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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Stanley's Vic => Topic started by: Dankie on October 12, 2008, 19:55:20 pm

Title: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 12, 2008, 19:55:20 pm
I wanted to nail the winding the first time . I`ll be making the VIC 6-1 with removeable sections.

Im pretty sure the bifilars are wound section by section using the regular winding technique *right to left then left to right on the next layer then right to left on the next layer and so on...*

Im pretty sure the secondary is wound like this also.

What im not sure about is the primary tho , heres a picture of what 2curious did .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=669&start=30

It seems to me like he used the technique *right to left then left to right on the next layer then right to left on the next layer and so on...* but that he reversed the pitch angle of each layer so that his windings make an X

Also i have this method in mind , i`m really not sure about this ,  i guess the bifilars and secondary would be way too annoying to wind this way in a thin spool but maybe the primary ? Really unsure of this method.

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76661861gz4.png

what do you guys think of all this ?
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 13, 2008, 23:25:13 pm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

it seems as if the Winding of 2curious and Naudin have similarities....I think i made up my mind regarding the windings.

Thx guys....

Make several coils and see which are the best.
200 windings are easy..

br
steve
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2008, 03:38:53 am
dankie in the link to naudins site you linked to his scalar waves experiment......i hope your not trying to wind your meyers bifilar coil in a cadecus manner.....the wires are to be wound in the same direction but hooked up to oppose each other.......look at naudins meyers replication......and kevin wests......look at the way the bifilar is hooked up....in the schematic it looks easy but notice naudins numbers for his bifilar coil hookups.....1243........very important.....kevin west does a great job by straight up showing you the connections.....and meyers puts a lovely dot on his more in depth diagrams.......i have already made a bifilar coil......and to get it to create a second pulse like meyers states it has worked with this method.......look at kevin wests diagram of his bifilar coil that is the best visual to use.......a cadecus coil like in hte link provided will take what ever wave you put into and simply destroy it......destroy meaning it will turn it ino super 1 mile long ELF frequencies........this was the purpose of his experiment......i have heavily researched into scalar waves and the cadecus winding......there is a difference between interweaved and cadecus.....

just trying to make your first winding not a complete failure and to save you time....
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2008, 05:21:11 am
Put up the link here so i can see plz , i cant find nothing on his crappy site .
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2008, 06:26:51 am
well his crappy site is filled with much valuable information.

here notice how it is connected.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/WFFLRCcircuit.jpg)

notice the coil orientation...on the bifilar winding.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/orientationofvic.jpg)

notice in both of the above images the flow is set to go against each other....

that is why in jlnaudins bifilar schematic it is 1243 instead of 1234...........just buy bifilar wire and wind it nice and simple.......then set it up to run against each other......here is an image posted a long ass time ago WHICH EXPLAINS TESLAS BIFILAR COIL PERFECTLY THIS IS HOW IT IS HOOKED UP!.....i have tried it the other way with no results.....you just get the same pulse out that you go in.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/neogen_bifilar_with_wfc_165.jpg)

and a video.....
http://hhocarkits.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&Itemid=26&id=51 (http://hhocarkits.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&Itemid=26&id=51)
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2008, 22:51:02 pm
Great reply H20 , this is something one should ponder on , but how is some 1 supposed to match the inductance of the primary .030 with the secondary .002 . Its slightly farther from the core true but not that much , and its Bigger as well .

Where exactly in the brief does he point towards that direction ? can you quote me this plz , i'm a bit puzzled .

Kinesis , H20 is right , the drawings meyers did are correct , and i believe the injector has the chokes hooked up like naudin , not like the neogen Crux hookup. What i really need help understanding is the primary winding . I see now what you mean by 1243 and 1234 , i think my coil setup will be 1234 .


Stan Says ****longitudinal wrap and layered bidirectionnal****
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2008, 01:36:17 am
H2OPOWER


I know you have more experience with the VIC than I do as I have not yet tried to build it. I know the inductances are required to match match.

The thing I wonder about is why does the primaries inductance have to match?

It is not a part of the secondary HV circuit, It is only magnetically coupled to the secondary through the inductance coupling...

And the primary is not an LC circuit so it will not resonate, will it?


ALSO,  will the chokes have ot be the same gauge as the secondary if they are not made of 430 SS?
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2008, 03:43:48 am
ughh.

