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Title: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2019, 09:56:48 am
A coil is equivalent of mass in a mechanical resonant circuit... Meyer explains that restricting amps is possible to apply voltage fields to the water. To make water resonate by closing the circuit and appliing ac is not hard but it will generate a high current flow.

Is a long time i feel it this way but it seems like if we get a coil of certain size its going to have enough mass to resonate with water spring constant... However from what i see from stan legacy he clearly stated the coils are on both sides of the water cell. This mean he is using the fields of the coils just like if each coil resonate with each plate separetely. However to let the circuit to receive the electric force it indeed need to be a closed circuit. Here is where the resistance come into play. If we have two coils maybe on the same transformer and on both sides of he cell the cirqt.can be closed on the other side by a resistor... This resistor would allow some current to flow but basically it will allow each side of the cell to receive an electric field restricted in amps so is possible to resonate the cell and perhaps apply from the other sode a min dc to start the spliting...
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Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2019, 09:59:50 am
The resonance involved on the coils must match water resonant frequency to maximize the effect of course. 
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2019, 16:01:48 pm
I came up with a circuit where it generates an ac resonance on cois and at water only dc current can flow and each pulse recharge the dc source partialy... 

3 coils of same lenght form primary and two chokes so the chokes have twice the dc voltage when sumed ... Perhaps it could also be step down dow to 3:1 or maybe 5:1 this will change the frequency of the dischare pulse... During pulse on the chokes charge the cell and the batery and durinh discharge the cell and dc source receives again another pulse..

I designed a simple regenerative clamp too to get rid of the primary energy
Title: Maybe we should just believe
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2019, 16:43:25 pm
If the primary is bigger than c1 and c2 sumed it will be a step down this mean that during pulse on it should only apply voltage field but not current since the voltage wont be able to overcome the source potential. And during the discharge pulse because of the collapse voltage can grow many times higher and thereto cause the charging... If we could combine 2 or 3 circuits of this in parallel and off phase it would be the equivalent of the vic synch pulse circuit and crossover option..
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2019, 17:40:26 pm
That's a good looking circuit, Fabio.  Right now I'm a little short on oven diodes.  I ordered a bag of 40 from China but they turned out to be counterfeit; not one of them will charge a cap.  I downloaded your circuit diagram for future reference.  Thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2019, 09:01:44 am
I came up with a circuit where it generates an ac resonance on cois and at water only dc current can flow and each pulse recharge the dc source partialy... 

3 coils of same lenght form primary and two chokes so the chokes have twice the dc voltage when sumed ... Perhaps it could also be step down dow to 3:1 or maybe 5:1 this will change the frequency of the dischare pulse... During pulse on the chokes charge the cell and the batery and durinh discharge the cell and dc source receives again another pulse..

I designed a simple regenerative clamp too to get rid of the primary energy
Nice Fabio!
I am curious if this raises efficiency  :)
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2019, 09:10:44 am
A coil have some characteristics that make it more inductive or more conductive... If we reduce the coil to a linear segment of wire we see that the more crossection of copper the greater will be the conduction and lower the voltage drop for dc...

A capacitor should have zero field outside, thats because the positive and negative charges are alligned in two planes and so between the plates the field sum and out they subtract...

The greater is the dielectric the higher will be the charge for the same voltage...

Now how this apply to a coil?

How do we design a coil to have the most electric charge on its end points for the same voltage applied to it?

If we add a magnetic material to the coil it increase the inductance... This increase the energy the coil would carrie for the same amps flow. However like a capacitor it would need more charge to make the same energy... The lower is a capacitor the higher will be the energy per unity of charge..  A coil reversely will have more energy if more amps flow and the lower the inductance more amps can flow.


To create the high fields we need for stimulating water cell resonance only with fields wr are going to need a resonant tank to be able to have the coils to be polarized with real energy not only the flux... I think the amps are important. Var

I guess if the amps are not flowing the voltage alone wont do much....

So here it goes...

How do we design a coil to have most of its electric field useable and not only closing in itself like a capacitor?

My first guess is that it must have the ends of the coil far from each other

The coil former must be thick isolation or even air or vaccum, oil etc

The thickness of the wire seems to be important to make the coil work cold...

....

The coil terminations must go into water and must not have other ways for electric field to cut ways

The resistance or capacitancr that may close the resonant tank forms a voltage drop allong the circuit this will restrict the amps and at the same time make the cois termination to have the electric field according with the current flowing...


We must master this problems to be get the cell to 🔥



Title: Milivolt electrolysis
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2019, 18:21:24 pm
I was thinking and thinking over and over again and my conclusion is that we are looking at meyer resonance in the wrong way...

The main problem with electrolysis is the rate of production and the minimum voltage required to make the ions disharge

The water cell is not only a capacitor... Its actually a resonant cavity full of water ions...

This mean that its a resonant circuit in itself and has a characteristic frequency that is dependent on ion concentration temperature and pressure

This mean that when we apply the smallest possible signal to it at the right frequency it will peak like if it were a parallel resonant circuit so current should drops, peaks or get out of phase or in phase..

If we apply a fixed voltage to a parallel resonant circuit it will only have that maximum voltage that is being applied and current reading going toward zero is the only way to see the peak of resonance frequency..

Thats why anyone saw anything until now is hard to see any current variation if you are already over 1.24v

 In series circuit you apply a fixed voltage across the components voltage can rise with current..the z tends to zero. Meyer clearly stated he used series resoanance meaning that he was applying low voltage to get current and voltage peak but why to do that? How low can be the cell z? Well it seems to me he used one series resonance applying milivolts to get the cell ions resonance to match to the electrical resoanance of the choke, input and cell capacitance  and at same time apply dc over it... Some will be lost power since will generate a magnetic field on the choke... Dc must be pulsed for that reason

The dc may be the gate signal another low voltage signal . thats why it may be a full wave bridge rectifier or another way to generate low voltage with very high current ability perhaps a very big welding transformer pulsed with 0.5 hz



Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 27, 2019, 18:43:05 pm
Im thinking over and over and perhaps at least two cells runing on resoance will be required each with its own series circuit but sharing a dual isolated dc power supply... This could be two baterries one charged one less charged the idea is each time one charge the other than reverse ...


Im trying to get my life back and active i have just got rid of some worms that was giving me lots of pain and lack of energy and sleep for perhaps years... And geting my house organized, my small business going and bills paid.. Im building some shelfs to organize my prototypes and tools and hopefully soon will be able to be back prototyping and testing more.

Im puting together a website to sell a product i created for recycling thermal energy from air conditioning and refrigerators for use as hot water...

Www.energycycle.com.br its multilanguage and is not yet published and under construction ....

The price will be 500 dollars pluss shipping

Hope you like it bros

I would like to make a french a german and japonese language too if anyone want to help make me know.

Im very short on money and selling beer at street to be able to live and develop all this...  If anyone is willing to help me with funds i thank you a lot ... Im sure it will be a boom on sales...

My prototype already works and has a app to control and show how much you save in energy.  Its instaled on your refrigerator or air conditioning as a small tuning modification... It works better and also reduce the power consumption since the heat exchange is much more efficient.

I need to make a drawing design to make the box of it and make the manuals of instalation.

Who wants to be part of it?
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2019, 09:12:10 am
Hi Fabio,

Its good to have you back here. It seems to me that you are having a rough time, surviving....
Where can people donate, if they want to?

About the products you want to market, can you show a bit more? You want to wrap some pipes around the pipes of  the airco,s?

The website is very slow, btw.
I can offer you free space and hosting on my webserver, if you want....
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2019, 10:13:37 am
Thanks a lot bro! Im going to make a video showing the functionality... I made a convertion box it has sensors and a pump and a heat exchanger to transport the heat to water.. The instalation is done by taking the gas out of the system, make a interruption on the high pressure linde than soldering my device on it and its done. It detects the heat and turn on the pump to circulate the water.. Very simple system but i made a app that calculate the energy you saved in the last month and you can set up the parameters you want, like the desired temperature you want your water.

The good thing about it is that it takes all the eleectrical energy you already spend for refrigerating plus all the heat the system woud be throwing away... The cop can be up to 3 or 4.  Isnt this amazing?

For donations i still have my bringpowertothepeople@gmail.com or sebosfato@gmail.com accounts on paypal

I was planing to make a kind of pre sale to be able to get the money to make the first professional production of the prototype..  My prototype is here more thab one year working with no leaks although i didnt turned on so many times because the prototype i build was just for demo...

I used a 250 liter water tank as example and the system was a chiller that would freeze about 30 liters of water.. Bringing the temp on reservoir easily to 37C

The reservoir was not insulated and leak heat a lot... Also the chiller has a limited energy available since when it freezes no more energy is available to heat other than the electrical going in ... Big deal anyway the cop will be greater than 1!
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2019, 10:41:35 am
Thanks a lot bro! Im going to make a video showing the functionality... I made a convertion box it has sensors and a pump and a heat exchanger to transport the heat to water.. The instalation is done by taking the gas out of the system, make a interruption on the high pressure linde than soldering my device on it and its done. It detects the heat and turn on the pump to circulate the water.. Very simple system but i made a app that calculate the energy you saved in the last month and you can set up the parameters you want, like the desired temperature you want your water.

The good thing about it is that it takes all the eleectrical energy you already spend for refrigerating plus all the heat the system woud be throwing away... The cop can be up to 3 or 4.  Isnt this amazing?

For donations i still have my bringpowertothepeople@gmail.com or sebosfato@gmail.com accounts on paypal

I was planing to make a kind of pre sale to be able to get the money to make the first professional production of the prototype..  My prototype is here more thab one year working with no leaks although i didnt turned on so many times because the prototype i build was just for demo...

I used a 250 liter water tank as example and the system was a chiller that would freeze about 30 liters of water.. Bringing the temp on reservoir easily to 37C

The reservoir was not insulated and leak heat a lot... Also the chiller has a limited energy available since when it freezes no more energy is available to heat other than the electrical going in ... Big deal anyway the cop will be greater than 1!

I think it is a great idea to use th epower already spend....
I have seen computer datacentres using the heat from all their servers to warm up houses.
I am looking forward to some sort of demo video ;-)
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2019, 10:44:06 am
The site im building using the divi theme.. I got for one year and the host i got for one year at mochahost hoping is not too bad... I think the site is slow because is not using cache plugin yet because im still building for this next week s.. With the cache plugin it sometimes takes some time to update changes so i decided to leave off for now....  Anyhelp you can give me on that i really thank bro. I know very few about sites...

Im open to ideas and getting partnershipps for this. I think this can be a good source for money for boosting up our meyer research.

