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Title: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 06, 2008, 05:10:10 am
I plan on building a coil that looks like this
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 03:19:48 am
This coil was designed around a ferrite core.  I have the blueprints attached.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 03:32:14 am
This is the Inductance for this coil

1st Choke     .0677H
2nd Choke     .0677H
Primary     .0486H
Secondary   4.8460H

Total Coil   5.03H


Is this a simulation john ? Is this the real thing ?

So this is how it was connected ... lol I was sooo wrong for so long , excuse my ignorance with magnetic fields ...
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 03:47:34 am
This is a simulation with a Spice circuit

Theres no way that will be accurate ... expect alot more voltage if its all stacked together , nice to see that this is the minimal value possible .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 08:31:07 am
Hi john
what software is that?
How are you representing the resonant cavity in the simulation? (Cp in parallel with Re ?) what values did you set ?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 15:07:23 pm
Hi john
what software is that?
How are you representing the resonant cavity in the simulation? (Cp in parallel with Re ?) what values did you set ?
The software is a circuit design on LTSpice.  The (Cp is 2nf ....eqiv. series resistance 1k)
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 04, 2009, 09:37:43 am
Fine tuned for: Figure 6.3: Dynamic Voltage Potential
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 04, 2009, 12:52:23 pm
cool
do you want to post the schematics file?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2009, 03:04:09 am
great job JohnB , I see you have found resonance .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 10, 2009, 06:41:32 am
I recieved my bobbins today
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 10, 2009, 06:55:27 am
mark me down!
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 10, 2009, 10:10:05 am
Hi John,

Very nice, indead. Mark me down too!

br
Steve
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 10, 2009, 16:21:28 pm
im curious about the center hole... doesn't stans have a square hole so the square core is centered? or does that not really matter? i want one !!! lol

outlawstc
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 13, 2009, 02:16:46 am
Is it me or does the VIC look like a series of Tesla pancake bifilar coils?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 13, 2009, 02:32:43 am
you are correct, as described in the tb the purpose is for each pancake coil to act as the plate of a capacitor with the delrin web as the dielectric. there is a whole lot going on in this transformer, it is designed to optimize the magnetic field/inductance properties, the capacitance properties and the resistive properties, and then operated at the resonant frequency of this configuration, and the core should be grain oriented electrical steel laminates.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 05:42:09 am
I received the ferrite cores yesterday.  They fit the bobbins perfect.  I am now working to solve the inductance.  I have  .130 H on one choke segment with 165 turns.  The SS wire and the copper wire differ for inductance math.  My primary will need 178.5 turns to equal the .130H and my secondary will need 178.5 turns per each segment to match the inductance.  This will be a 14 to 1 step-up transformer. Saturday I hope to wind a working VicCoil.  Wish me luck.

John   
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 05:46:31 am
I received the ferrite cores yesterday.  They fit the bobbins perfect.  I am now working to solve the inductance.  I have  .130 H on one choke segment with 165 turns.  The SS wire and the copper wire differ for inductance math.  My primary will need 178.5 turns to equal the .130H and my secondary will need 178.5 turns per each segment to match the inductance.  This will be a 14 to 1 step-up transformer. Saturday I hope to wind a working VicCoil.  Wish me luck.

John   


Beautiful , more ppl to join you soon .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 05:47:42 am
AWSOME! looks great!
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 05:53:25 am
Thats the prettiest VIC ever .

From what I heard from other ppl the VIC works ( yes I am loosing ground on these guys ) .




Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 09:09:56 am
John, or should i say Stan!

br
Steve
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 09:51:55 am
its the day after saint pattys day. it has been my worst saint pattys day ever and im irish!! i almost got in 3 confrontations!!!1 bouncer, 1 civilain, and 1 cop. lol  but after seeing this thread i think i will sleep comfortable. im wishing you the best of luck john for sat.. and i pray everyday minute this will come out to show the world what the word freedom really means, for once this happens the truth shall set us free. ;D


cheers
outlawstc
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 17:08:01 pm
john from the photos it looks like your inner bobbin has copper wire on it......is that just the tint of the light?......the bifilar wound coil of ss wire needs to be on the inner bobbin.......i think it's just the light.

BUT KEEP IT GOING IT'S LOOKING BEAUTIFUL!
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 19:48:32 pm
kinesisfilms ,
i think its the bi-directional primary wound over the stainless
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 21:12:56 pm
as long as the bifilar ss wire is under the primary then all systems go.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 21:29:37 pm
Its gonna work  fine ... I know it will .

Im am curious to install that pulse pickup circuit and see the response in resonance and in out of resonance , if the amp can pick up a clear crisp resonance signal from the ss coil that would be excellent ...

Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 17, 2009, 23:45:05 pm
Kinsesis,

That is the primary the chokes are wound under it.

Resonance,

The set of bobbins cost $35 the cores from india cost $10.50
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 00:31:56 am
PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT!!!

do you have a paypal setup to recieve transactions so if the cores are 10.50 and the bobbins are 35 how much would you want for your time seeing that you have orchestrated these items together, and have taken the time and initial processing?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 00:35:24 am
Cool ... I frikkin love you guys .

