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Title: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2008, 22:38:52 pm
Hi,

I want to start this topic, because i ll get more and more indications that these waves are what Stan used.
Reason? Stan mentiont once that NOBODY ever thought on using an accelerator in the proces.
He always talked about the speed of light and that he used a proces that went faster......
The only proces i know and what would make any sence are the LONGITIDINAL WAVES.

I published this video some weeks ago.
The attached video is from Eric Dollard and Peter Lindemann.
They prove and show the longitudinal waves.

They showed those wave NOT with use of bifilarcoils.
I think both could be used.
My proposal is to start with normal coils and capacitors, like Eric Dollard did..

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=639.0;attach=2041

I hope we can solve it together.

br
Steve 

 
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2008, 22:41:11 pm
Here are some comments of Dr. Peter Lindemann on this concept:

But let's start at the beginning. What was Tesla trying to do? He was trying to produce a simple DC square-wave pulse train. But he didn't have ANY electronic control devices. No 555 timer chips. No transistors. No vacuum tubes. He only had coils, capacitors, mechanical contacters, and spark gaps.

So, what does Tesla's longitudinal electrostatic wave-front look like? It looks like a DC square-wave pulse train where the pulse repetition rate is one million impulses per second, the duty-cycle is 10% On and 90% OFF, and the voltage in each impulse is 50,000 volts DC or more. This is what Tesla wants the circuit to do. This is what he wants to create by the discharge of his capacitor stage in the circuit.

So, if the spark gap is his "circuit controller" then he only wants a "single crack" each time the capacitor discharges. Just a single, unidirectional impulse of electrostatic charge to proceed forward before the circuit shuts off again. Then, the capacitor can charge up again for the 900 nanoseconds the spark gap is quiet and then discharge all of the stored energy again in 100 nanoseconds. Then repeat indefinitely.

It creates a "staccato of electrostatic bursts." Don't make this mysterious, because it is not. It is no more difficult to understand than the output of a 555 timer chip. Its just that we are talking about very high voltage DC, and very high pulse repetition rates. What is difficult is finding the circuit components that allow you to create these conditions without self-destructing!

br
Steve
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2008, 22:46:31 pm
More of Peter:

Perhaps the simplicity of my example was too extreme. I was trying to create an image to convey an idea. A DC square-wave was what Tesla was trying to create. But you are both correct, a simple chopped DC electron current was not Tesla's goal. The intermittent timed release of packets of electrostatic charge was the goal.

br
Steve
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2008, 23:57:09 pm
Whatever the secret was , if it used longitudinal waves or not. If one was to rebuild the injector with a small enough VIC to fit inside it , we would be trying both possibilities at once. If it doesnt have anything to do so be it we are still trying Stans method to the letter and we will see success.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2008, 00:45:28 am
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm

I found this to be interresting , its a Time Energy Pump

again , many similarities.....

But what if we could find an actual use for this ? wouldnt that be great ? What should we pump lol ?
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2008, 08:43:06 am
Hi dankie,

well, exactly what is does, i do not know, but it seems to rise the resonance frequency and the the resonance bandwidth is is smal. The results of LW watts are that the efficieny is much higher then with normal watts.

lets make a circuit to prove to concept.

br
steve
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2008, 22:19:57 pm
do you have an author and ISBN?
i could search the library of my university and probably be lucky.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 16:22:17 pm
Has the Last Word Been Said on Classical Electrodynamics? (Hardcover)
by Andrew Chubykalo (Editor), Vladimir Onoochin (Editor), Augusto Espinoza (Editor), Roman Smirnov-Rueda (Editor)

# Publisher: Rinton Pr Inc (February 2004)
# Language: English
# ISBN-10: 1589490363
# ISBN-13: 978-1589490369
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 17:03:14 pm
i could picture a longitudinal wave inside the water gap, a push pull wave traveling though the aligned water molecules, Stan says the voltage never drops to zero in between the pulses, and the water maintains a voltage, this means the water stays aligned in the water gap, so with each pulse, it is an attraction force pulling on the water, then pulse off, it lets go, so it is a longitudinal wave of electrical stress.

its like if you have a rubber band and you keep pulling directly outwards on the ends, back and forth, you are creating a compression/expansion wave in the longitudinal direction. same thing happens on the water molecules.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 17:15:15 pm
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave

Maxwell's equations do lead to the appearance of longitudinal waves under some circumstances in either plasma waves or guided waves. Basically distinct from the "free-space" waves, such as those studied by Hertz in his UHF experiments, are Zenneck waves.[5] The longitudinal mode of a resonant cavity is a particular standing wave pattern formed by waves confined in a cavity. The longitudinal modes correspond to the wavelengths of the wave which are reinforced by constructive interference after many reflections from the cavity's reflecting surfaces. Recently, Haifeng Wang et al. proposed a method that can generate longitudinal electromagnetic (light) wave in free space, and this wave can propagate without divergence for a few wavelengths.[6]


there ya go, absolutely no doubt that there are longitudinal standing waves in the resonant cavity's water gap :)

not a secret anymore
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 17:19:16 pm
check this out


from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_cavity

Mechanical

Mechanical resonators are used in electronic circuits to generate signals of a precise frequency. These are called piezoelectric resonators, the most common of which is the quartz crystal. They are made of a thin plate of quartz with metal plates attached to each side, or in low frequency clock applications a tuning fork shape. The quartz material performs two functions. Its high dimensional stability and low temperature coefficient makes it a good resonator, keeping the resonant frequency constant. Second, the quartz's piezoelectric property converts the mechanical vibrations into an oscillating voltage, which is picked up by the plates on its surface, which are electrically attached to the circuit. These crystal oscillators are used in quartz clocks and watches, to create the clock signal that runs computers, and to stabilize the output signal from radio transmitters


Stan says you can use QUARTZ in between the  electrodes in the water fuel cell injector
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 17:24:14 pm
just keeps getting better

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_spin_resonance

Electron paramagnetic resonance (EPR) or electron spin resonance (ESR) spectroscopy is a technique for studying chemical species that have one or more unpaired electrons, such as organic and inorganic free radicals or inorganic complexes possessing a transition metal ion. The basic physical concepts of EPR are analogous to those of nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR), but it is electron spins that are excited instead of spins of atomic nuclei. Because most stable molecules have all their electrons paired, the EPR technique is less widely used than NMR. However, this limitation to paramagnetic species also means that the EPR technique is one of great specificity, since ordinary chemical solvents and matrices do not give rise to EPR spectra.

OXYGEN is paramagnetic, and/because it has unpaired electrons!


Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 17:45:23 pm
there ya go, absolutely no doubt that there are longitudinal standing waves in the resonant cavity's water gap :)

not a secret anymore
;D
rubberbanding effect  :P
BUT
can't get a full or half wave in the resonant cavity at low kHz frequencies, do the math: wavelength (=length waveguide) = C/F = 3E8  / 1E4 = 3E4 meter resonant cavity needed for a single standing wave.
At high MHz/GHz it might be possible and do-able.

You can get the 'tail' or the end node of the wave as a standing wave in the cavity, the coilwire would contain the rest of the wave. Google frolov
wait, here ya go:
http://www.alternativkanalen.com/work.html
(nah, not sure yet myself)

I posted this a while ago in my cute little spam thread:
Quote
This [dielectric] breakdown is usually caused by stationary voltage spikes or "nodes" which are caused by standing waves. Standing waves are stationary and occur when part of the energy traveling down the line is reflected by an impedance mismatch with the load [Xl > Xc]. The voltage potential of the standing waves at the points of greatest magnitude can become large enough to break down the insulation between transmission line conductors.
The dielectric in waveguides is air, which has a much lower dielectric loss than conventional insulating materials. However, waveguides are also subject to dielectric breakdown caused by standing waves. Standing waves in waveguides cause arcing [which doesnt happen in the wfc, we have chokes] which decreases the efficiency of energy transfer and can severely damage the waveguide. Also since the electromagnetic fields are completely contained within the waveguide, radiation losses are kept very low.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 18:06:26 pm
i do believe the resonant frequency is a standing wave also.....regardless where the nodes and anti nodes are it's the fact that the potential field is not moving.....it is static in motion....why else would stanley show the resonant frequency equation in the beginning of the tech brief???...that equation is for a standing wave.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 18:17:22 pm
i think the standing wave resonance in the Resonant Cavity is a different wavelength than the pulsing frequency

sure, the compression/expansion of the water is pulsed at the same frequency the electronics provide, but the electrical wavelength is like you say meters long, but the actual molecular compressions and expansions are caused only by the electrical attraction force, and the amplitude of the electrical attraction force determines the amount of stretching on the water molecule, so the compression/expansion of the water would have it's own wavelength that is really small, in the units of Ångström's 


it's like every 1 second i pull on the rubber band, but with every pull i only stretch it 1 inch

the wavelength of the frequency 1 Hz is different than the wavelength of the actual stretching in my rubber band
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 18:25:09 pm
tell me what you think of this..  could those long waves mess with television broadcasted waves? you think it might have a little to do with why they switched from analog to digital.. because they knew this was gonna be getting on the market?
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 18:28:51 pm
well for one we know the frequency inside the cavity is double that of the pulsing frequency.

and to outlaw:

i don't think that is the case at all......these waves do not have the power to interfere with such signals.......nor do the frequencies leave the cavity which will act as a cage in shielding......there is another reason why they switched from analog to digital though......digital can be monitored down to a single home and which homes are watching what.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 18:33:07 pm
it is gonna make longitudnal waves.... figure the north side of the equator is the positive plate and the south side is the negative.. understand what those 2 pressures are making.. trade winds to the east.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 18:56:10 pm
well for one we know the frequency inside the cavity is double that of the pulsing frequency.

and to outlaw:

i don't think that is the case at all......these waves do not have the power to interfere with such signals.......nor do the frequencies leave the cavity which will act as a cage in shielding......there is another reason why they switched from analog to digital though......digital can be monitored down to a single home and which homes are watching what.
look:
feature=channel_page

watch all his video's, it's based on frolov, avramenko and strebkov. possibly it's all standing waves with non moving changing voltage, pulling energy from he environment like in this video, disrupting radio signals. something like that.