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 28, 2019, 10:47:53 am
Thanks a lot bro! Im going to make a video showing the functionality... I made a convertion box it has sensors and a pump and a heat exchanger to transport the heat to water.. The instalation is done by taking the gas out of the system, make a interruption on the high pressure linde than soldering my device on it and its done. It detects the heat and turn on the pump to circulate the water.. Very simple system but i made a app that calculate the energy you saved in the last month and you can set up the parameters you want, like the desired temperature you want your water.

The good thing about it is that it takes all the eleectrical energy you already spend for refrigerating plus all the heat the system woud be throwing away... The cop can be up to 3 or 4.  Isnt this amazing?

For donations i still have my bringpowertothepeople@gmail.com or sebosfato@gmail.com accounts on paypal

I was planing to make a kind of pre sale to be able to get the money to make the first professional production of the prototype..  My prototype is here more thab one year working with no leaks although i didnt turned on so many times because the prototype i build was just for demo...

I used a 250 liter water tank as example and the system was a chiller that would freeze about 30 liters of water.. Bringing the temp on reservoir easily to 37C

The reservoir was not insulated and leak heat a lot... Also the chiller has a limited energy available since when it freezes no more energy is available to heat other than the electrical going in ... Big deal anyway the cop will be greater than 1!

I think it is a great idea to use th epower already spend....
I have seen computer datacentres using the heat from all their servers to warm up houses.
I am looking forward to some sort of demo video ;-)

After few months i build it i found in finland they are already using this tech in datacenters like you said. This brough me a little dowb because i though it could not be patent however i realized that anyway it can be used on big comercial buildings and many other aplications ... It directs the heat and all the heat spend electrically is also converted.. Only a small part is lost with this system.. The compressore work less because heat is more rapidly exchanged too

I belive in one year the investment is returned for the homeuser for how much you save in energy...
Title: Tuned choke
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2019, 07:12:49 am
Stan talks about the chokes being there for tune to the dielectric properties of water...

Resonance Q factor depends on the relation of resistance to the reactance

Applying 0.3v into a 0.1ohm lcr circuit would give 3amp

The voltage across the inductor or capacitor will depend on the reactance... If the reactance is 1 ohm than you woukd have 3 volt across capacitor and inductor...

The higher a capacitance the lower will be the reactance

The water cell kind of is a capacitance too but is not only that as the ions inside can move and thereto behave conpletely different than a normal capacitor

When ion moves is like a current flowing so is like the capacitor would seem like had a bigger capacity since for every charge you put in there will be an ion that will go there to screen it...

The fact is if you apply 0.3 v into a 0.1ohm load it will consume 1 watt... However this makes 3 v across the cell at resoance so we can have a gain in voltage while applyinh amps at a lower energy level..

I think those figures with coils having 18 turns was actually the real deal for working with stainless steel on water... The high voltage system may have had some secret components we will never see.

Why i think there is going to be few turns needed?

Well to have the ability of having low xl at 5khz you need the coil to have very small inductance

For a 1xl at 5khz it would have to be 31uh and coincidentaly the capacito also need to be 31uf. This happened becaus xl is 1 and is unity

Clarity of mind

The capacitor would have to be smaller than the coil according to stan... The capacitance i measured with some equipment with very pure water was starting from very low less tha 1nf with deionized water this is 31thousand times smaller than the numer i just calculated... However adding an electrolyte to the water will increase the capacitance.... And at a certain concentration will have an increased value... Specially using the cells in parallel...

Is possible to determine matematicaly but im not this guy yet...

I know from work i did that we can increase the capacitance up to 3000 times or even 100000 times depending on the doping you have on the dielectric..  Basically having metal dispersed on water is like creating small microcapacitors that adds up

The higher the count of microcapacitors the higher will be the overal capacitance... So the higher is the concentration the higher capacitance we have

What im saying is that we can tune to the dielectric properties of water by changing the circuit parameters or we can start with pure water and simply change its properties to meet the circuit parameters

Sodium hydroxyde is more lighter than potassium so the resonance would be higher frequency i guess for same concentration...



 





Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2019, 07:20:24 am
The definition of capacitance is one faraday = 1 amp flow for 1 sec would raise the voltage by 1v

1F=1a*1s/1v

A coil having 18 turns and 6 cm long 1 inch diameter should give 31uh or so
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2019, 01:21:09 am
I like the idea of changing the waters properties to meet the circuits needs...like reaching a certain temperature.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 02, 2019, 22:44:26 pm
this is certainly the best way to go! to change circuit parameters is much harder.

im thinking on how will diodes behave under such low potential situation more about negative resistance...
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 02, 2019, 23:45:28 pm
Title: why faraday didn't discovered the polarisation process
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 01:56:04 am
Stan says faraday didn't had stainless steed and modern inventions to discover the electrical polarization process but he had almost everything he needed except of that.


Title: Magnetic gas
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 03:02:21 am
if we had a magnetizable gas inside a tube there would be a possibility to use sound resonance inside the tube to produce a kind of motion of this gas that would be able to be transformed into electricity.

I think that having sound resonance could generate emf because the gas displace will be increased amplitude...

depending on the modes of the resonance you may have the position of the coils at the tube...

perhaps the gas is going to get cold if we extract energy of it...

but an analogous system could be try with a speaker and a resonant cavity perhaps a 1 meter piece of tube with a coil to magnetize the gas and coils to measure the output of energy caused by the speaker moving the magnetised particles...

perhaps an spray of iron oxide can be used. like if it was sand you know?

question a continuos stream of iron oxide magnetised by a coil having another coil around would have emf?
Title: last posts were about epg
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 03:33:00 am
maybe someone could do an experiment with those vacuum that aspirate water in a closed loop...

something tells me that above a certain pressure difference the magnetic particles can reach very high speed

creating a chamber for the water to splash and with a small tube is possible to make this!

perhaps the epg was using freon or some other like butane and maybe a phase change like with a refrigeration cycle.. absorbing energy from ambient and transforming to electricity by the difference pressure causing a increased speed of the particles..

Title: water fuel cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 04:04:46 am
why is it called water fuel cell

stan said the water is the source of the electrons..

water fuel cell stands for like a Duracell something that has the ability to provide electricity

from what i understood each cell will develop a higher voltage at resonance with a coil driving it at low voltage so if we put this cells in series there should be addition and cancellation of phases as different frequency is assumed...

this means two things, the first is that if the cell has a charge and another cell also has a charge and you connect both in series the voltage will double when phase coherent, and this will allow the cells to discharge into one another if the circuit is closed... i could be wrong but im seeing each cell separately... but for make sure i see all sides i also imagined one thing

if the 11 cell cavity had one smalll coil or perhaps one turn coil per cell a bigger coil could oscillate the whole system being around the whole cell. this would make phase coherent so would make sense to connect the cells with a canceling phase and apply 1v to see what happen.... im thinking that perhaps connecting the cells to each other thru a diode and choke may be all that is needed to take advantage of the water fuel cell potential...

if what im saying is correct it would explain why  meyer had a vic for each cell

it would explain why he said the system is a short circuit

it would explain why his prototype electrical shield the outer electrode..

he certainly mislead us but he left behind also some true

we need to identify where is it

if we connect the cells by the inside electrode they will have equipotential while the outer electrodes being shield can be positive of negative

stan said that even the slightest voltage difference would cause ionic movement.
Title: Re: last posts were about epg
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 14:06:11 pm
maybe someone could do an experiment with those vacuum that aspirate water in a closed loop...

something tells me that above a certain pressure difference the magnetic particles can reach very high speed

creating a chamber for the water to splash and with a small tube is possible to make this!

perhaps the epg was using freon or some other like butane and maybe a phase change like with a refrigeration cycle.. absorbing energy from ambient and transforming to electricity by the difference pressure causing a increased speed of the particles..

I just got a brainwave..
The epg has a pump build in, is it.
If the ferrofluid is just pumped around, you should not really experience a change in the magnetic field.
But what if the pump is quickly going forward and backwards......
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 18:53:07 pm
actually i think there can even be other mean for the pump in that system... there were epgs without pump thought

but a fact is that if you have a toroidal magnetic field its self contained and if it move actually is like if there's no cutting of the lines...

that's why i thought about a vacuum (those used for home) than we build a box were the liquid would arrive without going into the pump...


the fact is the momentum of the particles will be transformed into electricity... the higher the speed the higher is the voltage generated so mainly the idea is that the particles must have enough energy to be able to pass thru and beyond the cAPTURING COIL... AND PERHAPS this acceleration can be caused by a pulsing magnet

i think to see any effect in the epg meyer designed it must be multipole.... meaning that all those coils were part of driving and taking the energy out...

i didn't worked much on the epg but from what i see meyer worked in a way to generate very low voltage at high amps for the cell stuff

from what i learned from the refrigeration cycle it seems to me that if we take the ambient heat to drive the epg we can really get kWh of energy if feeding back the energy to produce more but it requires absorbing heat..

basically a refrigerator is a closed system with a gas

the compressor creates a high pressure on one side (condenser) and vacuum on the other side of a capilar tube (evaporator) ...

the capilar tube is key in creating a pressure drop in the system like a resistor would restrict a current flow... when the gas in liquid phase come out of the capilar it evaporate at very low pressure so it get very cold being able to take energy from any hotter source.

when the gas is hot again it get compressed getting even hotter so its able to dissipate energy.. while dissipate energy the gas become liquid phase and pass thru the capilar over and over again

the pressure drop the capilar provides and the condensation (reduction from gas to liquid) is what actually consume the work the compressor did ... the more mass you allow to pass more power will consume...

a turbine could be used instead of the capilar to get the pressure drops instead.. this could allow for regeneration.... 

if the gas was magnetic or liquid a nozzle would create a very high speed jet of gas this high speed could be harnessed i guess








Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 03, 2019, 21:56:46 pm
getting back to meyer patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US5149407A/en

i was reading again over night and i got some info i think i overlooked

first of course he is clearly stating that combustion of ions elongated by electric and electromagnetic energy input will generate decay of atoms giving up thermal energy release in excess...

second he says that water when receive a sequence of pulses will get charged until the covalent bound rupture is reached..

in my opinion there may be two ways of getting to it

one is moderate to high voltage applied only to the inner electrode to stimulate the water resonance

other is low voltage applied across the plates in a series circuit.... he kind of describe it

but talk about the parallel mode.. in achieving resonance in any circuit, as the pulse frequency is adjusted, the flow of amps is minimized and voltage is maximized to a peak.

he kind of include the resonant choke parameters to the cell frequency calculation

different cavities have a different frequency of resonance dependent on parameters of the water dielectric, plate size, configuration and distance, circuit inductors, and the like.

also he is talking about 3 systems by obvious reason

one is the water fuel cell

one is the electron extraction cut ( a grid adjacent to the field source )

one is where the hell the electrons go! i think this he cover up with the ambient reclaim system or perhaps the ionization come to the ambient gas input

he says that the atoms that are not ionised will entrap this extra electrons

as he says there must be missing electrons such that the combustion is not simple covalent bound.

water or some other gas will be consumed during the process.. and will be this decay that will give the excess energy so is clearly straight atomic energy release under controlled state.

he was a hell lot ahead of where we are... we didn't even made the water fuel cell generate like he described... i guess still a long way to get where we need so hard work must be done

my lab is now much more organised and im planing to get my hands on some new materials, some chemicals, some plastics, capacitors, coils and test!

hopefully we are going to get there...

one phrase really makes the whole sense to me... he says thet may never exist current flow across the cell coming from the electrical circuit! this hold my theory that he is actually applying very low voltage or only one pole high voltage to make it oscillate...