Lets build this like one big happy family .

I wanna thank a few members for teling me the water was warm , its time to jump in !!

Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 01:04:51 am
dankie you are of huge huge huge importance.......now if this coil works.....imagine all the people that have no idea about stanley meyer yet want one of these coils built and are too lazy to build them......i know a good 20-30 people off the top of my head......that means I would have to go through you dankie for your wire, john for his cores and bobbins, and from the looks of it donald for his great craftsman ship.....i sent him tubes and he made them look better then when i had them......i used a saw to cut mine to 3 inches....it looks like he actually cut and polished them......everyone here plays a huge importance......and from how far this has come already I am so happy.  Above all THANK YOU DYNODON.....and thanks to hydrocars and stevie for the website and for everyone that just puts in information.......it looks as if we are approaching a breakthrough.

SO IN A SENSE it is like "Lets build this like one big happy family ."

if this works dankie i can assure you that you may have a wiring selling career ahead of you...in the future when i want to make many of these i will not get my wire from anyone else but you dankie, you deserve it for your time and effort...same goes for everyone else......everyone here holds a unique and well APPRECIATED position.

so as john approaches the final windings let's all cross our fingers.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 01:12:19 am
dankie you are of huge huge huge importance.......now if this coil works.....imagine all the people that have no idea about stanley meyer yet want one of these coils built and are too lazy to build them......i know a good 20-30 people off the top of my head......that means I would have to go through you dankie for your wire, john for his cores and bobbins, and from the looks of it donald for his great craftsman ship.....i sent him tubes and he made them look better then when i had them......i used a saw to cut mine to 3 inches....it looks like he actually cut and polished them......everyone here plays a huge importance......and from how far this has come already I am so happy.  Above all THANK YOU DYNODON.....and thanks to hydrocars and stevie for the website and for everyone that just puts in information.......it looks as if we are approaching a breakthrough.

SO IN A SENSE it is like "Lets build this like one big happy family ."

if this works dankie i can assure you that you may have a wiring selling career ahead of you...in the future when i want to make many of these i will not get my wire from anyone else but you dankie, you deserve it for your time and effort...same goes for everyone else......everyone here holds a unique and well APPRECIATED position.

so as john approaches the final windings let's all cross our fingers.


Yup , everything is getting done on its own , its somekind of human inertia @ this point , I believe Stan's soul is guiding us .

If this site cant get it done , no 1 can .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 01:33:40 am
Yup , everything is getting done on its own , its somekind of human inertia @ this point , I believe Stan's soul is guiding us .

If this site cant get it done , no 1 can .

i really do feel that it is coming down to us.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 02:00:03 am
kinesisfilms,
 i agree with your earlier post. we have worked in a team manner and have participated to the best of our ability in sharing and progressing to the finish line,. i would not know half the things i know  now about this tech if it wasnt brought to my attention in these posts.   i will also asscoiciate in like manner. .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 21:56:06 pm
john what type of diode will you be using?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 02:03:13 am
The diode is NTE5995

Thanks for the interest in this project.  The SS wire cannot be soldered.  I had to create a connection method.  I’m using a 6-32 screw with Helicoil and spring.  I’m drilling a .040” hole into the screw hole to run the wire in then drilling a spot to hold the epoxy.  I am attaching a drawing so you might understand this connection.  This has tested out to make a good contact. 

Thanks

John
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 02:54:50 am
looking good man..  got my fingers crossed for tomorrow. hope all goes well..

cheers
outlawstc
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 03:34:13 am
that diode is ; 40A, Average; 720VNon-Repetitive Peak Reverse Voltage..
if your pulling all the electrons out of the copper positive choke with emf one directional flow pulses at 0-20khz. would a higher amp diode be more efficient?  i dont know how diodes handle frequency and emf fully.  but i know that diode is acting as  a  wall for very high opposite potentials..  kinda what im say i guess is since this whole electrical process and electric power source is not the usual maybe diodes act differently.?


outlawstc
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 03:36:42 am
john i have that IDENTICAL diode have you checked to make sure it works??? mine was broken from the start.....i ordered mine off the internet and upon receiving it it never worked....check it with a meter just to be safe.....

BUT YOU ARE MY HERO!!!.....looks outstanding can't wait for the next step....also the part i worry about is when it the connection from the secondary meets the stainless steel.....switching metal types will cause heat.....i ahve always wondered about that point....but maybe at low amperage high voltage and the diode in between random things like that don't apply......
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 04:36:59 am
kinesis,

I am going to use the screw and spring contact for all the connections.  The springs are unplated music wire. 

I intend to cross my secondary wires over on the bobbin and mark the N field of the core. 