Here the same circuit is used on a WFC with positive results, also standing waves I believe, but haven't looked deeper into in, so it's a guess.:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Wavefront101

Maybe you can place this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave


edt
standing waves in a light tube, can it be compared to plasma longitudinal waves as described on wiki?
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 19:22:59 pm
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i don't think that is the case at all......these waves do not have the power to interfere with such signals.......nor do the frequencies leave the cavity which will act as a cage in shielding......there is another reason why they switched from analog to digital though......digital can be monitored down to a single home and which homes are watching what.

thanks for the insight..
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 19:25:37 pm
we are using 40,000 volts at .001 amps......those numbers will not interferre with radio or television waves....look at power lines.

and those videos are amazing....very very interesting. thank you alan.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 19:38:38 pm
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 19:48:00 pm
no problem at all

bubbles appear only on one electrode.
why??? :)
Standing wave, polarity keeps on 'rotating' on the wire, like a single wave between 2 nodes of a guitar string. Don't know for sure of course.

his (mrh2o2) website doesn't offer this info for free anymore, printed it to pdf in time:
http://rapidshare.com/files/217321883/e.zip.htm
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 21:49:27 pm
should note the longitudinal wave in the resonant cavity is a mechanical/physical wave on the atomic scale

and the electrical pulsing is electromagnetic waves traveling at the speed of light
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 22:28:03 pm




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&ei=rc7cSdfJEcTI-Abq7a3eDA&q=LONGITUDINAL+WAVES&hl=no
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2009, 22:28:29 pm
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and the electrical pulsing is electromagnetic waves traveling at the speed of light

speed of light.. this set speed idea is bothering me.. everything has a variable even light.. lights variable is resistance just like electrons.. when light goes through glass it slows down.. you dont think air and other solids dont play a role in that? such as copper, water, stainless,.. what we see visible is only a certain speed of light.  think of hertz like mph in a sense and volts like torque..  when the positive charge is spiraling down the choke toawrd the fuel  cell so are the electrons in the negative at the same speed and build vacuum and pressure at a equal relative time.. when they make it to the cell they have the opposite charges entering at the same pressure so as positve crosses toward negative, negatives crossing toawrd positive at the same relative time. you create balanced trade since there pressures match.. resonance is nothing more then balance trade happening at different speeds when it come to whats happening in the load.
stan hits it with a step up pulse because he trys to make the charge act like a guy spinning a merry go round.. the first push is the least of force to get it spinning but each addition push there is a speed increase in the gyro speed of exchange.. to the point where electrons are breaking there gravitational attraction to the proton mass.. thats what im seeing.

outlawstc
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 03:07:19 am
never noticed him holding the bobbin
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 03:56:24 am
I just invited DrStiffler and Wavefront to ionizationx.com

I just love these guy's video
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 06:23:18 am
http://www.nvidia.com/object/personal_supercomputing.html

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Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 14:30:27 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_propagation

I can imagine the signal propagation velocity is SS is way smaller than copper , need to find its % of C (speed of light).
Goal of this is to see how low we can go with frequency to make a standing voltage wave using SS.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 14:50:17 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_propagation

I can imagine the signal propagation velocity is SS is way smaller than copper , need to find its % of C.
Goal of this is to see how low we can go with frequency to make a standing voltage wave using SS.

It has low carbon % , like

0.06%
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2009, 19:56:43 pm
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I can imagine the signal propagation velocity is SS is way smaller than copper , need to find its % of C (speed of light).
Goal of this is to see how low we can go with frequency to make a standing voltage wave using SS.

very relative question i would say

this is what i see..(doesnt mean im right) just painting the canvas with some imagination.. 
each wind around the inductive core is giving 2 things.. leverage for volts kinda like how a block pulley ups it  picking up ability with each additional loop around the blocks.. and you are gaining volume(capacitance) for the charge.. so thats like upping your gallons of air for a air compressor for storing potential as well???  resonance is having your emf pumping action in tune to where its creating equivalent vacuum  and electron pressure in relative time. its all balance.  the C (constant of light) will very depending on emf.. the faster the alternator version turns the faster the ligt and electrons.. the frequency is like a clutch in a sense.. the higher frequency is like letting off the clutch all the way.. and the lower is like making it slip.. for 6-1 its all about the turbulent amps passing threw the primary?