 
Title: simulation
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 04, 2019, 01:07:49 am
check this simulation

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Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 04, 2019, 01:13:07 am
http://tinyurl.com/y5ktc4xv

this link is easier

you see 12v square wave into two step down 20:1 with resonance in series

so applying 600mv gives up to 2v across each capacitor on resonance... or more depending on the loading choke

at right you see the diodes and choke that tune to the dielectric properties..
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 04, 2019, 01:19:47 am
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Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 04, 2019, 04:31:27 am
http://tinyurl.com/y5ktc4xv

this link is easier

you see 12v square wave into two step down 20:1 with resonance in series

so applying 600mv gives up to 2v across each capacitor on resonance... or more depending on the loading choke

at right you see the diodes and choke that tune to the dielectric properties..

That scope shot looks a lot like what at least one type of cfl puts out - at 28 KHz.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 04, 2019, 13:20:53 pm
the main idea is that each capacitor is at resonance... in this test they are all phase coherent, so when  their voltages sums up they are able to discharge on the coil thru the diodes...

this is just the idea of the principle.. im not sure what's going to happen.. .

my idea is that since we are putting a very small voltage on the system this voltage without getting resonance is not even able to make thru the diodes.. so

there nevertheless occur amps flow across the capacitor this will only happen if we make the voltage grow without passing over 1.23v
Title: eccles
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 05, 2019, 00:05:55 am
So far the simulation show the situation for real capacitors

the water cell is not a ideal capacitor is a resonant cavity as meyer proposed... this means that the charges inside of it are able to be accelerated by the the slightest voltage field available...

perhaps is necessary to have a higher voltage superimposed to it for some reason..since meyer says that electrons are ejected from the bath.

im starting to think that is not needed at all except for ionisation and further progress of technology

the fracture cell uses high voltage and claim to be generating monoatomic hydrogen and oxygen

another patent that cited eccles patent says that eccles certainly had to have some way to discharge the ions to prevent the screening of charge also talk about tay he han patent too so another citation ( i don t remember the name of the inventor was the patent using pbn material instead of barium titanate as tay he

so if we have the plates inside the water it become clear that we don't need much of voltage since we have not a drop of voltage

eccles citate stan and says his system is expensive because he use chokes instead of just plastic to restrict the current flow..

well my best guess is a mix of high volt applied to this resonant cavities that will generate gas and heat at the same time as result ionised atoms will result and bang

the only statement that really makes no sense is that he never apply a oposite polarity across the cell and this turns the resonating thing kind of impossible with a closed circuit

my best exit to it is to create a sort of bias such that it will maintain a dc kind of field

well im about to do this tests really soon.. i need to put my 11 cell back on working so i need to probably buy some orings... planing to go there soon get them

im really interested in seeing any of you trying what i suggested

a step down 30:1 applying 12v to the primary the primary may have 30 turns and secondary one turn

than a choke with 18 turns of 18awg wire on each side of the cell (1 inch diameter air core)

no diodes yet

across the primary you may want to have a resistor and tvs for protection

for example if you pulse the primary and it reach 5 amps the discharge path must have a resistance or limit that won't let your switch burn so for a 1200v igbt i would use 200 ohms so it would peak 1000v instead i rather use a combination of resistors and tvs so they can share the peak without consuming much power
 
pulsing this system off resonance is like having no energy dissipated on the secondary so its a problem getting away with some of the energy in the primary

instead of pulsing we could apply a square wave or use a half bridge to test different situations

i guess a H bridge is ideal and i would like to buy one made professionally

to get the resonance reading we only need an amperage meter

if you get the water to resonate it will go to up in a readable manner

it may be very sharp band width

perhaps a precision of a few hertz if its in the kHz range.. this makes somewhat difficult to detect resonance so using an oscilloscope to see the wave form response to the pulsing may be a very good idea... you could plot the current using a small resistance and voltage directly since the low voltage on secondary
 
when all we get the water to resonate with the above circuit we can start playing with the diodes and how to use this water fuel cells as a power source

i found something in this patent i was talking about meyer that is the ecc grid is adjacent to the field zones and is referenced electrically to the positive electrode and guess what i don't think its submersed






















Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 05, 2019, 16:16:12 pm
woke up so well today that im going to work on this!

i will try first with my single cell its a little bit smaller than stan cell and the inner electrode is smaller than outer so its inside

the cavity has two acryilic discs below and above and with 5 small holes for water to get in and gas out respectively

the system has a small tube tank of water where the gas is bubbled and where below water is allowed to get back with no gases mixed

the tubing connecting both is a very thing acquarium silicon tube those blue used for air pumps

you can see this prototype here


one thing i learned from it is that the acrylic disk on top helps making the bubbles to form big and get away... when the cell is on, the pressure inside maintain the water level lower and lower the higher is the voltage applied... so kind of its able to resonante because of this voltage instantly cause displacement since the sizes of the cell !

hope you see what i see.. i never thought of this before but maybe that 2,5khz frequency i heard ringing could be of this action...

therefore all that is needed in this case is perhaps to add a kind of rubber or acrylic with a small hole or holes like what i did and add to the bottom and upper side of your cells to see what im talking about

this become one sort of resonant system

if we think on stan design the tank is inside and the holes are much bigger so perhaps it would resonate like this at higher frequency

but i guess this frequency can be brought down by applying this technic

its pretty much the same thing as a helmholz resonator

interesting but just that..

i will check this again lets see what happens hope to still have some good orings on it otherwise i will have to go to the place get them...

last time i was playing with potassium nitrate the voltage to start any conduction was much higher than with potassium hydroxide.. if i remember well would not conduct up to 2v or so need to find the post i wrote about it ...










Title: discharging structure
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 07:26:40 am
i read so many times those patents, im still trying o figure how to discharge the ions without using power... 

i sometimes get back to the idea that electrons in movement are magnetic... so in my view there may be somehow a way to use a permanent magnet to at least direct current flow or keep the flow after power is gone...

i know that electrons in the circuit don't show magnetic behaviour only if it is in movement but somehow perhaps we could trap those electrons in movement using arrangements of coils and permanent magnetic fields...

the idea is to try to make this physical force become an electrical force

this can be accomplished for example with piezoelectric since it will generate a voltage every time force is applied...

https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2347851A1/en?inventor=Christopher+Robert+Eccles



 
Title: audio amplifier
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 16:27:55 pm
Hey guys, today is easy to find on eBay audio amplifiers that have up to 420w with a volume button

have you ever tried this to pulse?

im considering buy a couple of different amplifiers and h bridges to test... if you have any experience on that i would like to know thanks (no money to lose with bad components.)

im not sure about how it will behave with the cell but i was thinking of adding a 4 ohm resistor in series with the primary coil because under resonance the z of the primary will get down... but also to get a parallel resistor to limit the maximum impedance it can show...

this should make the amplifier work safe and have a clean output...

https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-1157169903-placa-montada-amplificador-20-110110-220w-rms-caixa-ativa-_JM?quantity=1#reco_item_pos=11&reco_backend=machinalis-seller-items&reco_backend_type=low_level&reco_client=vip-seller_items-above&reco_id=282a18f0-8b27-42af-b0ed-22df127370b7
Title: Palladium
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 17:09:54 pm
I was thinking about one thing... if we are using lower voltage and ac we could have some more special ions present that could give catalytic help to make the conversion

for example if we had a palladium salt the palladium ions would not be able to make thru the potential but would be on the surface of the double layer facilitating the adsorption by the electrode..

i have still a solution plenty of it.. so im gonna try it though

i think palladium sulfate would be the best for this for some reason.. i had chloride still worth the shot



Title: submerging metals
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 17:29:11 pm
submerging metals in water makes their electrons to go towards its surface and forming a potential depending on the attraction the metal has to its electrons..

for example dropping an aluminum plate on water and a copper there is going to be 1v across them... however the connection of metal metal forms a very low potential barrier of few millivolts

im thinking about using a kind of water shield effect using isolated water bath for each material but connect them in series and than to the cell  to see if perhaps it can lower the barrier

i read another patent claiming that having a scratched metal surface containing two metals would result in low voltage electrolysis.

my best guess is that it will not last forever but what hell lasts for ever?

if you want to donate to help me get this audio amplifiers im planning to get two of the stereo kind...

donations can be done here... i will post videos of what im doing hope you enjoy

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=VWC2JNBWMBKDE&source=url




Title: lets keep things going
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 19:09:06 pm
i got this one https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-1283333761-tda8954-210wx2-hifi-amplificador-digital-de-alta-potncia-du-_JM#position=12&type=item&tracking_id=155c2ae3-2b7c-4ad5-9cc8-03e58228ca87 for now , it take a few days to arrive..

my plan is to try oscillating two cells like i explained.. and use their potential agains each other to generate the dc current and gas...

i will use two step down isolating transformers... the amplifier has the amplitude control already build in... 200 w per channel at 8ohm load with 40v i guess... so it can give 5 amps out

not sure if it will be enough.. driving in series is not as simple as is in parallel.. in series you have to deal with the current inline...

in series z goes to zero while in parallel z goes up in resonance..

but in parallel we cannot say if the resoance is electrical or ionic... applying voltage to the capacitor having virtually no inductance would be the desirable situation to detect the resonance... i guess a resistor bridge is what i will use.. to limit the voltage being applied by the supply in the milivolt range to the cell

for this a resistor may be used in parallel with the cell and or another resistor(s) in series... this will limit the voltage applied to the cell

lets say they primary has a 100uh it would be 3,14 ohm at 5khz for example however if the secondary has a short condition it will go even lower and it can damage the amplifier..

so i will try to use series and parallel resistor arrangement to keep the resistance to a minimum predetermined value at the input!...