     A Wiring Diagram 
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 06:31:51 am
hmm i can see problems that might arise...but worse comes to worse you can always re-connect it.....will hte secondary spirals being traveling in the same direction as your bifilar coils?...remember the dot orientation.....also this is where connecting the stainless steel bifilar coils flow to either be in the same direction or against each other (if wrong you can always reconnect)....but i think let's say that you have to wind the bifilar chokes and secondary together in the same direction and winding orientation.....so let's say theoretically you wind your ss coils counter clockswise from left to right.....then your secondary would have to be counter clockwise left to right......this is what i have always thought according to the dot orientation......but where it get's tricky is the connecting of the ouputs and inputs of hte bifilar as mentioned prior.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 12:52:47 pm
All the coils are wound in the same direction from left to right.  By crossing over the secondary I mean to take the left starting side wire and feed it out on the right and the right ending side wire and feed it back out on the left.  Check the diagram I have the dot orintations right.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 16:48:48 pm
i trust your judgment, im still a tad confused as to why BG and AH are not together in the same direction.....they seem to be against each other...i think the A and H need to be flipped......i could just be visualizing this wrong.........
the good thing is if something doesn't work then this is an incredibly easy fix.

no worries!
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 20, 2009, 18:13:02 pm
so?.......the excitement is killing me.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 00:22:20 am
Kinesis,

I'm started it may take until tommorow to finish.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 00:39:18 am
Kinesis,

I'm started it may take until tommorow to finish.

Very small , is that what 11.6k ohms looks like John ?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 00:49:42 am
That looks very good, John.

Steve
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 02:36:02 am
john beautiful...are you winding another coil?

you are doing amazing work.....i wonder how dynodons project is coming along.

your efforts are the apex of this break through.

thank you for what you are doing.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 02:51:09 am
I finished winding now I have to build the conections.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 12:03:06 pm
awesome!
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 21:05:26 pm
what did you use to cover between the SS windings and the COPPER windings?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 21, 2009, 21:26:36 pm
Teflon tape
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 04:17:53 am
how are the connections coming along?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 05:35:22 am
WARNING !!!

The utmost care should be practiced in handling the stainless steel wire.  Any kink will create a weak point that may result in a wire break.

Progress report:
Broken wires resulted in a scraped attempt for my first coil.  I wound 6 more bobbins with chokes tonight.  I took extreme care of the SS wire as to not let it kink.  It’s looking good. I cut out 6 more sets of contact blocks yesterday. The springs arrived today for the connections.  Should have these coils complete by the end of the week. 
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 15:03:05 pm
Great work john! this is exciting.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 16:04:09 pm
wowowow....you are the man.......hands down.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 15:15:34 pm
VOILA

My first Tri-Coil Configuration complete.  I added a tap circuit for a feedback to use for adjusting freq.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 15:26:46 pm
you did a great job, lookin' good

how did you create the magnetic core and where did you buy the materials?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 16:12:42 pm
Meter Readings               posts          ohms         inductance
                                      T - T             75.5           .103  mh
                                      A - H              3.6            87.4 mh
                                      E - D           1.76M             10 h


Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 24, 2009, 18:41:37 pm
and what is amazing is that you got almost damn near close to 10.7 henries!!!! just as was calculated!!! you hit the money spot!......john i can't thank you enough for all you have done so far..........alonmg with dankie for aquiring the tiresome wire.....and dynodon for actually visiting and holding the vic itself........

HELL YEAH.

now.......when are you going to test it out......and how are you going to go about putting power through it?......we should keep it in the 12 volt 3.3 amp range as stanley has stated.....so many tests await this tihng......and just for dankie i would love to test this thing to see if it emits scalar waves.......if it does then dankie will have to get some form of medal or status on the forum....scalar wave engineer or something rather.

but damn you hit it right in the EXACT RANGE!!....10.7 henries range is just what we wanted....EXCELLENT WORK JOHN!
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2009, 05:55:10 am
Maybe I am missing a training session somewhere,

Don't Meters use an ac wave at a dedicated frequency to determine Inductive Reactance, therefore inductance - wouldn't that diode and resistive wire cause the test to be a little off?

Don't get me wrong I look forward to some testing, you are leading the way.  Much farther than I have gotten in this area.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2009, 15:38:49 pm
Meter Readings               posts          ohms         inductance
                                      T - T             75.5           .103  mh
                                      A - H              3.6            87.4 mh
                                      E - D           1.76M             10 h




John,

Looking great, I can't wait to read about your results.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2009, 05:30:11 am
Thats a pretty mind-boggling inductance boost JohnB , connected the way you did , all north aligned ( NOT like figure 10-3b)

Must be pretty high volts/low amps  ?  10 volts , 160 milliamps ?

So the question is , what is 10-3 b for ??



Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 06:11:04 am
JB, you are getting a tremendous  amount I H from the steel wire alone. How long is the steel wire?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 08:37:19 am
john must be busy.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 08:53:37 am
What a beautiful piece of work
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 15:15:17 pm
John will update soon , plz be patient .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 16:04:45 pm
JB, you are getting a tremendous  amount I H from the steel wire alone. How long is the steel wire?
1092' total
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2009, 18:53:49 pm
JB,
your measurements may be in error. T-T should have more H than A-H since the H is proportional to the impedance given the same frequency.

If you measured the impedance of  E-D with the diode installed you may be getting a false reading.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 29, 2009, 17:13:21 pm
The T - T is only 10 wraps of the SS 430FR.  It's a tap to use for monitoring the coil with a scope or to use as a feedback to adjust the freq.  The readings below are without a diode.   
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 29, 2009, 17:25:12 pm
Wow John , pretty mind-boggling numbers .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 29, 2009, 17:31:48 pm
exactly the same inductance and resistance for the chokes, very good craftsmanship!
you can use TT for a pll
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 29, 2009, 17:45:26 pm
I think John is the new original coil entrepreneur , frikkin OG  .