so all in all i dont think the resistance is gonna hurt.. it keeps the cell from getting jerky boosts in voltage reducing the possibility for ark in the micro cap.

its semiconducting capabilities enhance the passing of positive light potential??  for its bidireactional trade off??? 

it may be .001 amps but i am gonna say you stil have around half the count of electrons passing one given point.. its just unreadable with meters because its non turbulent displacement.. meaning the electrons and light bidirectionaly trade off's are  in perfect unison
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 10, 2009, 18:55:42 pm
1 wire electrolysis by dr stffler
cant remember if this was posted before

24v  at 0.00?? amp

hmm not really one wire because of the bolt.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 11, 2009, 10:51:25 am
read with http://djvu.sourceforge.net/
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2019, 23:25:20 pm
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2019, 23:30:43 pm
Hey bro.. i was taking another look at the techbrief and i think the steam resonator brings us the rest of the info

The steam resonator puts the voltages to the water at double frequency in the same direction 180 degrees delayed...

to resume.. i think we need to get like 179 or 181 degrees..

something like this plus some dc bias
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2019, 00:44:27 am
read with http://djvu.sourceforge.net/

interesting document!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lead batteries generate hydrogen >:? resonate? tey
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2019, 01:09:45 am
if you over charge a lead battery filled with water you get h2....

my thoughts on the L wave is that we should see a much higher efficiency of hho for the same amount of power.
Look at the vic.....so many coils...it might be setup as a longitudinal transmittion line....
amp restricted by the capacitors....
Only works in a resonance situation...
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2019, 07:05:48 am
i didnt really understand much of it...
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2019, 08:59:49 am
watch this
learn
its the real deal if you want to know what electricity is.
Then you understand the space and counterspace poles
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2019, 09:00:15 am
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2019, 23:47:01 pm
interesting my friend... do you think a wave could be used to amplify energy ?

i was thinking about a coax having instead of 2 , 3 wires...  so as to make the waves travel  but compose each other maybe inducing a current package on the separate wire..

i wached your videos on youtube i think is very interesting how the lights go up.. isnt it about a transfomation of voltage?
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2019, 23:54:57 pm
when waves go in a transmission line it will revert its direction if the end is open and return with same polarity to the origin.. .for example it meets a diode.. a diode is a bit of a capacitor but very low value

if the end is shorted the wave gets reflected with oposite polarity...

if we would connect such a system in parallel with a cell and pulse the cell it would generate a double pulse in the cell..

im trying to understand this longitudinal wave.. but still surfing at the transversal ones haha
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2019, 08:47:52 am
transversal waves use ELECTRONS as charge mover.
Tesla stated that electrons are a hugh resistance.
So with Longitudinal wave that resistance is gone and it will be much more efficient.

The big question is how a wfc will act on that type of energy
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 24, 2019, 00:28:51 am
how do you see this longitudinal wave action? i mean in a resistor or maybe on water.. or maybe in a motor? i watched the video mostly but didn´t understood really how exactly how it is it...


Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 25, 2019, 01:02:49 am
transversal waves use ELECTRONS as charge mover.
Tesla stated that electrons are a hugh resistance.
So with Longitudinal wave that resistance is gone and it will be much more efficient.

The big question is how a wfc will act on that type of energy

Wind chimes illustrate the difference between the two types of waves.  Tapping the side of a cylinder produces a resonate frequency based on the diameter, while tapping the end produces a resonance based on the cylinder's length.  Both electrodes in a Meyer cell would have the same end-to-end frequency, with the same material.  Two positive longitudinal pulses can still have a potential difference, but Stan didn't show a circuit with positive on both electrodes.  So, with this kind of energy, one electrode would be grounded.  (The other electrode makes a 'ping' sound.)
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 25, 2019, 03:00:40 am
With the wrong electrode configuration, longitudinal waves can constitute a bio hazard.  And I don't mean a spark carried outwards, riding on a localized, planar, low power electromagnetic pulse.  I'm talking about a non connected, tapered outer electrode having been shown as equating to the 'hanged man' Taro card.  Meyer does have a setup with a longitudinal sweep accelerating ions upwards, producing impact dissociation.  This would be good for high velocity electric rocket exhaust.  Otherwise, hho from lateral vibrations should be nice and safe, good enough.
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2021, 11:35:49 am
As you all know by now, i started this forum to show my personal progres on the water as a fuel projects. Later on, it became some sort of wiki.
A collection of knowledge. Probably a bit unstructured, but you can find a lot of info here by now.

One of my brain farts was about these longitudinal waves. I wondered if thats was used by meyer etc etc.

