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Title: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2009, 16:39:25 pm
Im working on a new cell right now; very cheap and work good for now. If everything goes well i will make it way bigger  ;D
The gaps between plate are 3/16. The only problem i have with it right now its that it produce alot of scum due to some oil on plate i guess...  :-X i sanded them but dont seem to be enough.
U can easily see the crap on the plates in those pictures. The setup is -n+n-n+n-. The plate cost me 3$ canadian so i think we can says cheap  :P
more to come  ;D
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2009, 20:30:44 pm
just trying to make a efficient cell that dosent cost much! I mean the stainless around here always cost a high shipping cost cause im from canada  :P
wanted to make 6 cell with 30 plate in each, tell me want u think i should do  ;D. my goal is also to acheive it without stuff in water much possible.
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2009, 20:58:37 pm
d'une marde a l'autre , tu perd ton temps . Les cells ca marchent jamais , peu importe comment y sont configure .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1185

Achete moi du fil pi fais toi des bobines 0 amperage




Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2009, 21:28:02 pm
lol, ouai faudrai jessai ca jen ai acheter 150' lautre jour; fils de peche en ss  ::) jvai pensee a toi si jmen achete dautre  ;D
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2009, 21:30:34 pm
Lol , une live a 15,000

quinze mille
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2009, 21:35:16 pm
wow c pa cher lol, mais tu faire quoi avec ca? des cell ou des patente electronique lol ???
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 05:23:40 am
des Bobines ...

Pas qestion d"avoir de la production utile sans faire de bobines ...

PQ tu pense que moi je planifie la construction de ma bobine depuis des mois lol....

Check mes posts , je suis une methode tres scientifique .
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 13:16:28 pm
monsieur et madame...mes amis...

Please keep it in englisch here...
If you wanna talk french, then please do that in PM's to eachother.

br
Monsieur Steve
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 15:47:09 pm
yeah i saw it, too much complicated for me right now lol. Ok i will probably look like a noob again with my tiny cell here but i come up with something interesting i think, lol. With this setup earlier -n+n-n+n- 3/16 space between plates ive got    so many junk of the water that it would be possible to grown some plant in it lol but then i tryed this setup +- around 1/32  space between plates ive then got no scum at all... except for the pink water  ::) and it produced better that the first one... probably less efficient but who care  :P all this in tap water. Im sure some of u maybe already know why  ???
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 17:23:46 pm
A simple tip for you Fred, clean your plates with vinegar (strong solution) then hock up your plates with +nnnn- meaning four neutral plates
Then go buy some distilled water or "battery refill" water, go to you loqal hardware store and buy a box of pure LYE (NAoH read the label, pellets most likely and with NO aluminum in it)
Start with two or three tea spoons of NAoH/LYE first in 4L of distilled water, this way you can control how much your cell is going to draw/how many amps, the more LYE the more amps (conductivity of water)
You would like to have less than 2V pr plate gap and at 12V and 4 neutrals you should be in that range
This way you keep your plates clean and no "gunk" in the water

Good luck and happy testing


Mr H2inICE
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 17:45:08 pm
thats a question i wanted to ask  :D thanks for the nice advices
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 20:39:30 pm
Guys , seriously , dont encourage Fred to make a crap cell again wich will end up having no gas mileage increase .

Fred , a cell is no good  .  You are doing the wrong thing , adding impurities instead of removing , the purer the water the better .

You are doing an electrolysis cell , if this is all you do then this is not the site for you , here we do Stanley Meyers .

What you are doing is not science and is of no interest to anybody here , and it will not save you gas mileage , not even 2% .

Plz stop wasting money and time , you will never produce more than 1/2 litre a minute of gas .

This is science , this is not patentage . You will get the exact same results .

Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 21:25:20 pm
what about a dry cell for example that would produce 6L or more per min. Is it a crap also? any of u got result in millage with those device or more advanced like Meyers?
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2009, 23:27:52 pm
And how many watts did Stevie use to idle his lawnmower ?

840 watts ??

Clearly the usefulness of normal electrolysis is very limited and is not worth the trouble for the increased gas mileage , yet to see a worthy cell with past 10% gas mileage .

Stevie has rafined his cell over a period of years . Fred4321 are you sure you are up for the task with your stainless steel bowls ?? Do you know the price of stainless steel plates ??
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 00:01:32 am
No seriously im thinking of making a dry cell, ive seen one really easy to make, cant remember where. At first i just wanted to do some experiment with those bowl and i seen that it will be way easyer to go with plates. Once i will have a nice cell i will definately look closer to on how  meyer have made his VIC and u know all the other stuff around it.
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 01:59:11 am
thanks for the info again!
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 12:39:44 pm
Hi all,


The brown smuck coming from the water is part of the chemical proces of electrolysis.
The better your cell is, the more junk you get in your water.
I mean, if you use tap or well or rain water.

