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Title: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2021, 10:21:18 am
Does anybody have this patent?
patent application, filed, Sept. 16, 1981, U.S. Ser. No. 302,807, for Hydrogen Generator, a hydrogen gas generating system

If so, please share it with me.
Thanks!

Steve
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2021, 10:06:37 am
anybody?
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2021, 17:21:03 pm
My wife is in surgery, I will look as soon as I can, it's possible I have it because I knew to download everything I could get my hands on before they all got lost. Just give me time and I will look as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2021, 17:27:53 pm
Where did you get the patent number?
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2021, 20:25:36 pm
Where did you get the patent number?

I am sorry to hear of your wife, Brian....

I got it from the famous Meyer movie and from his other patents where he mentioned it....
But i dont have it....and i cannot find it....
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2021, 19:11:29 pm
That's actually an application number.  These aren't kept on file indefinately.  About your only chance of getting it is if someone downloaded it back then.

Meyer refered to it as "co pending".  It may have been granted as a patent, or he could have abandoned it.  This can happen if all the claims are duplicated in a subsequent patent.  But, the abandoned application could still have contained key information not included in a subsequent filing.

Hope you can find it and share it with us.
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 31, 2021, 08:53:31 am
Thanks and i will, as soon as i have it...
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2021, 13:36:59 pm
I had the same problem when trying to research the Australian and German Patent database.  The Australian patents were applied for but abandoned  The German references
might be the German indexing number for EP or WIPO in the German database    Another problem occurs in the Titles because a translation from an English language patent to
Japanese or German and the when translated back by machine translation the titles are different

An example of this is the Japanese cross reference handed out  at the Bremen conferences and posted here at ionizationx  Sometimes the denotation and connotation
issues in translation result in an approximation of the meaning.  Add to that , the need by Meyer to invent phrases to describe hitherto unknown processes adds to the imprecision
and "fuzziness"  Frank Close, the head of the Theoretical Physics Dept. over at  Rutherford Laboratories ran into the same problem....He discusses this in the "It Runs on Water" programme.

The following link is a to years and serial number for a US patent  and  has a xx/yyyy format

Since the 1981 year does not go up to  302807 for  that year,  use a google search for 6/303807  ( dropped the zero in the x field
which results in a link to US patent  US4613304A  titled "Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator"

Link to table:
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/filingyr.htm

regards
Just google  4613304A and download the pdf from google.patents or the US patent office
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2021, 10:09:22 am
I hope that you can help here, Jim.
You have all kinds of detective qualifications....

Please help to find the genisis patent of Meyer.
It will shine a light on a lot i think.

Thanks
Steve
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2021, 18:20:59 pm
Answer for  patent series 302807

 xx/yyyyyy format
 
a search for patent series 6/302807 brings up US Pat 4613304A
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2021, 19:33:49 pm
Yes, i had the same

That patent just mentioned the other one...
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2021, 08:46:29 am
Answer for  patent series 302807

 xx/yyyyyy format
 
a search for patent series 6/302807 brings up US Pat 4613304A

I hope that you can continue searching for this patent, Jim. I think it will clarify a lot about the basic technic of Stan....

cheers!
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2021, 12:35:05 pm
If you do a patent search on the us patent office, and wait like 20 SpongeBob years, you will get access to 2 patents where Stan used additives.
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2021, 17:08:43 pm
If you do a patent search on the us patent office, and wait like 20 SpongeBob years, you will get access to 2 patents where Stan used additives.
and why did you not post them here?

Would have helped.....

cheers
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 20, 2021, 18:29:22 pm
Nobody has to follow a patent in order to make something to work.

It is more than proved that there is nothing true about that in the patent.
Some can argue back and forth but in the end there is no sucessfull replication of this work, not in the condiitons mentioned in the patents.

The only way to do this is start from the earlier work and try to find out how to improve that.

Forget miracle claims of no amps, it will consume power whatever you like it or not.
The difference is there will not be a chemical reaction, there will be no additives to the water and there will not be any reaction with the electrodes, chemically.
Patent figures was just exagerated to be distinct from electrolysis and grant the patent.
And there is no f*cking capacitor WFC, just a non linear resistor.
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2021, 17:22:50 pm
Nobody has to follow a patent in order to make something to work.

It is more than proved that there is nothing true about that in the patent.
Some can argue back and forth but in the end there is no sucessfull replication of this work, not in the condiitons mentioned in the patents.

The only way to do this is start from the earlier work and try to find out how to improve that.

Forget miracle claims of no amps, it will consume power whatever you like it or not.
The difference is there will not be a chemical reaction, there will be no additives to the water and there will not be any reaction with the electrodes, chemically.
Patent figures was just exagerated to be distinct from electrolysis and grant the patent.
And there is no f*cking capacitor WFC, just a non linear resistor.

that came out of your hart  ;D
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2021, 17:23:25 pm
its just a very leaky capacitor.....
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 22, 2021, 14:36:50 pm
Just saving everyone's time and frustration.

Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.

Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
Title: Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 22, 2021, 21:16:53 pm
Just saving everyone's time and frustration.

Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.

Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...

now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?