Today i spent hours watching the bob boyce speaches.
Remember, i tried a series cell with a so called bb toroid.
Now bob explained some more on his system.
He clearly states that he used scalar longitudinal waves on the three primary coils.
He also uses it for his water smacker and battery smacker products.
He pulses his three primary coil very shortly.
Femto seconds long pulses.
As we all know, current follows voltage.
If you pulse a coil so short, then you create a path for current, but the current is switched off.
But the coil is totally preperred for it, so it pulls energy from the environment. Or zero point.
The collapse of the coil creates an scalar wave longitudinal wave.
Now the most important thing bob tells is that these waves CHARGE WATER.
So, with almost no current, we create a situation in a toroid with coils, that charges water.
He also stated to use a bias voltage current steady thru your watercell. You need the electrons, he said.
That part is wierd for me....Maybe just on the electrodes? At least he said it needed to prevent re combination of the atoms into water again after we took it apart....


Ok, enough for now.
Your comments?
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2021, 08:55:30 am
nobody?
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2021, 08:57:18 am
I ordered a battery smacker from Bob, last week.
Hope to get it soon.
If it charges my battery with scalar waves, then his theory on using it towards water can also be true
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2021, 22:32:37 pm
longitudinal or transverse is a direction, longitudinal is perpendicular to you, transverse is vertical to you

em waves have both components, the longitudinal can be the poynting vector , the transverse the scalar components of the em wave

the EM wave is just induction on an open circuit , you don't need a closed circuit, antennas transfer energy with OPEN CIRCUITS, the faraday and maxwell's laws or even weber laws limit you with closed circuits, this way you only explore half of EM

scalar is a quantity, scalar means you scale a value with something, some times you scale direction aka vectors with scalars, there are scalar fields but this is something we invented in math

you can't just pull any energy from the environment, what is zero point energy? is the minimum energy of the universe? how can you pull energy from this? what is the mechanism of energy transfer?

electrons and the rest of the zoo of particles are made of something that doesn't dissipate any energy, something that can't interact with matter as we know it, according to me this is because these are made from gravitational waves and gravitational waves have no way of dissipating energy since they transcend matter

can you break apart electrons? not really, you can make photons but that's because you use an atom for this and it's machinery to do it

circular waves have nodes , so a circular gravitational wave also has nodes , you can only combine other waves by following the energy requirement of the wave

can you cancel a gravitational wave? not really , the same way you can't cancel a moving magnetic field, that means that two opposite gravitational waves don't cancel but stretch space-time further but the force you feel is cancelled much like when two opposing magnetic fields cancel other out , the fields arent cancelled it's the force that's cancelled out but when you move the opposing magnetic fields in opposite directions of each other there is a force exerted on a charge when there is no measurable field, this is because spacetime is torsionless

if I was teaching EM I would only use the lorrentz law, it's the only law you'll ever need, it beats all other laws, it's geometrical and nature is geometrical
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 13, 2021, 09:12:13 am
Hi Geon,

You cannot pull energy from the environment?
I do not agree with that statement....
There are example of working systems that does this.

For me, it was interesting to hear from Bob Boyce how he was creating Scalar emf waves.
The interesting part is that he was pulsing his three primary coils in femto seconds timeframe.
That means that he puts a voltage across the coil, and takes it away, before current starts to flow.


Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 13, 2021, 13:09:03 pm


a longitudinal wave would be the gravitational wave or a sound wave because it only has one direction or charge

when you accelerate a charge you make an EM wave but these E and B components are transverse

if there was a magnetic monopole by shaking it you would make a longitudinal field like you do when you shake a mass you make gravitational waves

but EM fields are built to be transverse

when you increase the current in a straight wire another straight wire parallel to it has current induced in it in the opposite direction, this is due to faraday induction and lenz law, the EM wave is due to induction

the poynting vector is the product of E and B fields and is pointing towards the direction of the propagation but the force is always parallel or transverse to this direction

in the little wonder world I made the gravitational waves are the ones who make these fields, there is no way to make longitudinal EM waves because the gravitational waves are quantized, you can't build matter without following the quantization rules

so there are no electric fields no magnetic fields no weak force no nuclear force, there is only one universal force or field, it is the density of spacetime

in short longitudinal wave have both the direction of force and propagation perpendicular

transverse waves have the direction of propagation and force vertical

the E and B field is because spacetime distortion manifests it in a circle around the propagation of motion of a charge so it is impossible to make longitudinal EM waves, if you found a way to unravel the EM wave you would make gravitational waves , these are longitudinal, how would you make this though?
supposedly gravitational waves go round circles in the speed of light c , these combine to make all particles leptons such as electrons or quarks or photons, photons don't induce EM waves, when one electron and position anhilliate they make one photon, the photon is massless and chargeless because the gravitational waves nullified each other out BUT there is no real nullification with these waves, the only thing that happens is that you can't measure the field but both fields are there, much like you can't measure gravitational waves with a meter long stick, you'd need a planet scale long stick to measure the gradient, there are no absolute values, everything is relativistic, there is not zero point! there is no zero
if you would make an analogy of spacetime with an elastic medium the nullified field would be two opposing forces stretching this elastic medium, if you were right in the middle you wouldn't feel any force dragging you to either direction

the B field is more primary than the E field and it cannot be nullified just like you can't shield from gravity, you cant shield from B field either because they are the one and the same , theres no nullification of fields only nullification of our ability to measure

lets say you want to explore true EM you need to use sparks because in sparks there is actual charge velocity but inside conductors the charge velocity is very small because the metal lattice is using its closely packed atoms to transfer the charges with quantum leaping, in free space a spark or ion beam uses gases in very low pressure so the atomic distance is million of time greater than metal, the charges now actually have to travel themselves not only their quantum energy!