Title: Re: submerging metals
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 19:15:33 pm
submerging metals in water makes their electrons to go towards its surface and forming a potential depending on the attraction the metal has to its electrons..

for example dropping an aluminum plate on water and a copper there is going to be 1v across them... however the connection of metal metal forms a very low potential barrier of few millivolts

im thinking about using a kind of water shield effect using isolated water bath for each material but connect them in series and than to the cell  to see if perhaps it can lower the barrier

i read another patent claiming that having a scratched metal surface containing two metals would result in low voltage electrolysis.

my best guess is that it will not last forever but what hell lasts for ever?

if you want to donate to help me get this audio amplifiers im planning to get two of the stereo kind...

donations can be done here... i will post videos of what im doing hope you enjoy

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=VWC2JNBWMBKDE&source=url

And so i did  ;)
keep up the good work, my friend.

Abou the resonance schematic you posted with the simulator, i can only say that it looks almost the same as the patent of Steve Meyer for that hydrogen fuelstation...
Maybe you should have a look at that.

Cheers
yr friend
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 19:49:55 pm
Thanks so much Steve you are great! its going to help a lot my friend. I will post my advance on this im putting my cells back on working and will do a lot of work on this! i will make more videos showing and explaining my theories and tests! lets hope to find something new!

 Im going to check again his patent to see what you are meaning !

:)



Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 21:38:40 pm
fig 4........
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 21:59:43 pm
it seems to me he is using a dual 3 phase system for some reason...

each capacitor has one parallel and one in series so the value is that 68uf

than each line has a kind of 2 inductors in series forming 3,4mh total inductance

this gives a resonant frequency of 331hz

the wave form is pretty much the same as mine...

i think it could be done with transformers without alternator... i would go for step down to get high current voltage amplification...

im not sure but it seems to me that he uses that capacitors as the field sources.. .  this frequency and components give 7 ohm reactance... i think we need to go under one impedance but don't know

i would be interested in building one of this... but would need to work on this 3 tube cells..
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2019, 22:03:16 pm
perhaps if we group the cells two in two we can have ate least 3 cells to work with with the 11 cell cavity.. .]
Title: Atomic energy
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 08, 2019, 23:03:43 pm
Are we wasting our time trying to generate hydrogen better?

or should we focus on the atomic energy meyer and others talked about?

i think my plan will be to build an ioniser and start to work on my generator

im going to throw a lot of power trying to make the hydrogen fracture happens//

i would need an injector

i think the idea behind the injector is a device that allow the high electrically charged (high voltage gas) to be feed into the chamber under pressure, having ambient air already ionised with opposite polarity high positive in during the intake of air ...

im going to lift the generator in a acrylic isolation to make sure it will not discharge the gas as soon as it get into it


the system should work under some vacuum to but there may be a pump that pressurise the hydrogen and force a vacum on the cell to let air or exhaust gas to be circulated

tel me your findings on ionizers and combustion
Title: Re: Atomic energy
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2019, 09:50:26 am
Are we wasting our time trying to generate hydrogen better?

or should we focus on the atomic energy meyer and others talked about?

i think my plan will be to build an ioniser and start to work on my generator

im going to throw a lot of power trying to make the hydrogen fracture happens//

i would need an injector

i think the idea behind the injector is a device that allow the high electrically charged (high voltage gas) to be feed into the chamber under pressure, having ambient air already ionised with opposite polarity high positive in during the intake of air ...

im going to lift the generator in a acrylic isolation to make sure it will not discharge the gas as soon as it get into it


the system should work under some vacuum to but there may be a pump that pressurise the hydrogen and force a vacum on the cell to let air or exhaust gas to be circulated

tel me your findings on ionizers and combustion


You are correct, Fabio. There are two groups of researchers.
1 group is trying to see as much as hydrogen for a certain amount of consumed power. This is the biggest group.
The other group (very small) is looking for cold fusion or similar. (Basically just me and Kevin, hahahahahaha)

My main project is the Stephen Horvath replication and i also have some sub projects, like the Anderson replication.
I explain why. I have read the Meyer patents a 1000 times by now. I have analysed the Anderson video and patents. Same for the Horvath patents.
I tried to figure out what they had in common and what would have been the magic trick that is needed to run an engine on water.
This is a totally different technic as if you wanted to have just hydrogen working with a fuelcell.

If you put all the info on top of each other, the following comes out if you want to run yr powergenerator or car on water.

1. basic electrolysis, which we all know what that looks like. 2 electrodes, water, additive and current.
    The outcome is also clear. H2 and O2.
     The results with a car is that you need a lot of electrical power to produce like 15 liters of hho gas, so you can ran it.
2. When you start to use a pwm and start to pulse your electrolysis cell with current, something strange starts to happen.
    You get a different type of gas. It contains more monotomic hydrogen atoms then with strait dc. What does that mean? Well, the wierd thing is that  2 single hydrogen atoms (not bonded) contains more mass and more
    energy then H2. So you have a more powerfull gas and so you need less of it to run your engine.
3. Its clear and proven that monotomic hydrogen can attach to almost every other type of atoms. So, if you pump ionized ambient air thru your waterbath during a pulsed electrolysis proces, you create ammonia gas.
     That has again more mass and energy then HHO. So you need again less gass to run your engine.
4. It is clear that there are more ways to Rome, italy. If you are able to add a magnetic field to the electrodes for speeding up the hydrogen atoms and if you add specific laser energy or soft x rays, then you can create the isotope deuterium during the electrolysis process. That molecule has again more mass and energy. You need again less liters of it to run an engine.
5. All inventors added waterdrop / vapour and a higher voltage spark to their system. They created thermo explosive reactions. The water dropped the burnrate, it cooled the engine and you got more power as the waterdrops also splitted into hydrogen and oxygen and burned as well.
Some people call it cold fusion.
6. Meyer went even a step futher by ionization of the ambient air oxygen. By doing so, he created more power. I have tested that and it works. Again, you need less liters of gas and so on.

So, which way do you want to travel?










Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2019, 14:36:31 pm
I think you are correct when you explain like this! im just not sure about if is the monoatomic gas the explanation.

Meyer talk about the energy aperture, and how voltage can bring the atoms into excited states..

in my point of view it seem like when you do electrolysis with higher voltage you generates hydrogen and oxygen molecules that may hold some charge and this could maybe give some excess of energy...

i never felt  diference on gas burning or exploding that's why i need to build a generator and start playing with it without exploding my self of course..

Monoatomic atoms recombine in a few fraction of second.. and it generates heat when forms dipoles..

My idea is to follow the path of having the atomic energy release.. i think this excess energy could be one or two unstable atoms due to voltage stimulation..

but if we go further than we perhaps can get many more atoms to decay generating a greater excess

I think this although may become high-tech and never get into cars but luckily could substitute old problem on physics like tokamak

my idea is to take the tokamak approach and simply waste power until the power out of the unity is greater than the energy spend
...

for the tests i already have a 2.5kw generator..

i have no lasers but i could try to generate some xrays...

i have an idea of how to get the gas exited by using ac while applying dc to strip electrons.... my guess is that ac will create a bunch of collisions and it will help get the atoms more heated and exited

i think of doing a linear stack of cells... planing on use a acrylic tubes cells like the one in the video but stacked in series... it will work for the ambient air.. and h2 gas...

my prof of concept will be a comparison between the same amount of gas and the exited gas and air and will see the results on the generator behaviour

Nuclear plants use heat exchangers to get the heat out of the reaction... i believe when meyer talks about his lab results it would be under such conditions like a hho flame burning on vacuum exchanging heat directly...

to get the atoms further ionised i think we should work on getting the engine parts coated with some insulator materials too.... it would limit the discharge of the ions to it..

what are your conclusions on polarities? have you ionised the hydrogen too? 

i have some aluminium here and one of the plans is to generate h2 directly and run the generator on that only...

my will was to get a hydrogen cylinder to be able to simply run the engine on pure H2 and be able to make all manipulations with the gas without worry

i have build a injector program for the arduino for lucky is here in the forum as i lost all my programs recently my computer HD broke... 


i don't think holding info on ours computes is useful.. is even dangerous to loose like i did... therefore i plan to share all i think is viable

im going to find a suitable injector just to control the gas input...

but one thing seems very important is to transport the gas to the inside of the engine without losing its power


Title: lets get into it
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2019, 16:38:25 pm

i think the word cold-fusion applies since is a controlled release of atomic energy so in short it explain not directly what's going on.

what i think that happen is that water has contaminates and this contaminates can be a source of neutrons and like and we know that a part of the water is deuterium etc so is hard to really tell what's going on but one thing we know, is possible we need to make it work

my approach to it will be with this generator... is a manual start pulling the cord but may work im planing to run on gasoline adding enough HHO to get a reduction in gasoline input since the generator has to keep 60hz output my indication of the system working will be a reduction in the intake of gasoline

today i had to clean the carburettor there was some sort of gel of gasoline because it was there stop for a while... it was bit hard to start it again but as its a new engine i made it after a couple of clean up..

now i need to figure how to build a sort of ioniser...

i think we must make a kind system where the gas is maintained isolated and maintained at high voltage until it gets to the engine..


Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2019, 21:22:28 pm
Steve, how much HHO i would need to run this 2,5kw gen without load ? from your experience on running the bike?

i have lots of ss plates i could build a high output generator.. perhaps a pure hydrogen generator...
Title: oxygen is magnetic when is liquid form
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2019, 21:46:19 pm
guys i just realised one thing

oxygen is magnetic when its in liquid form

i was thinking about a criogenic way to separate the oxygen from hydrogen at lab conditions and i realised one thing oxygen is magnetic when in liquid form

did we look into cryogenic gases that are magnetic>? regarding the epg?
Title: Acrylic tube
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2019, 23:26:25 pm
Im going to buy a piece of 1 meter acrylic tube having 3mm thickness 19mm internal and 25 external diameter... inside of it there are going to be stages of electrodes that are the dc field electrodes

the outside of the tube will have sections damaged with sand paper and paint with conductive paint forming a series of capacitors with respect with the internal electrodes..  the acrylic itself is going to be the dielectric in this case.. of course it could be barium titanate or else if you can... perhaps a smaller tube thickness could be used to increase the capacitance too.. but i think the only thing needed is to get it on resonance with thousands of volts on each section and have a incremental dc step up to get those electrons out

at resonance there's going to be a ac current that will heat up the gas like would heat up a capacitor under resonance, but the effect is that the collapsing field of the vics will give a pretty discharge liberating bunches of electrons... here we get a compromise the best switable material should survive to some heat.. i think a ceramic material would do it.. or maybe aluminum oxide

im going to study how much air flow i have in the engine analysing from the exhaust and try to design thinking of the time it takes for the air to pass thru it and the sequence of pulses..

i have to make some mod to the engine in order to inject the hydrogen inside without touching everything...

any of you guys have one injector to send to brazil?

i would go for the injector just to be able to get the hydrogen inside the engine at or right before explosion time...

i need to get the timing of this engine too... if you could help me with that.. i have a couple of ideas of how to make it but actually any ideas would be great..

