0=&h=135&w=150&sz=7&hl=no&start=49&um=1&tbnid=5OdcZ0WYj01zVM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpma%2Balternator%26start%3D36%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dno%26rlz%3D1T4GGLJ_noNO267NO267%26sa%3DN
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 20:54:16 pm
Hi
        Just a query on aircraft systems, you only mentioned that it was 28 volts, now they have several systems.
 the 28volt is a DC generator, the alternator are normally 208volt 400hz 3phase, there is also 110 volt and an 208volt inverters driven by 28dc directly connected motor. I worked on the electrical aircraft systems for 10years.
the DC generators are big and heavy.
aussepom
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 23:06:51 pm
Hi aussepom,


Ten years with aircraft electronics can be usefull in understanding what and how Stanley A. Meyer ran his buggy's on water.
Knowledge in electronics is needed here...

Yes, it was a DC generator, but with the voltage regulator removed and without the rectifier brigde it ended up like the newer AC systems.

Close to no current where pulsed, but the Voltage was high. Pulse generator....
However the blocking diode in the Voltage Intensifier Circuit cannot be a blocking diode, if there was a resonance involved in the water fuel cell...

But i am working on a... self resonating cell, so the alternator setup can wait.

I hope we get a breakthru soon... i am so fed up with filling petrol on my car.. ;D

Best regards




 
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2009, 23:37:55 pm
Hi aussepom,


Ten years with aircraft electronics can be usefull in understanding what and how Stanley A. Meyer ran his buggy's on water.
Knowledge in electronics is needed here...

Yes, it was a DC generator, but with the voltage regulator removed and without the rectifier brigde it ended up like the newer AC systems.

Close to no current where pulsed, but the Voltage was high. Pulse generator....
However the blocking diode in the Voltage Intensifier Circuit cannot be a blocking diode, if there was a resonance involved in the water fuel cell...

But i am working on a... self resonating cell, so the alternator setup can wait.

I hope we get a breakthru soon... i am so fed up with filling petrol on my car.. ;D

Best regards




 

The breakthrought will come from the VIC , not from some "self-resonating"    ::)  cell or an off-the-shelf alternator  ...
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2009, 07:15:47 am
Its not as much as where the break threw will come from its more about what you learn based on what you do. For example, i've learned alot from the alternator setup. Now its his turn. We already know that tube cells doesn't produce allot of gas, half a liter max. We all do different things and we all learn differently, But each time we gain knowledge it was earned.

I look forward to seeing his success If he decides to share with half negative, and half positive peeps. 
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2009, 08:04:27 am
Quote
Its not as much as where the break threw will come from its more about what you learn based on what you do. For example, i've learned alot from the alternator setup. Now its his turn. We already know that tube cells doesn't produce allot of gas, half a liter max. We all do different things and we all learn differently, But each time we gain knowledge it was earned.

do you see what ur saying slick..   "But each time we gain knowledge it was earned"    that word gain.. do you see how that is our overunity as a human.. we put in a question(neg) .. it in return gives us a answer(pos).. the product is gain.. and gain is where free power comes from since knowlege is power.. i keep saying this and feel like im going nuts with no response from anyone lol. this is how voltage is DOING WORK in stans set up.. i understand it completely..  resonance is nothing more then building up pressures evenly on both sides of the choke.. you need the same vacuum force as you need pressure.. it keep them trading light and electrons evenly (bi directional trading) in a orderly fashion without turbulence.. if one side has more voltage or less it will cause a turbulent spiral like a tornado current traveling in the wire.. compared to the pumping of the dipole current...  that turbulent action will in return make the coppers atom nucleus flop back in forth causing heat in the wire and the core. ..  stans way i believe they will remain cold.. but i cant say.
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 05, 2009, 00:18:46 am
When you change the speed of your alternator do you change the frequency of your pulsing, or just leave it at one speed?
And do you pulse the alternator with a duty cycle, which would change the output voltage?
(assumptions of the operations based on the EPulseG, i've become more curious to the alternator)
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 05, 2009, 06:28:32 am
if im not mistaken the alternator will change frequency when rpms change.. lets say your alternator has 3 poles (triangle part on rotor) on the positive side and on the negative side.... this means in 1 turn of the rotor it will produce 3 full cycles.. in each phase... so if the rotor was to turn one full turn in 1 secoind exact your out put would be 3 hertz...