do you remember one russian guy podkletov? he made a rotating superconducting disk with sparks, the charges there are supposed to be on the surface of the disk so they move freely, he claimed gravitational effects but he couldn't reproduce the experiment and was fired, in case you want to try you need capital and equipment to even try something similar, only lab centers can do this and no one is going to put their name on the line to explore something that is so uncertain, sparks are certainly interesting, the speed of charges inside metal is there but its minuscule

Hi Geon,

You cannot pull energy from the environment?
I do not agree with that statement....
There are example of working systems that does this.

For me, it was interesting to hear from Bob Boyce how he was creating Scalar emf waves.
The interesting part is that he was pulsing his three primary coils in femto seconds timeframe.
That means that he puts a voltage across the coil, and takes it away, before current starts to flow.

you cant have voltage without current, voltage is the potential electric field and current is the electric field, its like saying you don't have gravity if you raise an apple to 100 meters, even with high speed electronics the actual charge acceleration can't be that great because inside metas there a lot of inertia and the charges can't accelerate
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 14, 2021, 08:45:40 am


a longitudinal wave would be the gravitational wave or a sound wave because it only has one direction or charge

when you accelerate a charge you make an EM wave but these E and B components are transverse

if there was a magnetic monopole by shaking it you would make a longitudinal field like you do when you shake a mass you make gravitational waves

but EM fields are built to be transverse

when you increase the current in a straight wire another straight wire parallel to it has current induced in it in the opposite direction, this is due to faraday induction and lenz law, the EM wave is due to induction

the poynting vector is the product of E and B fields and is pointing towards the direction of the propagation but the force is always parallel or transverse to this direction

in the little wonder world I made the gravitational waves are the ones who make these fields, there is no way to make longitudinal EM waves because the gravitational waves are quantized, you can't build matter without following the quantization rules

so there are no electric fields no magnetic fields no weak force no nuclear force, there is only one universal force or field, it is the density of spacetime

in short longitudinal wave have both the direction of force and propagation perpendicular

transverse waves have the direction of propagation and force vertical

the E and B field is because spacetime distortion manifests it in a circle around the propagation of motion of a charge so it is impossible to make longitudinal EM waves, if you found a way to unravel the EM wave you would make gravitational waves , these are longitudinal, how would you make this though?
supposedly gravitational waves go round circles in the speed of light c , these combine to make all particles leptons such as electrons or quarks or photons, photons don't induce EM waves, when one electron and position anhilliate they make one photon, the photon is massless and chargeless because the gravitational waves nullified each other out BUT there is no real nullification with these waves, the only thing that happens is that you can't measure the field but both fields are there, much like you can't measure gravitational waves with a meter long stick, you'd need a planet scale long stick to measure the gradient, there are no absolute values, everything is relativistic, there is not zero point! there is no zero
if you would make an analogy of spacetime with an elastic medium the nullified field would be two opposing forces stretching this elastic medium, if you were right in the middle you wouldn't feel any force dragging you to either direction

the B field is more primary than the E field and it cannot be nullified just like you can't shield from gravity, you cant shield from B field either because they are the one and the same , theres no nullification of fields only nullification of our ability to measure

lets say you want to explore true EM you need to use sparks because in sparks there is actual charge velocity but inside conductors the charge velocity is very small because the metal lattice is using its closely packed atoms to transfer the charges with quantum leaping, in free space a spark or ion beam uses gases in very low pressure so the atomic distance is million of time greater than metal, the charges now actually have to travel themselves not only their quantum energy!

do you remember one russian guy podkletov? he made a rotating superconducting disk with sparks, the charges there are supposed to be on the surface of the disk so they move freely, he claimed gravitational effects but he couldn't reproduce the experiment and was fired, in case you want to try you need capital and equipment to even try something similar, only lab centers can do this and no one is going to put their name on the line to explore something that is so uncertain, sparks are certainly interesting, the speed of charges inside metal is there but its minuscule

Hi Geon,

You cannot pull energy from the environment?
I do not agree with that statement....
There are example of working systems that does this.