i have arduinos and esp8266 and esp32 here around and i can program them easily..  i also have a part of the gms circuit done... one friend from canada send to me some of the cards some time ago but as i lost a bit of contact with them (ronie team) i was cut out... i left it here untouched and unplugged.. but perhaps could be useful if anyone know how i can use it..

many ideas to get on




 
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2019, 00:07:13 am
at my generator i have mainly two signals that could be ploted agains each other to find the position of the shaft at any time,,, one is the ac output 60hz may mean that's 60 revolutions per second so the sine wave may have one point that is the intake and so on for the 4 stokes....  since is a single cylinder engine is easy to find.. other signal is the spark signal that is easy to detect... this should be enough info to drive some injectors..

i was thinking that perhaps some parts of the engine could be coated with some insulating material to prevent the gas ions to get discharged before time.. such as valves and head and piston

the more we could cover up the better would be...

could be nice to have a zirconium oxide like material.. something that makes it auto lubricating and insulator at same time..

stan talk about projection of flame changing the injector design... we should look into that..

one idea left is that perhaps the injector was there not even for hydrogen but for the high ionised ambient air! being the hydrogen just let to intake at appropriate time and quantity

Not that i believe this is the case but im thinking about every single possibility


 
Title: design of the ioniser under development
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2019, 21:40:34 pm
i found some pieces of older cells and i think im able to use some acrylic tubes pieces along with some ss tube ss rods and most things i already have...

im putting it together and will make a video to explain what im doing

i open the carburettor of the engine today and i think it could be coated with some corona dope to get it electrostaticaly isolate...

a metal cavity have 0 electric field inside so any charge inside of it will be attracted to the sides except if it sits on the exact middle...

that's why i plan to make my ioniser to almost end up at the intake of the engine...

im going to use a silicon tube to bring the ionised air gases inside the carburettor

i think the exhaust gas would be easier to process since its already hot...

My idea is that even holding the engine at high voltage potential reference to ground probably 40kv or more... the metal will be able to discharge part of the ions as soon as it contacts it... specially if inside of it.. .like inside the engine or passing thru carburator.. or any hole...

my cell will have two cells like and also the outside capacitance formed... so i can use any of it like i think is better

i thinking of doing up to 4 stages...

have you ever thought that the 11 cell could be an air ioniser of some sort?

if we had to pass all the air an 1,6 liter engine needs would it pass thru it?


Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2019, 22:02:56 pm
Steve, how much HHO i would need to run this 2,5kw gen without load ? from your experience on running the bike?

i have lots of ss plates i could build a high output generator.. perhaps a pure hydrogen generator...
you need like 4 liters of hydrogen per minute. So, hho is then a bit more
What i remember with my tests with the serie plates cell, is that the engine ran better with less plates plus a higher voltage (unregulated dc)
then more plates with strait dc and a lower voltage.
The last should have been more electrical efficient. More liters hho per minute.
But the gas was less powerfull then the first smaller cell with higher voltage per cel and with unregulated DC.
Ill guess that that setup was brownsgas.....



Title: determining the level of ionisation
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2019, 22:19:24 pm
to evaluate the ionization at each stage there is going to be an amp meter and ac applied across the gas at the resonant frequency of the coils so it will be at maximum current... whenever there is ionised atoms there is going to be current if we apply voltage... it don't even need to be on resonance all that is required is a sensitive mili to micro amp meter to get the ac reading this can be a High value resistor and take the measurements with the dp30k and oscilloscope or a voltmeter... for example for 1kohm 1ma will give 1v

the best way would be to buy cheap analog multimeters and add to the stages to actually see them working...

so all this will be end up in the 40kv range...

i think using about 2kv at first stage just to take most of electrons that will most easily come off than 12kv, 22kv and 42kv 

in this case im planning to make all the air come from  the ioniser...

i also think of a manner to try to use kitchen gas to run the generator so to be able to work with a gas that is cheap and easier to work with than hydrogen... just to get a measure of how much gas and complicated things will get..

i want to keep mostly simple and stupid to be able to do it with less money as possible... unfortunately i have not much time to work on this too because i have to keep my bills paid..

im thinking to get an injector and use a monostable timer to trigger it with the spark signal followed by a delay...

if any you want to help me in this journey i hope we are going to learn a lot with this and at least if it works or not take some relief...

if i could get my hands on a kind of exhaust turbine compressor would be nice too to be able to get the air pressure up at the ioniser leaving the output as small as possible maintaining the flow...


 
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2019, 22:30:49 pm
Steve, how much HHO i would need to run this 2,5kw gen without load ? from your experience on running the bike?

i have lots of ss plates i could build a high output generator.. perhaps a pure hydrogen generator...
you need like 4 liters of hydrogen per minute. So, hho is then a bit more
What i remember with my tests with the serie plates cell, is that the engine ran better with less plates plus a higher voltage (unregulated dc)
then more plates with strait dc and a lower voltage.
The last should have been more electrical efficient. More liters hho per minute.
But the gas was less powerfull then the first smaller cell with higher voltage per cel and with unregulated DC.
Ill guess that that setup was brownsgas.....

nice steve, so to get 6 l/m of hho we should need?

for converting one moles of hydrogen from water  we need 55 amps this will give half mole of oxygen and should result around 35 liter per hour so half liter per minute

we would need than around 600 amps to flow;...

assuming series cells we put 20 cells in series and apply 60v at 30 amps should give that amount of gas... rounding a lot...

if each plate has like 15cm by 20cm there is 100ma per centimetre square

Title: pure hydrogen generator design
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2019, 23:22:58 pm
I have just designed a kind of cell separator that can be mounted with two orings and a kind of membrane to keep the hydrogen and oxygen from mixing... it will be made out of epoxy and will have two or 4 water inputs and 2 or one hydrogen and one oxygen outputs...

i need a kind of membrane that when is wet won't allow gas to pass thru so we can take the hydrogen pure...

the idea is to make a kind of hollow frame that i can glue on each other with the membrane in the middle than the frame will already suport the orings for mounting...

the water inputs will be very small to have small cross voltage among cells... allowing for good separation..

im thinking on making the mold with wood and epoxy and try to see if it works... the nice thing about it is that the electrical connections will be made easy and hydrogen will come out pure.. also is a source of pure oxygen!

if it comes out good i can share how i made it with you or you can order some from me to help me and i send them over to u,,,  hope it works first...

any of you have an idea of a membrane that could be used and glued between two epoxy to make a cell separator assembly ?

the higher is the voltage the lower is the consume of amps on the diodes... using series cells seems to be a good way around... diodes consume up to 50% of a low voltage cell design power... the voltage drop on it is significant... thus using series cells would make the power by cell used a good economic way of going ...


this video is very interesting
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 04:11:45 am
the idea of ionising oxygen or whatever must be a part caused by ac and the rest caused by dc

i explain.... to get the oxygen atoms to liberate electrons and we be able to take them off we better collide the oxygen ions against the electrodes at increased speed... if we apply electric field to an electron it take a big acceleration but as it have a low mass the amount of energy is limited by the maximum speed it takes before colliding this is called the mean free path

a atom like oxygen has 34k times the mass of an electron so applying energy to it will make the atoms to accelerate gain energy and than collide expelling electrons

so one action is to generate ions extracting electrons

second is accelerate and collide ions (this is a kind of multipactor)

third is extract further electrons and prevent them to get back to the gas

the electrons are prevented to get back to gas because of the gas movement when the gas has the same polarity of the electrode it repels but as an ion move further from electrode is like having current flowing

that's why we need sequential dc higher and higher each stage but the interesting is that it will collide when the outer electrode become higher in potential assuming positive ions






Title: the mean free path
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 15:15:55 pm
Lets talk about math

if we have an electrode set with 1,5mm space it does not mean that it will take all this space to accelerate ions

ions will collide with other particles in the way so to know how much field a ion can receive before collide is needed to know the pressure of the chamber

at STP there is 2.7 × 10ˆ19 molecules per cm3 forming a 68nm mean free path

this mean that if we apply 1kv/mm =1MV/m of electric field the ions will only be accelerated thru a voltage difference of 68mv so it would have 68mili ev if it was a free electron but as it has a mass the energy may differ right?

so what is the maximum collision energy applying this field at STP for oxygen atom?

if we lower to a lower vacuum the MFP can be increased up to 1000 times down to 1 milibar...

i think to get it working first we need little bit more of voltage than bit of vacuum

first the diatomic molecules when get ionised strongly will double or more in volume since we will be breaking diatomic bonds in oxygen... so monoatomic will double the volume and more its going to get hot i guess..

stan explain electron entrapment as the free electrons forming negative ions mixed with the positive ions

but my understanding says that he may have used a manner to bring the electrons he was taking from oxygen and placing somewhere like the exhaust gas to bring away from the engine...

and or he ionizes the hydrogen gas negatively forming also monoatomic hydrogen making a lot of sense at this point ???

if we try to add electrons to the hydrogen atom it may not be able to accept it since a hydrogen atom has only 1 proton so it share the electron with the other hydrogen atoms very happy

if we add an electron it will form H2- ions at most i guess.

according to stan theory that there must be missing electrons for the decay to occur it don't appear to me that the excess electrons go to hydrogen, instead i think the same processing oxygen needs hydrogen may need it too so he may have got rid of the electrons by a ground mean or by electrification of the exhaust gas as this would allow for the balance of the voltage...

otherwise is like trying to take the water out of a boat with a hole with a small cup and yet throwing the water back into the boat

there is a limit of how much charge we can get out of an object and it will be related to the voltage it can hold... like a van de graff generator ... there is charge there but if you blow air thru it it will discharge







Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 15:23:37 pm
Steve, how much HHO i would need to run this 2,5kw gen without load ? from your experience on running the bike?

i have lots of ss plates i could build a high output generator.. perhaps a pure hydrogen generator...
you need like 4 liters of hydrogen per minute. So, hho is then a bit more
What i remember with my tests with the serie plates cell, is that the engine ran better with less plates plus a higher voltage (unregulated dc)
then more plates with strait dc and a lower voltage.
The last should have been more electrical efficient. More liters hho per minute.
But the gas was less powerfull then the first smaller cell with higher voltage per cel and with unregulated DC.
Ill guess that that setup was brownsgas.....

nice steve, so to get 6 l/m of hho we should need?

for converting one moles of hydrogen from water  we need 55 amps this will give half mole of oxygen and should result around 35 liter per hour so half liter per minute

we would need than around 600 amps to flow;...

assuming series cells we put 20 cells in series and apply 60v at 30 amps should give that amount of gas... rounding a lot...

if each plate has like 15cm by 20cm there is 100ma per centimetre square

If you build the cell properly and if you can add a little waterpump for water circulation, you should be able to do it with less  power.
The pump removes the gasses from the electrodes...So more efficient. I used 1 from an aquarium.
Sand the electrode, that way you get more surface.
Some rubber gasgets.  Space at least 1.5mm. 2mm also works fine.