lets say 2500 rpm with 3 poles north and south... divide it by 60 seconds you get 41 somthing.. times it by 3 and you have 125 full ac cycles in one second..... i think they have more then 3 poles on each side though...
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 05, 2009, 06:50:25 am
yea, they have 13 'loops' in each phase, so that is 39 poles? maybe... lets try some math

i think electric motors usually run at 1750 or 3500 which is double that, and then with a a pulley you could change that but lets say 3500 since i don't know the ratios

39*3500/60 = 2275 Hz, what happens when you rectify that? doubles? so your looking at 5k Hz ... in the range... didn't count the pulley ratio, maybe i did all this math wrong but it kind of makes sense.

Does anyone have an frequency measurements off their alternator, for curiosity sake?

I know sometimes if you don't use carbon resistor spark plugs in your car you can hear sound coming from the alternator picked up in the audio system in your car, it produces a frequency in the audio range that interferes with the electronics, the spark plug wires act like antenna.
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 05, 2009, 10:51:43 am
Excellent feedback guys,


The pullyes was 1:1 so the alternator ran at the same speed as stamped in on the plate on the driver motor,  2750 RPM

The AC motor speed is determined by the frequency input and the frequency in the alternator output is determined by the speed....

So if i want to change the speed RPM or the HZ hertz, frequency i had to change the pulley size AND/OR use a VFD :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-frequency_drive

But i did not. At 2750 RPM and the plate cell gap was 2 millimeter, i wish i knew the frequency, but it looks like this clamp meter can measure it :

 http://images.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://www.allproducts.com/ee/tecpel/Product-20061222175613.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allproducts.com/ee/tecpel/Product-20061222175613_print.html&usg=__nrvPHg_2knsT37T2H-0GMqKbD9c=&h=450&w=450&sz=19&hl=no&start=1&um=1&tbnid=Vf7AYkUYwf4QeM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dac%2Bfrequency%2Bmeter%26hl%3Dno%26rlz%3D1T4GGLJ_noNO267NO267%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Cell gap and frequency is stated to be important by Meyer..must dig deeper in this..


















Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 05, 2009, 16:31:32 pm
In the machine shop we have a VFD running one of the lathes, it is used to run the 3 phase motor on single phase by splitting the single phase into 3 equal wave forms, when we got them I didn't know anything about it, but now I imagine if I understood how to use the VFD completely, then I could probably use it to run a WFC, they cost about 400-600 on ebay I think.
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 05, 2009, 18:27:24 pm
In the machine shop we have a VFD running one of the lathes, it is used to run the 3 phase motor on single phase by splitting the single phase into 3 equal wave forms, when we got them I didn't know anything about it, but now I imagine if I understood how to use the VFD completely, then I could probably use it to run a WFC, they cost about 400-600 on ebay I think.

Yes, i got that same idea... it will be interesting to see how the different frequencys work in a cell..

But until then i am happy with my alternator..it makes high voltage and close to no current and and there is a word for that : electrostatic.
Stan drove his buggy with the alternator setup and i find that pretty amazing! Imagine us doing the same!

Do you know how many tubes there was in that pressure tank on the buggy?.. six or four i believe...
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2009, 01:23:37 am
What is the output voltage of your alternator? rewound? (with what gauge wire?)