Everybody should hire John for their coil needs , anybody else is a fake azz imitator .

John , you need your own website now bro .

VICOIL.COM



Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 29, 2009, 18:06:25 pm
Quote
frikkin OG

im glad im around fellow OG's  sometimes i call OG's  U.P.S which means ultimate player status its the up town terminalogy.. because we comming out the gutter son. moving on up, to the east side.   lol


outlawstc
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2009, 01:35:58 am
exactly the same inductance and resistance for the chokes, very good craftsmanship!
you can use TT for a pll


Dam right !!!! That would make a dam fine very sensitive pickup coil if what Stan says is true .

What did he say again ?  core supresses eddy current in an out of resonance state*

OT: What if we simply could find resonance by a led lighting up ? Screw physical gas production , maybe we have to wait a bit while in resonance state for it to begin .



Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2009, 02:24:48 am
so how is the progress coming along john?......how many have you constructed?

will you have these available for sale and testing?

im very anxious of the outcome.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2009, 02:36:10 am
so how is the progress coming along john?......how many have you constructed?

will you have these available for sale and testing?

im very anxious of the outcome.

Yeah I'm gonna hire John for my coil , I want an original Meyers dimensions tho , still waiting on those wire pics to verify .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2009, 05:05:32 am
so how is the progress coming along john?......how many have you constructed?

will you have these available for sale and testing?

im very anxious of the outcome.
Kensis

I have built 4 but the first one ended up being scrap from breakage on the SS wire.  I then wound 6 sets of ckokes and 2 sets had shorts I didn't find the shorts untill I had built a second that ended up being scrap.  And I now have two good coils built.  I do not have a circuit for testing them.  I plan to build some more but they are very time consuming.  I'm waiting on a circuit for testing.  I have someone building me one for a coil. 
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2009, 05:24:32 am
damn that is a shame about the other coils.
john keep it up i look forward to every update on your project.

if you have any cores or bobbins left over that you are willing to sell let me know....if not i will go about getting one created for now.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 06:47:41 am
Tri-Coil Construction with 430fr Stainless Steel Chokes

Coil with contacts ready to connect to circuit and cell. With balanced inductance.

Coil without diode or feedback tap                $250
Coil with diode - without pickup tap              $275
Coil with pickup tap without diode                $325
Coil with pickup tap & diode complete          $350
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 07:44:29 am
emailed and pm'd......

also outlawstc...you live near me.....if you want when i get this we can meet up and work on this coil and test it.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 08:03:46 am
It seems like everybody is finding buddies in their home state , thats the spirit ...

Wish Quebec had some potential , theres good for nothing najman and Gotoluc , thats about it .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 08:39:33 am
Tri-Coil Construction with 430fr Stainless Steel Chokes

Coil with contacts ready to connect to circuit and cell. With balanced inductance.

Coil without diode or feedback tap                $250
Coil with diode - without pickup tap              $275
Coil with pickup tap without diode                $325
Coil with pickup tap & diode complete          $350


John,

Excellent builds! Very nice.

best regards
Steve
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 09:02:28 am
she sharrr is pretty john :)   i sharrr would love to marry her to my cell .. gotta come up with those 10 percent debt monopoly backs to get it  ::)  .. did you know a dollar bill is a debt and doesnt have a value but a owe.. .  they must be strong with the greed force in life huh? and we just keep giving.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 12:48:38 pm
Tri-Coil Construction with 430fr Stainless Steel Chokes

Coil with contacts ready to connect to circuit and cell. With balanced inductance.

Coil without diode or feedback tap                $250
Coil with diode - without pickup tap              $275
Coil with pickup tap without diode                $325
Coil with pickup tap & diode complete          $350


JohnBoStick; You are doing very Nice, Clean and Terrific work on your vic. In you I can see a man that likes to get things right. You deserve a pat on the back for your Time Invested into your work. Remember, Always save your photos some where because work like this should always be available for view one day,, WHO KNOWS, someone may one day start an online museum.

Great work bro.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 15:41:30 pm
cool, already done any tests yourself with these blocks?
release some badass GTNT  8)
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 20:55:56 pm
Good work JB, fire it up and lets see if it is the holy grail. I am impressed by the insane amount of H you are getting.
I have a sneaky feeling this is it.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2009, 23:42:56 pm
WARNING !!!

The utmost care should be practiced in handling the stainless steel wire.  Any kink will create a weak point that may result in a wire break.

Another broke wire leads to another scraped choke, primary, and tap wind.  Damn!!!!  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
O. K. I'll start again. 
More progress reports to come.
John
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 05:40:17 am
alright john so looking at the images above i am assuming that the connections are the screws that are sticking up?.....and if so....what is the resistance of those screws?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2009, 06:37:16 am
Meter Readings               posts          ohms         inductance
                                       T - T             75.5           .103  mh
                                       A - H              3.6            87.4 mh
                                       E - D           1.76M             10 h
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2009, 00:40:05 am
WARNING !!!