Ohhhh...last important point. The top holes should be aligned, but the bottum holes should be mirrord. Otherwise you leak to much current.

Title: Re: the mean free path
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 15:36:42 pm
Lets talk about math

if we have an electrode set with 1,5mm space it does not mean that it will take all this space to accelerate ions

ions will collide with other particles in the way so to know how much field a ion can receive before collide is needed to know the pressure of the chamber

at STP there is 2.7 × 10ˆ19 molecules per cm3 forming a 68nm mean free path

this mean that if we apply 1kv/mm =1MV/m of electric field the ions will only be accelerated thru a voltage difference of 68mv so it would have 68mili ev if it was a free electron but as it has a mass the energy may differ right?

so what is the maximum collision energy applying this field at STP for oxygen atom?

if we lower to a lower vacuum the MFP can be increased up to 1000 times down to 1 milibar...

i think to get it working first we need little bit more of voltage than bit of vacuum

first the diatomic molecules when get ionised strongly will double or more in volume since we will be breaking diatomic bonds in oxygen... so monoatomic will double the volume and more its going to get hot i guess..

stan explain electron entrapment as the free electrons forming negative ions mixed with the positive ions

but my understanding says that he may have used a manner to bring the electrons he was taking from oxygen and placing somewhere like the exhaust gas to bring away from the engine...

and or he ionizes the hydrogen gas negatively forming also monoatomic hydrogen making a lot of sense at this point ???

if we try to add electrons to the hydrogen atom it may not be able to accept it since a hydrogen atom has only 1 proton so it share the electron with the other hydrogen atoms very happy

if we add an electron it will form H2- ions at most i guess.

according to stan theory that there must be missing electrons for the decay to occur it don't appear to me that the excess electrons go to hydrogen, instead i think the same processing oxygen needs hydrogen may need it too so he may have got rid of the electrons by a ground mean or by electrification of the exhaust gas as this would allow for the balance of the voltage...

otherwise is like trying to take the water out of a boat with a hole with a small cup and yet throwing the water back into the boat

there is a limit of how much charge we can get out of an object and it will be related to the voltage it can hold... like a van de graff generator ... there is charge there but if you blow air thru it it will discharge

What if he used lighting in his cell.
Low voltage for basic electrolysis and high voltage for ionizing the gas...
Stephen and his father spoke about it. They seen the Stanley cell. They heard the discharges in the tubes....
Its like thunder and lightning.

Think about what Herman Anderson said about his system. 70kV spark on the anode. Kathode and anode are just 3 cm separated from each other.
What do you think will happen when you add a spark that big to a cell with hydrogen and oxygen gasses?
Exactly. The spark repeats itself IN the cell.
It will go strait thru it
I seen it
And i will repeat is soon again.
As long everything is under water, its fine.
Hydrogen is HIGHLY conductive as well as o2.

Just think about it. The Vic. Was the diode not 600V rated?
So, pulse 600V in there and you will see low voltage on the cell. Then the other coils discharge.
I tell you. The goal is to create lighting (sparks) in the waterbath between the electrode.
Thats what Stan draw. A resonating tube set. Wave guides...

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 16:59:34 pm
the only time i seen sparks across water was when i got at very first start plate cells covered with mylar foil at a side it ruptured and i saw small sparks going

A spark generate waves certainly... and being the cell a resonating cavity it should keep this waves resonating into it however i believe its pretty much damped at wrong frequency.. so i  will do a under volt test to see if there is anything detected so im not sure if a spark would be the best way of oscillating it

a spark is a high resistance path of ionising particles... it forms a huge voltage drop unless we have free electrons and vacuum... i think an x ray tube could do something to it but i don't have how to get one for now...  maybe a vacuum tube...

i will do some tests... first i need to get the prototypes up and running..

im planing to make this cell separators with epoxy resin and it will have around 1,5cm per cell so the cells will be electrically isolated because each separator will have a very small water input and hydrogen and oxygen separated outputs... i think is the most safe way to go towards this ionisation steps

the cells will have maybe 200cm2 of are each and i plan to make 15 of it at least to start with and test my design

the membrane will not cover the frame totally like in the case of the video.. i will leave a part where gases can form little pressure without mixing up so the membrane may have a smaller cm2 area

i think its going to give a decent output with potassium hydroxide.. so i will need to buy some nitrilic orings to survive with the cell

the epoxy should go well and also silicone tubings








Title: Re: the mean free path
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 17:02:26 pm
Lets talk about math

if we have an electrode set with 1,5mm space it does not mean that it will take all this space to accelerate ions

ions will collide with other particles in the way so to know how much field a ion can receive before collide is needed to know the pressure of the chamber

at STP there is 2.7 × 10ˆ19 molecules per cm3 forming a 68nm mean free path

this mean that if we apply 1kv/mm =1MV/m of electric field the ions will only be accelerated thru a voltage difference of 68mv so it would have 68mili ev if it was a free electron but as it has a mass the energy may differ right?

so what is the maximum collision energy applying this field at STP for oxygen atom?

if we lower to a lower vacuum the MFP can be increased up to 1000 times down to 1 milibar...

i think to get it working first we need little bit more of voltage than bit of vacuum

first the diatomic molecules when get ionised strongly will double or more in volume since we will be breaking diatomic bonds in oxygen... so monoatomic will double the volume and more its going to get hot i guess..

stan explain electron entrapment as the free electrons forming negative ions mixed with the positive ions

but my understanding says that he may have used a manner to bring the electrons he was taking from oxygen and placing somewhere like the exhaust gas to bring away from the engine...

and or he ionizes the hydrogen gas negatively forming also monoatomic hydrogen making a lot of sense at this point ???

if we try to add electrons to the hydrogen atom it may not be able to accept it since a hydrogen atom has only 1 proton so it share the electron with the other hydrogen atoms very happy

if we add an electron it will form H2- ions at most i guess.

according to stan theory that there must be missing electrons for the decay to occur it don't appear to me that the excess electrons go to hydrogen, instead i think the same processing oxygen needs hydrogen may need it too so he may have got rid of the electrons by a ground mean or by electrification of the exhaust gas as this would allow for the balance of the voltage...

otherwise is like trying to take the water out of a boat with a hole with a small cup and yet throwing the water back into the boat

there is a limit of how much charge we can get out of an object and it will be related to the voltage it can hold... like a van de graff generator ... there is charge there but if you blow air thru it it will discharge

What if he used lighting in his cell.
Low voltage for basic electrolysis and high voltage for ionizing the gas...
Stephen and his father spoke about it. They seen the Stanley cell. They heard the discharges in the tubes....
Its like thunder and lightning.

Think about what Herman Anderson said about his system. 70kV spark on the anode. Kathode and anode are just 3 cm separated from each other.
What do you think will happen when you add a spark that big to a cell with hydrogen and oxygen gasses?
Exactly. The spark repeats itself IN the cell.
It will go strait thru it
I seen it
And i will repeat is soon again.
As long everything is under water, its fine.
Hydrogen is HIGHLY conductive as well as o2.

Just think about it. The Vic. Was the diode not 600V rated?
So, pulse 600V in there and you will see low voltage on the cell. Then the other coils discharge.
I tell you. The goal is to create lighting (sparks) in the waterbath between the electrode.
Thats what Stan draw. A resonating tube set. Wave guides...

i think his cell indeed had high voltage and high current at same time somehow..

have you ever tried to run a dc motor in parallel with the cell?
Title: Cell separator simplified drawing
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2019, 17:23:43 pm
This is what im doing

My plates are 15cm x 20cm 2mm thick

i got 3x 3mm wood plates cut the same size to make the design very simple and take the molds of it ... i will cut the 3 layers like i want glue them together add the inputs outputs and alligning points and make the mold 

i already had silicon resin for the molds and i got today another 5kg of epoxy resin for this projects.. 280 reais gone for it but will be needed... 

im going to use that epoxy hard glue to make the details this was cheap... like outputs and inputs, also aligning points im going to make a video tomorrow doing it...

now i still need to find some nylon membrane that will work,,, thinking about using very thin silk screen mesh
Title: Re: the mean free path
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 12, 2019, 13:15:04 pm
Lets talk about math

if we have an electrode set with 1,5mm space it does not mean that it will take all this space to accelerate ions

ions will collide with other particles in the way so to know how much field a ion can receive before collide is needed to know the pressure of the chamber

at STP there is 2.7 × 10ˆ19 molecules per cm3 forming a 68nm mean free path

this mean that if we apply 1kv/mm =1MV/m of electric field the ions will only be accelerated thru a voltage difference of 68mv so it would have 68mili ev if it was a free electron but as it has a mass the energy may differ right?

so what is the maximum collision energy applying this field at STP for oxygen atom?

if we lower to a lower vacuum the MFP can be increased up to 1000 times down to 1 milibar...

i think to get it working first we need little bit more of voltage than bit of vacuum

first the diatomic molecules when get ionised strongly will double or more in volume since we will be breaking diatomic bonds in oxygen... so monoatomic will double the volume and more its going to get hot i guess..

stan explain electron entrapment as the free electrons forming negative ions mixed with the positive ions

but my understanding says that he may have used a manner to bring the electrons he was taking from oxygen and placing somewhere like the exhaust gas to bring away from the engine...

and or he ionizes the hydrogen gas negatively forming also monoatomic hydrogen making a lot of sense at this point ???

if we try to add electrons to the hydrogen atom it may not be able to accept it since a hydrogen atom has only 1 proton so it share the electron with the other hydrogen atoms very happy

if we add an electron it will form H2- ions at most i guess.

according to stan theory that there must be missing electrons for the decay to occur it don't appear to me that the excess electrons go to hydrogen, instead i think the same processing oxygen needs hydrogen may need it too so he may have got rid of the electrons by a ground mean or by electrification of the exhaust gas as this would allow for the balance of the voltage...

otherwise is like trying to take the water out of a boat with a hole with a small cup and yet throwing the water back into the boat

there is a limit of how much charge we can get out of an object and it will be related to the voltage it can hold... like a van de graff generator ... there is charge there but if you blow air thru it it will discharge

What if he used lighting in his cell.
Low voltage for basic electrolysis and high voltage for ionizing the gas...
Stephen and his father spoke about it. They seen the Stanley cell. They heard the discharges in the tubes....
Its like thunder and lightning.