Stan also had an Electrical Particle Generator on the dune buggy, that I assume ran off of magnetized hydrogen and oxygen, and produced more electricity to run the system. You can see this in the 84 News Release and the video of him starting the buggy off of the demo cell

I'm not sure how many tubes were running the buggy
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2009, 18:33:22 pm
What is the output voltage of your alternator? rewound? (with what gauge wire?)

Stan also had an Electrical Particle Generator on the dune buggy, that I assume ran off of magnetized hydrogen and oxygen, and produced more electricity to run the system. You can see this in the 84 News Release and the video of him starting the buggy off of the demo cell

I'm not sure how many tubes were running the buggy

I will measure the alternator voltage output next time.. and in the cell. 
Not rewound, but heavy duty truck/boat type , but i have added an extra wire for the negative like FIGURE 10XA : ROTARY PULSE-VOLTAGE FREQUENCY GENERATOR, Memo 420 shows.

If he also needed the particle generator to get that car on the road, then i must give up this... i have no plan of making a such thing at this moment...
But i will try to connect as many cells as possible, and see if the amp is still around that odd 000.3 and if it is more gas produced with more cells or not...

I have different things to try so time will show...i still have hope  :)

Best regards












Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2009, 21:26:48 pm
you know you can magnetize the hydrogen and oxygen and run it through a coil of copper wire with pick up coils around that to generate electrical power, read patent EPO106917 and the 84 News Release
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2009, 22:59:20 pm
you know you can magnetize the hydrogen and oxygen and run it through a coil of copper wire with pick up coils around that to generate electrical power, read patent EPO106917 and the 84 News Release


Well, thats all theory, Donald. I never seen anybody confirming that it trully works..

Steve
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2009, 19:40:28 pm
Very odd.. When a single tube cell is connected to my alternator, the negative wire from the tube cell measures 001.5 amp with my clampmeter but the other positive wire measures 000.0 amp! NOTTING! this is pulsed dc and the multimeter is in A DC mode...
 
Can`t the multimeter measure pulsed dc or am i taking out amps from the water? notting is going in but 1,5 amp is gong out! Can this be the resonance Stan was talking about?..
 
Do anybody here have the same experience?..
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2009, 22:17:30 pm
Very odd.. When a single tube cell is connected to my alternator, the negative wire from the tube cell measures 001.5 amp with my clampmeter but the other positive wire measures 000.0 amp! NOTTING! this is pulsed dc and the multimeter is in A DC mode...
 
Can`t the multimeter measure pulsed dc or am i taking out amps from the water? notting is going in but 1,5 amp is gong out! Can this be the resonance Stan was talking about?..
 
Do anybody here have the same experience?..

I have clampmeters, but i use normal multimeters for measuring.
Maybe you also try a normal meter. Clampmeters can give very strange reading sometimes...


Steve
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2009, 22:32:38 pm
Thanks for the reply, i bought another type digital meter right before the shop closed today, when i saw this odd numbers. I can perform accurate measurements tomorrow. I have used it on the driver motor allready and it was using 2,98 amp without load
 
This is a great hobby. So happy when i saw a lot of bubbles at no current... but i have fouled myself before.. so we have to see.   
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2009, 21:05:09 pm
Very odd.. When a single tube cell is connected to my alternator, the negative wire from the tube cell measures 001.5 amp with my clampmeter but the other positive wire measures 000.0 amp! NOTTING! this is pulsed dc and the multimeter is in A DC mode...
 
Can`t the multimeter measure pulsed dc or am i taking out amps from the water? notting is going in but 1,5 amp is gong out! Can this be the resonance Stan was talking about?..
 
Do anybody here have the same experience?..

I have clampmeters, but i use normal multimeters for measuring.
Maybe you also try a normal meter. Clampmeters can give very strange reading sometimes...


Steve

 
Yes you are right... again.. you have been there and done that i guess.....my clamp meter is no good...........lol  :D i believed we had something big here... sorry i wish i had, but this was high amp and low volt... but i heard Stan said in a video that he used some amps according to him it diddent matter so much.. Amp is not making so much heat and if it does heat is not bad according to your temperature test Steve..
 