The utmost care should be practiced in handling the stainless steel wire.  Any kink will create a weak point that may result in a wire break.

Another broke wire leads to another scraped choke, primary, and tap wind.  Damn!!!!  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
O. K. I'll start again. 
More progress reports to come.
John

THIS IS SO * DAMN IMPORTANT.....SERIOUSLY.......UNLESS YOU WANTED TO GO CRAZY I WOULD URGE YOU TO WIND WITH PATIENCE.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2009, 23:06:28 pm
john for the secondary windings how are they wound.....clockwise or counter clockwise if i am looking at the bobbin from the right side.....this is a key factor in the orientation of the magnetic field.....i know you have wound them all in the same direction but it might either be all correct or all incorrect.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 00:24:01 am
Kinesisfilms,
The wires are all wraped counter clockwise from right to left.  Looking at the bobbin from the right side with the taps being the front side the wires are wraped counter clockwise the closest to you first then ending away from you  .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 05:14:47 am
john the b field for the secondary is not facing the diode.....it is in fact magnetically facing the other resonant charging choke.....all hte arrows are backwards!.....i am not home at the moment but this is such a simple fix...i will verify this when i am home and testing the coil.......i will also draw up an image of what is happening.....since all the coils are wound in the same direction there is no real problem.....all that has to be done is switch around the connections with some alligator clips and i can retest.....but i will draw up what i am seeing and you can confirm if this is correct or not....i still may be may be wrong in my interpretation if i am not seeing the rotation correctly from the right side.....so i will draw this when i get home.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 05:55:13 am
im still not home buti have drawn out the magnetic B fields orientations.....

the chokes are in the correct orientation but the secondary is backwards.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 08:30:28 am
this is the magnetic field in side the coil an it's direction......

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/coilcounterclockwise.jpg)

look at the connections and you will notice that in fact this is how the magnetic and coil orientation is in the coil......there is a mistake in design...... coil orientation is not CONNECTED in same direction...it is wound properly but connected incorrectly.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/mistakeorientation.jpg)


H should be connected to D with the diode.....this will fix everything......really take a look at this and tell me if you see what i'm saying......it is the simple right hand rule......and the direction of the coil orientation is in fact incorrect by Connection not by winding.........so this is a very simpel fix.......i am excited!!! maybe this will solve the current dilemas with the bifilar in phase windings.

so correct orientation is
C to H
D to E
F to G

just need to flip the c to h connection so h is connected to d
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 18:19:18 pm
i will try the correct orientation tonight john.

this could be it so keep your fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 22:08:18 pm
kinesisfilms,

The secondary wires cross in the coil:  the N. end goes back to the S. side and the S. end comes over to the N. side
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2009, 23:21:16 pm
i remember now when i was rewinding the coil that it was crossed over......what a downer.

tricky tricky......but you are on point.

i am sorry for this mistake i completely forgot that you crossed the wires over yourself.

i will try the B field flow in the opposite direction though.....really running out of things here....

http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/magneticforcesfields/magneticforcesfields.html (http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/magneticforcesfields/magneticforcesfields.html)
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2009, 20:14:17 pm
Remember for this kind of massive coil you will need a BIG pulser and alot of amps on primary side. I believe primary resistance is about 4 Ohms and secondary total is about 21 kOhms. That means in order to get at least 3 mAmps(Stan Meyer record low resonance Amps on 2ndary side) on 2ndary side you will need at least 15-16 Amps on primary side(which means minimum 60 V primary voltage and 900 W peak input...).....  And maybe you will need abit more amps to trigger the resonance start sequence.

I have seen the Vancouver Gadgeteers big pulser that can output 200 V and at 12 V it can output max 60 amps.. Looks like it might fit...

Otherwise let´s do a smaller VIC, just decrease all turns by 90% to ease the amp draw for the hobbyist size. We will see what is the best solution.

Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2009, 20:27:44 pm
I am pretty sure this coil was designed for 3.3 amps at 12 volts = 40 watts.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2009, 22:54:03 pm
I am pretty sure this coil was designed for 3.3 amps at 12 volts = 40 watts.

^ yep ^

Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2009, 20:13:27 pm
Well my maths tell me at 12 V you get 3 Amps primary side and 3/5 mAmps on secondary side. Sorry but I never heard anyone achieve resonance with those numbers. Correct me if I am wrong. The VIC was designed to run an engine and 900 Watts peak input at 42.8 kHz, gives at let´s say 40 pulses with burst freq of 1/3 Hz as many good experimenters have used, that makes very little(single digit watt or rather less(ca 0.3 Watts) - where is my calculator??!) input anyway.. But the peak input is massive. I don´t believe anyone will get bubbles at peak input of 40 Watts. That is if they don´t use spark gaps or more exotic stuff. Since Stan mentioned 3 mAmps as record low I am inclined to believe him, that makes kind of sense to me after some experiments with low amps experiment.