Think about what Herman Anderson said about his system. 70kV spark on the anode. Kathode and anode are just 3 cm separated from each other.
What do you think will happen when you add a spark that big to a cell with hydrogen and oxygen gasses?
Exactly. The spark repeats itself IN the cell.
It will go strait thru it
I seen it
And i will repeat is soon again.
As long everything is under water, its fine.
Hydrogen is HIGHLY conductive as well as o2.

Just think about it. The Vic. Was the diode not 600V rated?
So, pulse 600V in there and you will see low voltage on the cell. Then the other coils discharge.
I tell you. The goal is to create lighting (sparks) in the waterbath between the electrode.
Thats what Stan draw. A resonating tube set. Wave guides...

i think his cell indeed had high voltage and high current at same time somehow..

have you ever tried to run a dc motor in parallel with the cell?

no, i havent
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 12, 2019, 15:34:26 pm
I ask this because somehow  dc motor is something that acts like a coil for the incoming pulse however it won't revert polarity... it works like a kind of capacitor... but a capacitor that will charge with current...

i think there's this 5 types of components and they are not exactly the same... transformers, motors, generators, coils and capacitors

a motor in parallel with the cell would give a sort of pulsing character to the dc since each time the commutator pass it will such amps... 
Title: some how this design makes some sense to me
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 13, 2019, 21:57:10 pm

look at 11:55 minutes

he seems to be energising the inner rods and have them alternate you can see the outside of the tubes generating h2 or 02 intercalated.. .very nice

there is a video i share in my facebook of a lemon battery with multiple electrodes at the same lemon that together with this video made me thought

in this cell the tubes have gases being generated on both sides but one is shield.. its inside a hollow cavity

it appears to me that we could get some strange results different than distant electrodes in water... first because between the tubes being so small makes the bubbles force a water flow and the bubbles also forms bigger bubbles automatically rising up...

i was asking my self how the capacitance would change connecting them in series in this way... like he did..

my plate cell won't have this feature because of the sizes i guess.. however should still make a good capacitance.. there seems to last still around 150cm2 of area...

 

Title: cell design progress
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 14, 2019, 00:04:15 am
Title: transistors as holes and electrons source?
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 14, 2019, 02:18:53 am
I was thinking about one thing... when we energise a transistor we form regions of charged particles.. like if it were an electrostatic field source...

i was wondering if putting a pnp bipolar transistor and a npn on each side of the cell could do something strange? perhaps energising each with a source ...

the pnp would forme holes and npn would create a density of electrons somehow..

tell me what you think about this ..

according to barbat patent semiconductors have low effective mass electrons that can be accelerated beyond normal electron in metals with standard mass

according to his patent the inductive field can be amplified
Title: crazy diode hypotesis
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 14, 2019, 10:30:27 am
One of my first prototypes that used capacitors and resonance had a bunch of 1n4007 diodes in parallel to be able to not burn with the current

im thinking about the numbers those days and kind of i think it could be of course because i had two different electrodes material but im starting to think that a diode PIV tells us two things

a diode works like a leaky capacitor in reverse direction

Steve asked me about the piv rating recently and it got me thinking

Hydrocars is telling now that he find that the secret is to not have the diode to conduct during pulse on

well

i think my resonant design back to back had some sort of merit since it made me put a bunch of diodes in parallel to think about this today!

a diode is a PN junction when its foward biased the electrons and holes get together in the band and current result , but in reversed bias the junctions may do the opposite forming some (my guess) kind of electrostatic charge!

this will create an electrostatic charge that is going to be able to force the molecules because the law of attraction 

What a hell of dozens of possibilities

stan used big diodes with screw configuration... one of the first diodes i got when i was in italy.. it was bit expensive but it broken rapidly/.. today i would not be able to get many of it here in brazil i may not even find it ..

the amperage of the diode tells how may electrons will be available or how much electrostatic charge is there...

could it be that simply stan used a dc source with a bunch of reversed bias diodes in series across the cell?

let me know what you think about it! i have so many ideas i need to test them all

i would like to get a buch of capacitors to be able to do some tests on resonance, here in brazil they cost tooooooo much so for now i will not be able to get them...

i would like to have some of those cornel capacitors... perhaps im going to make with polyester plus oil.... at least some 4 to play with single parallel and series configuration..

anyone else wanting to see the circle on fire please donate and it will increase our knowledge at least of how to make things

i would like also to be able to buy some diodes to test with like schotty diodes and like

you could even buy it for me and send it i give you my address ... and thank in advance and thank again steve for supporting this forum and helped me so much diverse times

i guess if it was not for this forum i would not be in this game yet.. but after many years here we are together and still talking about it even if it make it worst to live without it =D

 i guess you are about to see many things getting build!
 



Title: My theory on the epg
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 16, 2019, 08:55:40 am
I worked some in the epg in the past and was discussing with a friend yesterday about it

i realised one thing

in my last attempt to do it i buy small sphere balls my plans was to make therm move inside the tube but as it was sphere it would not do it

the epg design tells me today much more about how things are inside those non magnetic tubes
 
the epg coils seems to have around 1 inch width

if you have every try to build a generator you would know that the coils must be related to the size of the magnetic field

so actually inside the epg there must be magnetic fields opposing each other like SN NS SN NS so that it maintain a equidistant equilibrium my spheres would not do it as it would rotate

when you drop a magnet inside a copper tube it will go slow because its inducing current in opposite directions one that repel the magnet as it approach and other that attract as it goes

from the sizes of the coils we can plan how many magnets are require to accomplish the task of maintain such distances...

stan talk about slurry

i tell you one thing the only system i ever found that is able to collect energy and operate as cop greater than one is a heat pump

so my therory is the following:

1 the epg worked from temperature change caused by compression cycle somehow..

2 the epgs were not complete there was missing components like a heat exchanger and a compressor like one of refrigerator

3 there is a gas inside to increase the ability to transport the heat

4 the coils had the size smaller or equal to that of the magnets and its field

stan talk about deflection horizontally and vertically

 5 perhaps bellow those coils there is one or two coils that work as a primary coils but that cover the epg as whole or parts

this primary will work to increase and cancel the magnetic field of the magnets making them shake they will oscillate at a certain resonant frequency

i guess the pressure will interfere on the resonant frequency...

so primary will put it in resonance and secondaries will take the power out... part of the power out must be used as regenerative feedback to increase the output power.. also must be able to run the compressor and all that is needed to be autosuficient

other type use the compressor and vaccum to simply move the magnets linearly the pressure drop caused by accelerating the magnets is what converts the heat into electrical power when the gas reach the vacum side it simply arrive colder and absorb more heat from ambient...

the magnets being very close to the diameter of the tube form a kind of capilar so the magnet should not have friction...

other type use that linear accelerator

the fact that stan epg seem to have a segment on the middle intrigues me






Title: RESONANT CELL CIRCUIT DOUBLE
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 16, 2019, 21:58:32 pm
i figured out something i need to test

look at the drawings hope they talk for itself

but is a dual resonant circuit that make the both  cells receive full wave rectification while if coils are coupled they will resonant at a single frequency

the diodes thereto are polarised all the time and there is a short circuit created because of the polarities closing the circuit look at v2

this is pretty much like the circuit i had in my first prototype but having two coils and two capacitors seems to boost a lot the design and create this situation i just mention
Title: NO more WORMS 8)
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 06:36:11 am
Everyday i feel better and it seems im back 10 years in time in terms of energy... luckily with the knowledge remain hhaha

the dual channel amplifier is going to arrive this week, and im going to make some tests with it very soon!

i plan to make tests with the water at very low voltage driving series LC being the C the water cell... than see what happens

The cell separator model is almost ready... now miss only the oring channel and outputs and inputs and than just need to make the silicone mould and cast with epoxy

 
Question:

how would work a voltage multiplier using water cells instead of common capacitors?

this made me really wonder...

also i have some lead batteries im planning open to get some plates and do some tests with  different metals... lead is an interesting metal, also very toxic... but have a low melting point and is easy to cast with and perhaps make good connectors! 
 


Title: the opposite of the energy disappear paradox
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 18, 2019, 14:12:15 pm
when we charge one capacitor and discharge into another of the same size half the energy disappear since voltages become half of it was and the capacitance double being in parallel

i wonder if we could manage to charge 10 capacitors in parallel and discharge them in series what would happen

voltage would be multiplied 10 times, charge would be the same, capacitance is 10 times smaller

question is if we increase voltage 10 times and reduce capacitance 10 times how much energy you gain? or you gain nothing?

for example you have 10x 1F capacitors charged in parallel this would give 100 coulombs giving 500 Joules of energy stored.. if you take this 10 capacitors and put them in series it will form a 0.1F capacitor so the energy actually remain constant the only gain is the voltage

the fact that adding in parallel multiply and adding in series divides make it also a square function that's why energy is conserved..





actually the gain is zero because the voltage within each capacitor didn't change...

the higher is a capacitance the lower is the energy required to take electrons from one plate and put at the other

if we had a way to transfer the charge from each cap to the smallest form of it it would amplify the energy but how ?



Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2019, 15:40:05 pm
work in progress

im doing the first silicon molds for the hydrogen cell separators, if all goes well epoxy casting start today...

Title: Magnetic Electrolyte
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2019, 15:57:45 pm
i was thinking about how to get the water to hold a charge, and i thought  of if would be possible that if the electrode were magnetic (like dan danfor kind said it needed to be) than if we get other ions that can be atracted by a magnet or that can be converted in the process and become magnetic it would have different forces acting on it when it gain or loose an electron

for example cobalt, nickel, iron, and even rare earth components

perhap´s we should melt some neodimium magnets and dig into that? some acid?

or just get the salts?
Title: New Strange Discovery! read it now!!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 26, 2019, 08:11:13 am
well today i did some tests with old bateries, i was fixing a couple of no breaks and the batteries were dead.. i decided to open it and add 0ppm water to it and see what happen

it happens that the batteries came back to life one better than the other...

in the attempt to charge them i applied overvoltage to it several times..

well i was doing some last tests shorting the battery that was not so good and i noticed that it started to make noise

the battery was also generating hydrogen probably in a shorted cell that was already intriguing me

but than when i shorted the cell i noticed that there was a potential difference build (lika a charged capacitor) 60v on the multimeter and it started to drop til reach 22v

i couldnt repeat the 60v thing... but finaly i got something real strange to happen!!!!

actually two things

i discovered that batteries have a kind of electrostatic potential associated to it.. i have two batteries siting on a insulating wood floor and it shows the sum of the potential of them connecting the multimeter to the oposite sides of it without the connection between the batteries

im not sure but it seems that if my power supply is on the nois is higher even if it is not closing the circuit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i may be wrooooong or high

well guys im using 12v 7a batteries just playing around.. i kind of found some electrostatic behavior definitely

i will try more about it

 8) ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


well disconnecting the dc source from line the magic dc disapear =(
Title: that kind of feeling
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 26, 2019, 08:13:27 am
i had that kind of feeling that stan was correct assuming voltage potential can do work!

if it can move the voltmeter with no connection what else can it do

i tried doing some more tests today... well i dont know what happen yesterday.. i did not succeed repeating the 60v charge,...

one thing i noticed is that my dc source gets charged to 20v even with it disconnected from ac line but i think this is because the on off button that has a neon light.. so it kind of pass the voltage a little...

my button is arranged as to turn on the light when i raise the variac...

by the way this dc source is a 500w variac 0-250v (it burned at around 220 so its not turning completely) !  connected to a 800w 250v in step down toroid that has many taps out (i had it made for me in the times of fat cows) than theres a 50amp fwbr and a 10mf capacitor...