I made more gas with my 12v-230V inverter and with less amp than the alternator and you don`t need that heavy driver motor and rediline generator.... Stan could had two separate systems on that buggy... one for the show and one for the go...
 
Kind regards
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 15, 2009, 21:37:19 pm
Stan said he used some amps... say in the video of running the dune buggy he says 5 volts and 2 amps, 10 watts being applied to the alternator, but that 2 amps never sees the cell, since if he has a rewound alternator with a guess of 300 volts output (purely a guess) then you would only have 33 milliamps into the cell, mybe he has it rewound to even higher voltage, 600 volts would be 16 millimaps... i don't know what you could get out of it.
Also a Permanent Magnet Rotor would eliminate the ability to adjust the power applied to the alternator, thus you would lose control over the output. The alternator needs to be driven at a constant rpm for a constant frequency, while the field windings are powered through the variac.
Steve, you said the magnetization of Hydrogen and Oxygen was all theory, and nobody had tested it... it says in the patent you can do it, maybe that would be a great test to try? are you able to set up to try it, I would love to see what happens!

Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 17, 2009, 00:37:23 am
i think stan would rewind them with somthin like 27 on the secondary stator windings.. now think of this..  ok you say the alternator will change output when the alternators rpm's change.. wouldnt that be a resoanble jump in output possibly proportional to the gas needed for a motor at higher rpms... the variability of rpm change to freq may be how stan controled the on demand regulation.. or maybe its more complex and relied on digital controling of the variac to compensate..a system that fed back to the variac and controlled its output digitaly to compensate for the jump in voltage? add some chokes to them stators and you create even a higher output with even more amp restriction.
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 17, 2009, 04:21:54 am
Stan said he used some amps... say in the video of running the dune buggy he says 5 volts and 2 amps, 10 watts being applied to the alternator, but that 2 amps never sees the cell, since if he has a rewound alternator with a guess of 300 volts output (purely a guess) then you would only have 33 milliamps into the cell, mybe he has it rewound to even higher voltage, 600 volts would be 16 millimaps... i don't know what you could get out of it.
Also a Permanent Magnet Rotor would eliminate the ability to adjust the power applied to the alternator, thus you would lose control over the output. The alternator needs to be driven at a constant rpm for a constant frequency, while the field windings are powered through the variac.
Steve, you said the magnetization of Hydrogen and Oxygen was all theory, and nobody had tested it... it says in the patent you can do it, maybe that would be a great test to try? are you able to set up to try it, I would love to see what happens!

Yeah nobody tested much really . The magnetic gas is 100% untested .

These are the kind of things you should test yourself . Stevie is not the reference .
Title: Re: Alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 17, 2009, 04:58:59 am
i think stan would rewind them with somthin like 27 on the secondary stator windings.. now think of this..  ok you say the alternator will change output when the alternators rpm's change.. wouldnt that be a resoanble jump in output possibly proportional to the gas needed for a motor at higher rpms... the variability of rpm change to freq may be how stan controled the on demand regulation.. or maybe its more complex and relied on digital controling of the variac to compensate..a system that fed back to the variac and controlled its output digitaly to compensate for the jump in voltage? add some chokes to them stators and you create even a higher output with even more amp restriction.
(in the demo cell set up...)The rpm controls the frequencyThe input from the variac controls the voltage outputStan uses a constant speed motor = constant frequencyAnd he adjusts the voltage on the variac to adjust gas production

He doesn't loop back from the stator to the rotor in any wayPulsing the rotor will not adjust the frequency, only reduce voltage output in relation to the duty cyclePulsing the output would impart a gate on the output frequency
Dankie, I'll test it, I am surprised nobody else tested it yet, just need some permanent/electro magnets and a tube with some pick up coils on it, and see if you can get a voltage across your pick up coils, if this works then you can go from there.