Prove me wrong please but at the moment I am inclined to go with this. The hobbyists that use 3 Amps primary side use coils with like 500 turns 2ndary side copper(AWG30 or less) and no SS430FR. That is a different story and has no resistance.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2009, 20:23:01 pm
Yea... but this coil is designed to process 7.4 micro liters of water at a time, that is a tiny drop of water the size of a pin head.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 01:34:58 am
Well my maths tell me at 12 V you get 3 Amps primary side and 3/5 mAmps on secondary side. Sorry but I never heard anyone achieve resonance with those numbers. Correct me if I am wrong. The VIC was designed to run an engine and 900 Watts peak input at 42.8 kHz, gives at let´s say 40 pulses with burst freq of 1/3 Hz as many good experimenters have used, that makes very little(single digit watt or rather less(ca 0.3 Watts) - where is my calculator??!) input anyway.. But the peak input is massive. I don´t believe anyone will get bubbles at peak input of 40 Watts. That is if they don´t use spark gaps or more exotic stuff. Since Stan mentioned 3 mAmps as record low I am inclined to believe him, that makes kind of sense to me after some experiments with low amps experiment.

Prove me wrong please but at the moment I am inclined to go with this. The hobbyists that use 3 Amps primary side use coils with like 500 turns 2ndary side copper(AWG30 or less) and no SS430FR. That is a different story and has no resistance.

actually the vic cannot run an engine.

it needs an air ionizer to accomplish this.

and at lc resonance current through the inductor is at a maximum therefore energy stored in the magnetic field is at a maximum.

please read the tech brief.

there is more going on here then a simple stepup transformer ratio equation.

read and prove yourself wrong.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 12:40:09 pm
@Kinesis, that WFC letter is no news to me, many people read it and many differ on the conclusions.... What I meant was that the VIC actually was used to pulse and ionize ambient air and water mist in the end. And if used for the WFC it is less than 1 Watts still  that means you need massive amps during each burst. Try to grasp the difference between the WFC and the Taylor cone solution with water mist. ALL experimenters I have seen with a good video has 2ndary side amps more than 3 mAmps. And if you use a continuous pulser with many bursts per second(typical Lawton type or equivalent)  you will short the cell and the resonance will swing wildly as the water heats up and the capacitance changes. Burst frequency that is where 95% of all experimenters get lost. There should NOT be continuos bursts to the WFC or else you short and heat it up, 1/3 Hz burst freq is just fine as mentioned by many people who actually got it right. For the dry cell there is a different story.

@ Donald, yes I agree and that still corresponds to 0.3 Watts input and still you will need many amps when using the correct burst freq.

Anyway, in case you have experimental proof pls show them and tell us which burst freq you use. A small advice, check out the big pulser from Vancouver gadgeteers with 60 Amps input  at 12 V and a max V of 200 V out from the pulser.....  That actually sounds like well built to me.

Anyway, testing will tell the whole story, and WFC is just a toy compared to the dry cell.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 17:11:53 pm
Interesting comments by Gause. Can you explain what burst frequency is? What is 1/3Hz burst freq?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 18:43:42 pm
I agree , everybody should buy a pcb from jolt and experiment with something that can be gated easily .
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 19:51:39 pm
The burst freq means how often you shoot your pulse train of XX number of pulses. Ie Stan Meyer shot about 40-100 pulses per burst. One burst then produces wildly of HHO and the voltage remains high for a long period after the burst has finished. So that is why you need to wait for about 3 seconds before you fire again in order to avoid shorting everything out. My generator has a digital number of pulses(1-512) that you adjust. Then you adjust the burst freq after finding resonance. But nothing will happen unless you put a decent number of charges on the concentric cylinders(Amps).

Burst generators are often used in testing of electric equipment.  And nobody discusses this which is a shame. Amps and burst freq, keys to success.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 20:28:00 pm
The burst freq means how often you shoot your pulse train of XX number of pulses. Ie Stan Meyer shot about 40-100 pulses per burst. One burst then produces wildly of HHO and the voltage remains high for a long period after the burst has finished. So that is why you need to wait for about 3 seconds before you fire again in order to avoid shorting everything out. My generator has a digital number of pulses(1-512) that you adjust. Then you adjust the burst freq after finding resonance. But nothing will happen unless you put a decent number of charges on the concentric cylinders(Amps).

Burst generators are often used in testing of electric equipment.  And nobody discusses this which is a shame. Amps and burst freq, keys to success.

Gaus,

How do you know all this? Where have you seen Stan writing or saying that he bursted 40-100 pulses per burst?
When i read your post, i read that you have already suceeded in replicating Stan. Is this correct?

br
Steve
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 20:36:33 pm
The burst freq means how often you shoot your pulse train of XX number of pulses. Ie Stan Meyer shot about 40-100 pulses per burst. One burst then produces wildly of HHO and the voltage remains high for a long period after the burst has finished. So that is why you need to wait for about 3 seconds before you fire again in order to avoid shorting everything out. My generator has a digital number of pulses(1-512) that you adjust. Then you adjust the burst freq after finding resonance. But nothing will happen unless you put a decent number of charges on the concentric cylinders(Amps).