For me, it was interesting to hear from Bob Boyce how he was creating Scalar emf waves.
The interesting part is that he was pulsing his three primary coils in femto seconds timeframe.
That means that he puts a voltage across the coil, and takes it away, before current starts to flow.

you cant have voltage without current, voltage is the potential electric field and current is the electric field, its like saying you don't have gravity if you raise an apple to 100 meters, even with high speed electronics the actual charge acceleration can't be that great because inside metas there a lot of inertia and the charges can't accelerate

Again i do not agree.
If you put a voltage to a coil, the amperage is not starting to flow with topspeed ....see picture....
So, if you put the high voltage on a coil for a very short burst, a minimum of current will flow.....
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 15, 2021, 21:31:00 pm
voltage is just current lag, imagine if you pressurize a water hose, you build a high-pressure potential (voltage) and when you open one end water flows (current), you can either not open the hose or open it very little, in this case, the voltage will be high since there is high potential inside, when you open the hose the pressure (voltage) drops and the water (current) flows, inside the wires the atoms of the metal lattice transfer the quantum energy of the excited electrons to each other, when a voltage potential is applied on the atoms their electrons can surpass the quantum potential well of their current quantum state and transfer is to the next atom, electrons don't exactly flow only their quantum energy flows
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2021, 08:59:14 am
I think the longitudinal force component of EM fields is the same as the magnetomotive field for constant velocity, you can hardly measure it in copper wires because this only applies to each individual field of every charge so in order to create a longitudinal force component for an EM wave you need to use free charges where each charge has a real velocity and acceleration

it takes the same form as the regular EM wave equations but it's longitudinal to the EM wave propagation, it's the relative movement of each field. the reason you can measure the other transverse regular force component of the EM wave is because the field lines move transversely to the charge motion so it doesn't matter if each charge really moves or not since it doesn't travel at the same speed as the charge as it's almost zero inside wires
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2021, 23:43:28 pm
haha I can't figure out how energy is conserved yet with the longitudinal component

I know that the magnetomotive force has been measured in the 1940s so it's not a fictitious force plus these explain paradoxes all too well to be false

and again you can't measure this with wires, you must use open circuits such as sparks

maybe some superconductors would work????

who said the magnetic field can do no work? how do you think induction is made? is it with magic fairies?

I think there is a more fundamental cause for lenz law, I mean in this theory the spacetime density is what creates all forces so even if you cant apply lenz law for longitudinal forces its because lenz law is incomplete and a more fundamental conservation law must be created, since even for longitudinal components the spacetime density is nullified when a particle's mass fills this void there is no more magnetic field in this region and more kinetic energy must be imparted to the prime particle for the energy of the system to be conserved so in essence the lenz law must be replaced by something else to account for longitudinal forces

when you apply the longitudinal force it is towards in one direction no matter the direction of the current or charge velocity
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2021, 22:27:52 pm
do you remember podkletov or a similarly named scientist? he claimed he used a rotating superconducting disk and a gravitational type of force beam was created , he was later fired and other scientists could not replicate it, if you could hypothetically make free charges and rotate them or move them a longitudinal; force can be exerted which is not shieldable just like the magnetomotive force, in reality, this is not a "gravitational" force per se it's the longitudinal component of the EM wave but this is supposed to be exerted only on charged particles or I should say this can only work with conductors!! pretty much every material is conducting but this effect should be different depending on the conductance of the target

the experiments of the impulse gravity beam or whatever they call it depend on spark creation and basically the acceleration of free charges, a high voltage and  a quick discharge means more acceleration, by using superconductors the spark has even more acceleration this force has an a/r dependence
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2021, 22:28:34 pm
what hooper did was he put two cylindrical metal sheets forming a cylindrical air capacitor around a wire with DC current, the msgnetomotive force is towards the wire so the capacitor was charged, I think he also put the capacitor inside a faraday cage meaning he shielded the capacitor so no pseudocapacitance could be formed or double capacitance formed, the magnetomotive force is not shieldable because when we say that the em fields can be shielded we mean that in a faraday cage or in any metal conductor a suitable current is induced that cancels the starting em field shielding anything inside it but the regular lenz law doesn't apply with motional fields since the  resulting force's longitudinal

Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2021, 22:05:11 pm
let's say you want to create a B field in a wire loop, you can use the biot-savart law that has v speed in it and replace it with current to get the common wire loop law , in theory you could instead of driving more current rotate the wire loop with enough speed so the charges move with more speed hence more current hence more magnetic field, however there are some suggestions for this paradox, one is there are the same amount of negative electrons and the same amount of positive electron holes  so since both negative and positive charges move the B field is the same, another suggestion is that since the loop is rotating there is a length dilatation making the radius bigger and counterbalancing the extra speed for the effective B field but the first one is more plausible
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2021, 22:23:41 pm
let's say you move two high voltage electrodes inside an ultra low-pressure gas

there are no electron holes in the gas, only one type of charge can move

an ion beam is a fine example of free charges

you can create a central field with enough engineering - no magnetic cusps needed for nuclear reactions

you can try it yourself use a shielded capacitor and put it near an AC wire , the capacitor will develop voltage , if the capacitor is shielded then you can't say there's parasitic capacitance

the capacitor works because the charges can move only on one axis since they are bound by the metal plate

Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 25, 2021, 08:50:17 am
what happens when you rotate yourself ? you're a frame of reference , the speed of any object is perceived by you multiplied by the radius or the distance to it

when you rotate you gain mass energy so the objects are perceived as being closer to you since spacetime density is altered near you

if you rotate then you cannot perceive objects farther than a critical distance d since at some distance the objects will have apparent speed equal to the speed of light

without transformations you rotate and perceive a light source at the critical distance d , then d=ct ,
you rotate with speed ω then c=ωd so c=ωct <=> t=1/ω or t=T one period so the light ray must do a full log spiral before reaching you





Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 25, 2021, 23:36:33 pm
suppose there's stationary light source A,  rotating observer B and stationary observers C and D

the distance of A to B , A to C, B to D and C to D is the critical distance d

A shoots a signal to B and C , as soon as B and C receive the signal from A they shoot a signal to D

D measures the difference in time between the two signals

the normal time for B should be exactly one period of the rotating frame or 1/ω , when you substitute the schwartzild metric for acceleration in SR you get 1/γ=sqrt(1-ad/c^2) , t'=γt and d=ct , t=d/c
Δt'=γΔt <=>
1/ω = 1/sqrt(1-ad/c^2) t <=> 1/ω = d/sqrt(1-ad/c^2)c  <=> ω = sqrt(1-ad/c^2)c / d <=> ω^2 d^2 = (1-ad/c^2) c^2 <=> ω^2 d  = (c^2/d -a) <=> a' = c^2/d-a but a'=a then a=c^2/d-a <=> a=c^2/2d maybe smthing's wrong

the acceleration is similar for linear and circular motion

the rotating frame is an effective spacetime distortion since rotating frames have increased mass energy and bodies are accelerated towards them with acceleration a





Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2021, 07:20:50 am
what this means is the farthest we can observe is d=c^2/2g or d=c^2 for earth
inside black holes where g is large the distance is smaller

but the gravitational acceleration g=GM/d^2 <=> d=c^2/2 * d^2/GM <=> d=d^2 c^2 /2GM <=> d=2GM/c^2 the schwartzild radius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius

if you use this cite this page or pm me
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2021, 22:15:01 pm
so how fast do you have to rotate to create measurable spacetime distortions?
d=c^2/2g <=> d=c^2/2ω^2d <=> d=c/ω*sqrt(2) <=> ω=c/d sqrt2 or 2.043.549.469 rpm for 1 meter radius
that's 2 billion rpm!

why make an alcubierre drive when you can rotate stuff with billions of rpms to make a warp drive?


Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 01, 2022, 00:29:48 am
let's say you have two point-reference frames just like in relativity theory called A and B

there is no way to know which one is rotating

if you're an outside observer you know that A is orbiting B but for A it's B that's rotating because for point reference frames there are no centrifugal forces and A is stationary for itself, in one case it's A on the outside of B and on the other case it's B outside of A but these two are the same because there's no way for A or B to know which one is rotating for real!

we've covered two cases for now

now let's say that both A and B are rotating at the same speed, in the first case it's A on the outside of B so
A observes B accelerating in the opposite direction with acceleration a=v^2/r , in the second case it's B outside of A and A observers B accelerating towards it with acceleration a=v^2/r so this is equal to a gravitational potential a=g, any acceleration is equal to a gravitational potential or a spacetime distortion  and a=v^2/r applies for any kind of motion linear or circular

does the direction of a matter? no since this acceleration points anywhere on a circle so it can have all directions it doesn't have to be towards the center so the acceleration can point to another direction than r

the most important result is the lorrentz factor is now γ=1/sqrt(1-ar/c^2) so for a distance of one light second or 300.000.000 meters any acceleration would result in very large apparent contraction and dilation







Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2022, 10:02:33 am
Nice stuff, Geon! A bit to mathematical for me, at the moment, as i cannot spend so much time on this.
What do you know about these longitudinal waves and their properties of being sucked up by water and to create a higher state of energy in the water?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Longitudinal waves, the secret?
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2022, 22:26:05 pm
I don't know about water sucking energy from longitudinal waves,  I'm taking a break, I need to make some $$, sometime I'll get back to it, the math is very simple, I mean I haven't used tensors in any of this, I just use algebra and differentiation for every proof, maybe I need to make some new notation or something. it's too much of a coincidence that I can get the same results when I equate linear with circular motion, I mean when something rotates it gains mass because it gains energy so it gains gravitational potential or I should say everything around it gains mass btw where is sebosfato?

there's one important rule in the universe and that is the action-reaction principle or conservation of momentum! too big of a framework needed to justify longitudinal action-reaction!