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Kinesis , H20 is right , the drawings meyers did are correct , and i believe the injector has the chokes hooked up like naudin , not like the neogen Crux hookup. What i really need help understanding is the primary winding . I see now what you mean by 1243 and 1234 , i think my coil setup will be 1234 .

naudin had his hooked up like meyer like neogens and like kevin wests......that is what the 1243 means......look at the dot orientation on the resonant charging chokes.....peopel jsut simplify it in schematics to show the concept the only person that drew it how it is visually seen is kevin west and neogen.....meyers put a lovely dot.....and naudin number it correctly.....wind it how ever you feel.....but you can't go wrong with bifilar winding.....becuase you can just connect it differently when you realize it won't work 1234, but will only work 1243 or even 2134.......if you don't wind them together in the same direction you will have problems......just take 2 wires wind them together side by side the whole way through and when you connect it to the circuit the current has to oppose each other to cancel each other out.


i may be making this comlicated sounding but the neogen image, naudins numbers, meyers dot orientation on the resonant charging chokes, and kevin west's visual layout are all one in the same.
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2008, 08:17:30 am
H2opower,

You answered my question. Thanks for all the help you have given us all here! It is very appreciated!!!

I try to help where I can, but there's still a lot I don't know still!
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2008, 12:37:53 pm
Dankie please play nice and double check your post before posting them.

 If you feel negative about something and you would like to post your negative comment on something you do not think would work, then Please take the time and learn how to reply in a way to get your point across and not make fights or members unhappy.

H20, Keep up the good work, and next time something like this bothers you Please report it to me.

Dankie, Play nice, your attitude here is a bit better than last time, but its going to have to get a bit better then it already is. Please work on it.
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2008, 23:06:40 pm
to be completely honest this method seems way to complex......getting a simple audio transformer, and then making the bifilar coil on a seperate core is a much more rational way to go for your first time around.......
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2008, 00:02:45 am
why are you so bent on doing this all on one core?......there are many ways to skin a cat.....but why take the hardest way to accomplish when you are just beginning.
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2008, 02:48:51 am
why are you so bent on doing this all on one core?......there are many ways to skin a cat.....but why take the hardest way to accomplish when you are just beginning.

I think you are talking to me, right? I do so just because I can do it and to me it isn't all that hard too do. I am going for some of Meyer end product just before his untimely death. I have already made a lot of Meyer old transformer set ups so for me the end product is already understood. This is just the way I am doing things, there are many other ways of doing this.  I was ask, " How to make all coils have the same inductance," so I answered, it's just that simple. And I am far from just begining on this technology for in the begining I made the donut core of Meyer just as the patent says it should be made, so did Kevin West for we worked on the same stuff back then, and now I am at his last transformer wth a really good understanding of why Stanley Meyer made it.

I have already gotten my car's 1.8L engine to run on water alone, it just has zero power and I can't do anything with it. So I went back to the drawing board, and now I feel I am ready for more engine trials expecting far better results than the last time. I may fail again, but that's okay with me for then it's back to the drawing board once again. But the end goal for me is energy independence and unlike a lot of people working on this technology all I want is the freedom of putting my life back under my control, and will just take the savings this technology will bring.

Energy independence is my end goal,
h2opower.

h2o not talking to you relax!!! everyone is getting all bent out of shape on this forum arhghghg! i seriously love everyone....everyone has their own personalities so who the fuck cares.......as a collective we are doing a damn good job.
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2008, 02:58:44 am
we should all soon be posting our videos of us running mini engines within the next 2 months or LESS.....we have the potential so let's just crack down.....i am planning on buying a moped for around 80 dollars off craiglist and modifying this.....i want to try plasma plugs mixed with hho gas and water vapor for my first test......but once i am have my cell fully running i will post it's entire-ity on the forum with the parts and everything.....i had gotten my cell to produce the tidal wave form exactly as meyer patents but the voltage wasn't stepped up to a high enough degree......i was lacking resistance......i also blew my transformer by pushing the frequencies beyond its audible range....audible being 15khz tops.


i am really focused on kevin west and hydrocars at this moment......they are right on the nail with the resonance of the vic circuit....and dankie i look forward to your use of SS wire......this will be highly interesting seeing that you will be one of the first people to have used this in the vic coil......let's not be so sensitve on this forum UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE THAT WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES and that's what makes us us.....everyone needs to stop being so complaicant, we are not little girls, and if someone on here hurts your feelings with knowledge, than get up and introduce your knowledge to them as your defense instead of complain to stevie....no one likes cry babies.

and by me saying this i am even complaining......but let's just put this out here on the table, and it's sad i have to even mention this to a group of adults.

this forum is different from any of the other bullshit forums out there........i feel this is one of the only forums with actual tangible information and correct analysis of stanley meyers work.

Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2008, 03:19:53 am

this forum is different from any of the other bullshit forums out there........i feel this is one of the only forums with actual tangible information and correct analysis of stanley meyers work.



Thank you kines, We will go to whatever means necessary to keep the Instigators from roaming this forum. Today we have had 25 new members.

We clearly have a reputation to think about, and it is not going to get jepordized by a few insane folks loosing their heads.

I wish i did not have to step into post as much as i do, here lately its all i've been doing is stepping between people. It has to end, its stressfull. 

Please Stay on topic! It would help me out alot!
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2008, 14:52:23 pm
Hi,

So all emotions are out our systems now.
Lets continue with facts and lots of respect for eachother and remember that we all may think different on specific ideas.
Do not try to convince eachother, but show the differences in inside!

Thanks
And have fun!

br
Steve
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2009, 23:11:21 pm
Is anybody selling the VIC bobbin yet?
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2009, 02:28:33 am
ask donaldwfc
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2013, 09:09:38 am
I just finished my design for coil spinner assembly and began printing to solid body printer. Ever try to find a service provider for twisting film coated electrical wire as thin as your hair? If you want the job done you have to build the tools yourself.

 the benefits of bifilar wire vary depending on direction of induced current flow but for my purpose raise the capacitance of opposing current flows against the capacitance of the load like this, pulse pulse pulse pulse charge1 charge2+charge1 charge2+charge3 charge3+charge4 collapse extract electrons from dielectric with least constant and repeat cycle. So, here is the machine needed for the needed bifilar capability.

I like the pancake coil theory because it matches one of stans latest drawings found in the tech brief.  note also that he described his bifilar windings as axially spiraled pair.  That is my goal and to make this machine an open source project because I need help financially to complete the first prototype and build for those who make contribution - how is the best way to structure it so I could focus on the fabrication environment instead of the administrative function?

Here is the video for the new spool spinner machine, give us your feedback:  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/1810618606?token=539571d1
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2013, 09:28:24 am
Is anybody selling the VIC bobbin yet?

Unfortunately, yes.  they're expensive though.  it takes me about a week to make from better than derlin material and I estimate charging 600 for one, 800 for two, 1000 for 3, 1200 for 4 of them.

Here is a photo of mine below but right now I am trying to ask for help with a spool spinner design I'm building to give capability of producing axially spiraled 430 f/fr film coated stainless wire 38AWG.  If anybody knows where to buy more of the wire I need some.  I need help from someone who could handle contributions and for an open source project to build the first in house wire spinner and we could pay them back with the machine after they're working.

Notice I haven't wound any wire on vic bobbin core yet because that would not be following the tech brief instructions without a spool spinner machine to twist the wire together first.

Here is the video for the new spool spinner machine, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/1810618606?token=539571d1
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2013, 21:59:01 pm
my winder

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1133.0.html (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1133.0.html)
Title: Re: Winding method
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2013, 23:37:56 pm
It took 3 months to make the winder. I had to do a lot of prototyping to see what worked. Especially the trolley.
 
The winder is a prototype. It works well.  There are some improvements that I'll put into the next one I make.
 
The counter came from allelectronics, I hand made the box it is in along with the buttons. The board is in the top section of the winder.
 
The main drive is out of an inkjet printer.
 
The wire tensioner was also made twice before I got that right.

Thats pretty impressive work you did.  I was an electronics engineer fresh out of school and straight into the computer garage era back when Apple hadn't even come out yet.  Intel representative noticed we were purchasing certain chips from them and came to our house in Los Angeles holding Apples first computer and told us we have competition!  Now that I'm up in years I'm in Stan Meyers garage looking around and thinking we need to take action on some capabilities we're missing for the moment.

In order to follow the tech. brief for 38awg 430 f/31 wire to be twisted thousands of feet at a time without breaking I came up with a new prototype I think will work.

I hope you will leave feedback for the idea and let me know if any of you think we could make this happen:  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/1810618606?token=539571d1

Thanks.  Ron.