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Electrolysis => Fuel Cells => Cell that collects H and O separatly => Topic started by: Steve on July 13, 2008, 09:43:14 am
Title: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2008, 09:43:14 am
Hi haroldcr,
Just put your info here. Lets see how the reactions will be. ;) I am looking forward to it!
br steve
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2008, 15:04:41 pm
Hi guys
There has been talk of seperating the 2 gasses, H2 & O . While reading one of my books, I found that Magnetic Seperation, is a Partial solution. Hydrogen will still be mixed with Oxygen, be it a small amount.
Passing the gas from the Electrolyser, through a Diluted Sulphuric Acid Solution, will fully seperate the water Vapor and Oxygen from the Hydrogen. The Hydrogen, will flow from the container, while the rest is retained.
How this will be seperated later from the Acid, it did not say, and, my time is very limited to persue what all you guys are experimenting with. Farm life and sawmilling-lumber business, has me pretty well restricted to Internet, and my dial-up, here in CR, is poor at best.
Don't know if this info is any help, but, maybe someone can do some searching, to come up with a way to use this ???
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2008, 16:26:50 pm
Very interesting Harold. I had noted the problem of applying a vacuum to the electrolysis lowered the boiling point of water. This could possibly be the remedy of extracting the hydrogen from the steam generated by this vacuum boiling before it condenses. Are there any specifics as to the delution of Sulfuric Acid, eg. what to mix it with, etc.? Does it state how long the delution would be effective before it needs to be changed? Very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2008, 19:16:27 pm
There has been talk of seperating the 2 gasses, H2 & O . While reading one of my books, I found that Magnetic Seperation, is a Partial solution. Hydrogen will still be mixed with Oxygen, be it a small amount.
Passing the gas from the Electrolyser, through a Diluted Sulphuric Acid Solution, will fully seperate the water Vapor and Oxygen from the Hydrogen. The Hydrogen, will flow from the container, while the rest is retained.
How this will be seperated later from the Acid, it did not say, and, my time is very limited to persue what all you guys are experimenting with. Farm life and sawmilling-lumber business, has me pretty well restricted to Internet, and my dial-up, here in CR, is poor at best.
Don't know if this info is any help, but, maybe someone can do some searching, to come up with a way to use this ???
Harold,
Thanks for sharing! Lets see what we can do with this info. I am happy you found our forum with yr dailup! ;)
br Steve
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2008, 00:11:33 am
Thanks Stevie.
I read some more in that book, and am debating whether to add it here or in another thread. Not much time to read and post, although I read here as often as possible. Some damn smart people on this site. :o
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2012, 14:03:32 pm
Sorry, I don't speak English very well... Here I leave a likn related to the topic:
I think that it is produced hydrogen from water vapor Best regards
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2012, 16:39:04 pm
Welcome to the forum!
Thanks for the links.
Best Regards
Sebosfato
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2012, 18:06:56 pm
Sorry, I don't speak English very well... Here I leave a likn related to the topic:
I think that it is produced hydrogen from water vapor Best regards
Brian, this looks like the same you are doing with the boilerplate cell....
Steve
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2012, 21:28:24 pm
I do not know if this is electrolysis. The man uses electric current of 220 V.. In the minute 2:58 something catches fire inside. I do not know what it is. Do you help me to consider it? Somehow he gets vapor. The metal grate is a kind of wick, that is maintained hot in red I don't know what that adds to the water..Can it be alcohol? I do not believe that it be acid..
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2012, 21:57:29 pm
I think i understood it...
when water vapor meets melting hot iron or other metal it becomes hydrogen... by the oxidation of the metal...
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2012, 10:01:15 am
when water vapor meets melting hot iron or other metal it becomes hydrogen... by the oxidation of the metal...
If you look on how the geet is working, and how other methodes work on creating hydrogen, then i think that this cooker is using a bit electrolysis and a red hot waterheater, which also might heat up the steam. The heater might be of iron, which would provide even more hydrogen. And yes, he is using alcohol for lowering the burnrate of the flame. He needs some carbons to do this. Alcohol is a good provider of carbons.
Steve
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2012, 17:10:08 pm
Steve, You have a correct reasoning. Thank you The queerness of all this is 1. The man uses 220 AC (in electrolysis the normal thing is AD). Some adapter is not appreciated 2. Make good use of gas directly without bubbler hho and without filter and it does not seem dangerous Everything seems so simple!
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2012, 22:05:17 pm
Steve, You have a correct reasoning. Thank you The queerness of all this is 1. The man uses 220 AC (in electrolysis the normal thing is AD). Some adapter is not appreciated 2. Make good use of gas directly without bubbler hho and without filter and it does not seem dangerous Everything seems so simple!
He might have a rectifier inside his heater to create dc from ac... Or do you know more of this inventor?
Steve
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2012, 22:10:09 pm
I think he simply makes water vapor, probably pulsing 200v dc to the water ... and makes a step down transformer to put high current for melting the iron and make the reaction... if you could sell the iron oxide it would become economically viable...
A modified MOT could be useful for that...
Title: Re: Seperate Hydrogen from water vapor-oxygen
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2012, 22:35:53 pm
I do not know more from this inventor. But I have observed more very simple inventions of the Philippines:
Yes, it seems that it runs an extreme electrolysis directly plug as you said in latest reply and turned on the gas without fear directly. We have to try this!