Burst generators are often used in testing of electric equipment.  And nobody discusses this which is a shame. Amps and burst freq, keys to success.
hmm interesting.
afaik no-one succeeded in maintaining the HV?
The nr of pulses per burst, isn't it depended on the voltage you want to reach?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2009, 20:40:00 pm
Well that seems like a good generator , choosing the # of bursts seems great , but the jolt circuit does have control of freq and duty cycle of gate .

How much did that thing cost ?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 16:25:47 pm
Many questions, it is vacation times etc...

So in short, it is really easy to get the maths if you consider the voltage Stan got to(max 20 kV in his wet cell I believe, in the dry cell alot more). The VIC has a 14:1 transformer ratio I believe. So in case you use 12 V you need many pulses to get to 20 kV without resonance. If you get resonance and need at least 3 mAmps 2ndary current it all unfolds. If he used 12-200 V primary then it can be anyything from 10 to 100 pulses depending on the input voltage. Let´s say he used a fixed burst freq to simplify things  then he needed to avoid shorting and couldn´t use too high input voltages.

My pulser uses a digitally set No of pulses(1 to 512), that cost me alot to build.... But variable capacitance is the biggest pain. But the learning experience is well worth it all. Then go to dry cell I believe is a good idea and to study the Lord Kelvin water dropper. That is what Stan did I believe. 60 kV you can reach with the Kelvin water dropper without the Tesla coil... And rain water is the best.... Hint: why does Stan talk about rain water as the best water..... Look at Vancouver they have come some way I believe. But why don´t they go to the dry cell by now?

Many things to learn, every day is a new experience.... And many troubles arise with this tech as some of us noted. Just keep working and try to get how water is polarized in micro capacitor water droplets. I believe a new engine is needed, the old piston is no good and one can as well use the Tesla turbine and build  a new engine. But it takes a lot of time and money, the only hitch....
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 16:51:37 pm
i think this might shed some light.. i was reading the pdf for the 1 millionth time and in the 6-1 section

"Injector (590) of Figure (6-2) and voltage intensifier coil-circuit (580) of Figure (6-1) as to (190)
of Figure (3-23) is electronically Interlinked with Water Fuel Management (WFMS) System "

i bring attention to this for the injector for one main reason.. all of stans wfms is highly insulated..  think about what charge could be isolated in the pump and lines going to the injectors.. existing in the water itself.. i would say the water is introduced into the cell with a high positve charge.. considering that it has the ionized high state oxygen in it. theres no other good explanation why stan choose to shield the wfms in delrin the way he did.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 16:58:18 pm
Now what is it?
building up to 20kv, or
20kv per pulse? (+/-)

hint from meyer: 2x20kv @ 1 ma = 40 watt (per injection cycle if i remember correctly) to run the buggy
so, +/-20kv per pulse

agree, or disagree?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 17:00:44 pm
"Lord Kelvin water dropper."

Ok, lets talk about this, in order for the water to charge, it needs to be an isolated drop, meaning that drop can't not touch anything that conducts, once the drop of water touches anyting that conduts, it will lose its electrostatic potential.

Now there is no way in hell a low power circuit is going to be able to put 20KV between a body of water (water between 2 conductors), beliave me I have tried really hard.

Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 17:16:43 pm
Anyone having a stungun lying around?  ;D
those are in the range of ten to hundreds up to 1000 of kv's
how about putting a 10-3a amp inhibitor on it?
don't know about the frequency though.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 17:58:14 pm
@electrojolt
Quote
Ok, lets talk about this, in order for the water to charge, it needs to be an isolated drop, meaning that drop can't not touch anything that conducts, once the drop of water touches anyting that conduts, it will lose its electrostatic potential.

now when you say it cant touch anything conductive, do u mean it as anything conductive that is grounded..  is it that isolated passive motions transfer magnetic flux better.. or is it that water drops are like viktor shaubergers eggs idea.. maybe generating its own vortex of a-fields and b- fields..  during free fall.. i like this subject many thoughts... like stan says kiss.. lets start with the simplest observation of how a water drop is able to produce isolated states of space.. any good sites found on this subject?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 21:30:51 pm
If that’s true, why not use steam to run through the system? Empty your cell of water, and force steam through it and see what comes out.  if you have no water between the plates, you'll have no shorting condition.  Resistance goes to 0, voltage goes to infinity.

Just an Idea.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2009, 22:13:14 pm
@AskmeHHOw

The truth of the matter is that steam is closer to becoming ionized then water. Meaning, energy has been pumped into the molecule (heat)...this expands the molecule's surface area, which also spreads the electron further from the proton. This means steams dielectric strength is lower then water...and, it would break down causing an arc in the water vapor (steam, air, water, oil, etc...are all fluids) actually easier.


Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2009, 00:53:01 am
@AskmeHHOw

The truth of the matter is that steam is closer to becoming ionized then water. Meaning, energy has been pumped into the molecule (heat)...this expands the molecule's surface area, which also spreads the electron further from the proton. This means steams dielectric strength is lower then water...and, it would break down causing an arc in the water vapor (steam, air, water, oil, etc...are all fluids) actually easier.