Thats the reason why many researchers went to use destilled and KOH or other chemicals.
The big problem they have is that they forget that those chemicals are having influence on the burnrate of their gas.
Thats why they think that they need so much gas for running an engine.

So, there is only 1 thing you can do and that is filtering your water.
Thats why my system is a CLOSED water loop with a small pump and a big waterfilter.
Stan Meyer also used a coalfilter in his tubecell accourding to his patents.
He also used a electrode that attrackted the junk from the water.
No sure how that works, but i am working on that right now.

I use a coalfilter of 10u and that works fine. Now i can run my system for more then 2 hours, before all things are messed up by junk.
And thats just a start. Another thing is that you need a good size watertank. The more water in your circuit the better it is.
I spent hours in the pool/pond shop for looking at poolfilters / pondfilters. They gave me some good idea's.

A small tip: If you have a small setup, then you can start with a very cheap petrol filter which you buy in every car parts shop.
Buy the biggest you can get. Sadly enough, they cannot be cleaned...so, after some time you have to dump them.

If you want something better and that you can clean, then google for : pentek filters
or check out ebay on that.....http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=pentek+filters&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

The casing i have is shown on a pic below

br
steve




Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 21:43:31 pm
Hey Fred, like the rest of us you need to learn and feel what electrolysis is, there is only so much info you can read without testing it for your self
Hydro, Stevie, Spike and a few more is actually building the stuff you read about, Dankie need to build before he can give much of a advice
Start small and work your way up, that's R&D Fred
Here is a link or two you can take a look at

6.5HP generator

Simple cold fusion device

There is more videos explaining dry cell's

Go build it Fred

Mr H2inICE
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 22:14:54 pm
Hey Fred, like the rest of us you need to learn and feel what electrolysis is, there is only so much info you can read without testing it for your self
Hydro, Stevie, Spike and a few more is actually building the stuff you read about, Dankie need to build before he can give much of a advice
Start small and work your way up, that's R&D Fred
Here is a link or two you can take a look at

6.5HP generator

Simple cold fusion device

There is more videos explaining dry cell's

Go build it Fred

Mr H2inICE

Fred , dont listen to Brownsgas , all he has is a boring  electrolysis cell that pulls like 30 amps . He has been turning in circles constantly re-making his cell in the hopes of getting better results , but its always the same old self-destructing electrolysis process nothing special .

Dont build it Fred





Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 22:53:32 pm
Well Dankie, that was exactly the response I expected from a 15 year old boy that haven't built anything in his life 
It show how little you know about this
Good luck building to you too


Mr H2inICE
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 23:06:57 pm
Fred,

I think all is said here.
My 2 cents are just simple. Keep on building and learning.
For me a drycell with a very small gap is working.
For Hydro a wetcell is the best.
Much of it is related to the water you wanna use.

I preach as long as i can remember, no to use chemicals and destilled, because of many reasons.
1. chemicals eat your hard paid cell
2. chemicals slow down the burnrate of the hydrogen
3. chemicals and destilled water cost  money

So, decide what type of water you wanna use and go from there! ;) ;)

br
steve

Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2009, 23:26:47 pm
i was thinking about using distilled cause its produce no scum.. or maybe some tap water but mine getting a little dirty. For now im going to test my bowl at 1mm gap with distilled and tap water... its all about fun here nothing scientific  :P thanks!

Fred
Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2009, 00:44:01 am
Hydro I pmed you a question

Here is the process you speak of Hydro

Title: Re: Cheap plate cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2009, 01:41:21 am
No mater how you do electrolysis you are going to get chromium and a few other exotic elements in your process, that's a fact and you can't get by that
the thing is if you use pure water/distilled water you would have some way of controlling that, with tap water you don't since you don't know what is contaminating the water
as for LYE/NaOh or KOH/Potassium hydroxy it's cheap and it's NOT going to destroy your plates, that's just the crap people that don't have the experience in the field tell you
I know for a fact that it's true, I did the water test's, and I know what it mean
Some companies have been building electrolysers since the 1960's http://www.electrolysers.com/ (http://www.electrolysers.com/) it's no secret, soak up the tech and use it for your purpose Fred

Build your version first, learn about what YOU can do, THEN you can soak up further development in this tech field


Mr H2inICE