I have done several tests using HV and Steam, and found this to be true.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2009, 01:15:16 am
@electrojolt
Quote
Ok, lets talk about this, in order for the water to charge, it needs to be an isolated drop, meaning that drop can't not touch anything that conducts, once the drop of water touches anyting that conduts, it will lose its electrostatic potential.

now when you say it cant touch anything conductive, do u mean it as anything conductive that is grounded..  is it that isolated passive motions transfer magnetic flux better.. or is it that water drops are like viktor shaubergers eggs idea.. maybe generating its own vortex of a-fields and b- fields..  during free fall.. i like this subject many thoughts... like stan says kiss.. lets start with the simplest observation of how a water drop is able to produce isolated states of space.. any good sites found on this subject?


Well, the electrostatic charge that a dropplet of water can carry is very small so when it contacts a conducting material, so of it's charge will move to the conductive material (only if the material has oposite charge), and yes, if grounded then the effect (lost of charge is greater).

I have a feeling that if we replaced the water with little metal particles in the Kalvin generator, we would get the same self charging effect.

now I ask: where is the energy coming from? The Answer starts with a G
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2009, 05:32:27 am
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2009, 11:07:43 am
Well, the electrostatic charge that a dropplet of water can carry is very small so when it contacts a conducting material, so of it's charge will move to the conductive material (only if the material has oposite charge), and yes, if grounded then the effect (lost of charge is greater).

I have a feeling that if we replaced the water with little metal particles in the Kalvin generator, we would get the same self charging effect.

now I ask: where is the energy coming from? The Answer starts with a G
Earths voltage gradient?

Instead of using steam, try an ultrasonic fogger.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 19, 2009, 16:02:16 pm
Quote
Instead of using steam, try an ultrasonic fogger.

i like this idea.. the way i see it heat may expand water into higher states but would a heat state be a chaos/iradict state.. a cold expanded fog state might be more receptive to voltage?
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 21, 2009, 20:36:49 pm
Quote
Instead of using steam, try an ultrasonic fogger.

i like this idea.. the way i see it heat may expand water into higher states but would a heat state be a chaos/iradict state.. a cold expanded fog state might be more receptive to voltage?

Meyers sparkplug creates small droplets by pressure, this fogger is practical the same thing and easier to experiment with.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2009, 21:50:32 pm
John,  

Have you measured the capacitance of the bifilar without connection to the secondary?

I haven't seen this measured value yet.  It is quite important to know what it is.

Could you post the measured values of the bifilar  in "aiding" connection and another in "opposing" connection?
I would expect probably minimal capacitance in the opposing connection, but it would be good to know anyway.



Has anyone tried driving this Vic at the resonate freq of the bifilar choke?

EDIT: It might be more likely that the resonate freq of one bobbin slot of the bifilar is the correct freq to drive this.

Mike
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2009, 23:07:05 pm
John has gone fishing again , will there be any fishes left in the ocean after John ? Who knows ...
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 26, 2009, 11:32:15 am
I want to throw some fuel to the injector design. What if the vortex from the injector geometry helps the air inlet to a positive charge? I think about the GEET engine and what happens there with the counter vortices. Check out the Hilsch tube.
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 01:49:48 am
WARNING !!!

The utmost care should be practiced in handling the stainless steel wire.  Any kink will create a weak point that may result in a wire break.

Another broke wire leads to another scraped choke, primary, and tap wind.  Damn!!!!  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
O. K. I'll start again.  
More progress reports to come.
John

John,  how sharp was the kink in the wire that caused the breakage?

The reason I ask is, I firmly believe the choke wire should be twisted together
and I'm worried about trying to twist a long length of wire and scrapping it.

I'm not sure how many twists per inch to try before bend radius of the wire comes into play.


It's hard to decipher this from the description in the tech brief that the choke is wound this way,
but there are a couple reasons to have the bifilar as a twisted pair.

1.  It increases the capacitance, therefore the cell/injector variance has less of an effect on the resonance of the choke.

2.  When they are wound together the mechanical vibration is reduced from the magnetic
     attraction/repulsion created in the transformer.


Dankie, have you tried twisting your wire with any success?

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 04:09:12 am
Mike,

If the wire has the proper coating it would handle  being twisted without any problems.  The proper coating would also be resistant to scrapping and would work great for our VicCoil project.  This link gives the performance data of the wire Stan was using.  Unfortunately this is not the coating that is on dankies wire. Separating the two chokes and not winding them bifilar might be the only way to get the lesser quality coated wire to work.  If someone would buy a run of this wire and have it coated with the pyre-ml  I would buy 10 lbs from them.


http://www.istusa.com/pyredata1.htm
Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 11:46:03 am
I wonder if pyre can be applied diy, any idea what temperature is needed to dry or harden it, and how long?

Title: Re: Vic Coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 18:51:23 pm
John,

My concern isn't really about the wire scraping during twisting. 

I am more concerned with ruining/scrapping(not scraping) a couple
thousand feet of wire due to wire breakage from the twisting process & the wire being brittle.

It would be hard to tell if there was wire breakage while twisting the wire until it's done and too late, unless the ends
of the wire are available to use an ohmmeter.   

What is the coating on the wire?

Do you think the wire failure was due to dielectric breakdown or abrasion from vibration?