Title: Re: New Strange Discovery! read it now!!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 27, 2019, 22:27:50 pm
well today i did some tests with old bateries, i was fixing a couple of no breaks and the batteries were dead.. i decided to open it and add 0ppm water to it and see what happen

it happens that the batteries came back to life one better than the other...

in the attempt to charge them i applied overvoltage to it several times..

well i was doing some last tests shorting the battery that was not so good and i noticed that it started to make noise

the battery was also generating hydrogen probably in a shorted cell that was already intriguing me

but than when i shorted the cell i noticed that there was a potential difference build (lika a charged capacitor) 60v on the multimeter and it started to drop til reach 22v

i couldnt repeat the 60v thing... but finaly i got something real strange to happen!!!!

actually two things

i discovered that batteries have a kind of electrostatic potential associated to it.. i have two batteries siting on a insulating wood floor and it shows the sum of the potential of them connecting the multimeter to the oposite sides of it without the connection between the batteries

im not sure but it seems that if my power supply is on the nois is higher even if it is not closing the circuit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i may be wrooooong or high

well guys im using 12v 7a batteries just playing around.. i kind of found some electrostatic behavior definitely

i will try more about it

 8) ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


well disconnecting the dc source from line the magic dc disapear =(


DRAWING?

2 batteries on the floor and the meter on both batteries?
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2019, 04:33:54 am
I came up with a circuit where it generates an ac resonance on cois and at water only dc current can flow and each pulse recharge the dc source partialy... 

3 coils of same lenght form primary and two chokes so the chokes have twice the dc voltage when sumed ... Perhaps it could also be step down dow to 3:1 or maybe 5:1 this will change the frequency of the dischare pulse... During pulse on the chokes charge the cell and the batery and durinh discharge the cell and dc source receives again another pulse..

I designed a simple regenerative clamp too to get rid of the primary energy

Not enough time and too much for me to read! I really like this circuit, looks like something I would build. I have one similare to it, I will post it later if I get the time.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2019, 04:35:13 am
I am very sorry to ask, but Have you guys had any success here in raising voltage and restricting any amp flow? I am very sorry my time is limited to one or 2 days out of every other weekend. Im sorry I dont have time to read everything. Please understand.
Title: Re: Magnetic Electrolyte
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2019, 06:48:42 am
i was thinking about how to get the water to hold a charge, and i thought  of if would be possible that if the electrode were magnetic (like dan danfor kind said it needed to be) than if we get other ions that can be atracted by a magnet or that can be converted in the process and become magnetic it would have different forces acting on it when it gain or loose an electron

for example cobalt, nickel, iron, and even rare earth components

perhap´s we should melt some neodimium magnets and dig into that? some acid?

or just get the salts?

I think it has more to do with wat ions are in the water...2 examples come to mind are Puharich and W.I.T.
When i talked the folks at water ion technologies she told they had a bottle of 2 year old water that still had its charge on a shelf.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2019, 14:54:04 pm
i will post the video i made after that happen... well i probably was surprised by some inductive kickback.. im not sure...

i just had the impression that the batteries have charged in relation to each other when i shorted one of them... look the video and drawing... but dont expect much like i said at the moment i got very exited but couldnt repeat it much...  the batteries were too dead.. .

im focusing actually on the cell separators today... i will make a video for that too hope you like.. .

Title: Re: Magnetic Electrolyte
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2019, 04:09:38 am
i was thinking about how to get the water to hold a charge, and i thought  of if would be possible that if the electrode were magnetic (like dan danfor kind said it needed to be) than if we get other ions that can be atracted by a magnet or that can be converted in the process and become magnetic it would have different forces acting on it when it gain or loose an electron

for example cobalt, nickel, iron, and even rare earth components

perhap´s we should melt some neodimium magnets and dig into that? some acid?

or just get the salts?



I think it has more to do with wat ions are in the water...2 examples come to mind are Puharich and W.I.T.
When i talked the folks at water ion technologies she told they had a bottle of 2 year old water that still had its charge on a shelf.

I made a post about this, 90 year old man holds the answer to this, he is the owner of a water Plant. He takes Natural Spring water from Tennessee down the road from my house and he has to (Ozone it up) with the machine that elongates the water. The water must remain charged like 12 hours before he can sell it. The Plant is now shut down, I am waiting to meet with him and see this system.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2019, 04:13:32 am
i will post the video i made after that happen... well i probably was surprised by some inductive kickback.. im not sure...

i just had the impression that the batteries have charged in relation to each other when i shorted one of them... look the video and drawing... but dont expect much like i said at the moment i got very exited but couldnt repeat it much...  the batteries were too dead.. .

im focusing actually on the cell separators today... i will make a video for that too hope you like.. .

I am learning to use Large, 5 microfarad capacitors that recirculates the kickback back into the coil, LC. There is NO heat. I've seen 20 amp shunts Smoke where a capacitor remains cold. The Shunt can also be used to Redirect the Kickback into other coils. However, problems are getting the spikes away from the Fets, this can be problematic at times! It is now Recommended to add switches to switch between shunts and capacitors for Many different testing purposes. Please Keep this in mind. If your Shunts are very hot, (you are throwing away energy). Please Dont wast!
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2019, 04:15:15 am
I would like to also bring Immediate attention to the SCR and Triac, A Gate Controlled DIODE. Stan used these. And guys, he probably used these with a computerized Control Monitoring Board he probably designed Himself.
Title: what if tutanka was correct?
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2019, 07:31:33 am
scrs are increadible they can allow very high current flow and stand high voltage kick back pretty well.. .so it can be used to collapse a transformer.. we read patents about that and the 300ns electrolysis

as you pointed is a silicon controled rectifies

im sure some of you might remember this guy from italy and i had a good talk to him many times and he had theories that he was posting here and at the energeticforum if i remember well about the hydrogen and nitrogen reaction and i was looking into hydrazine and tnt and kind of realized that he may have reason!

let me explain i think if we take hidrogen pure with a cell like the one im building and react this hydrogen with pure nitrogen we may have a the formation of H2N of some sort.. the thing is when N explodes it will react with anothe nitrogen forming n2 and it will generate a big bang!

nitrogen can be generated from air with a membrane and a pump...

i dont know how his reactor was designed...

i think on one side we could generate some sort of hydrazine and on the other hand nitrate and ozone to oxidize it

i think this is the formula to get exploded hahah

i will try this one day...

Title: Re: what if tutanka was correct?
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2019, 12:52:11 pm
scrs are increadible they can allow very high current flow and stand high voltage kick back pretty well.. .so it can be used to collapse a transformer.. we read patents about that and the 300ns electrolysis

as you pointed is a silicon controled rectifies

im sure some of you might remember this guy from italy and i had a good talk to him many times and he had theories that he was posting here and at the energeticforum if i remember well about the hydrogen and nitrogen reaction and i was looking into hydrazine and tnt and kind of realized that he may have reason!

let me explain i think if we take hidrogen pure with a cell like the one im building and react this hydrogen with pure nitrogen we may have a the formation of H2N of some sort.. the thing is when N explodes it will react with anothe nitrogen forming n2 and it will generate a big bang!

nitrogen can be generated from air with a membrane and a pump...

i dont know how his reactor was designed...

i think on one side we could generate some sort of hydrazine and on the other hand nitrate and ozone to oxidize it

i think this is the formula to get exploded hahah

i will try this one day...

Ammonia
NH3

>Thats what you get with ionised ambient air and monotomic hydrogen in a waterbath of electrolysis
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2019, 14:09:32 pm
Steve if we burn this amonia with with the air that has passed thru a electrical arc forming nitrate we should get some power out dont?

i think we could figure out how many amps we need to convert a predetermined amount of air into nitrate (consuming all the oxygen)

Oh i just remember the exhaust may have low oxygen so perhaps he reacted the gas with exhaust ? perhaps we could cold it up and filter with the membrane ?

i think when stan says he wants to prevent the water molecule to form he is saying that we may make it hard to it get the oxygen ?

how exited is nitrite just formed?

did you ever tried this amonia generation?

just found this video may help the epg stuf?

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2019, 20:18:43 pm
Steve if we burn this amonia with with the air that has passed thru a electrical arc forming nitrate we should get some power out dont?

i think we could figure out how many amps we need to convert a predetermined amount of air into nitrate (consuming all the oxygen)

Oh i just remember the exhaust may have low oxygen so perhaps he reacted the gas with exhaust ? perhaps we could cold it up and filter with the membrane ?

i think when stan says he wants to prevent the water molecule to form he is saying that we may make it hard to it get the oxygen ?

how exited is nitrite just formed?

did you ever tried this amonia generation?



If I could chime in here just for a minute, ammonia burns with normal air.  Some co-generation companies power their large gensets with anhydrous ammonia, which is cheaper than petrol.  Also, ammonia is miscible with water; it will pull water into a flask as quickly as a vacuum.  How flammable ammonia water might be is an open question.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2019, 21:46:17 pm
Steve if we burn this amonia with with the air that has passed thru a electrical arc forming nitrate we should get some power out dont?

i think we could figure out how many amps we need to convert a predetermined amount of air into nitrate (consuming all the oxygen)

Oh i just remember the exhaust may have low oxygen so perhaps he reacted the gas with exhaust ? perhaps we could cold it up and filter with the membrane ?

i think when stan says he wants to prevent the water molecule to form he is saying that we may make it hard to it get the oxygen ?

how exited is nitrite just formed?

did you ever tried this amonia generation?

just found this video may help the epg stuf?

I have not tried this, but it is a low power way to gain a lot of power...
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2019, 02:46:57 am
i think this reactor could be a combination of ac and dc.. . dc will pass thru a coil and a coil can generate high voltage to break the air insulation and allow dc to go
perhaps a good idea is to generate hydrogen and oxygen separated, use the oxygen to generate ozone and react the ozone with N2 to form nitrate
than take the hydrogen and react with nitrogen to make amonia of some sort...

the worst it can be is that we can create a dangerous explosion therefore it need to be small scale.

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2019, 12:26:27 pm
About that epg.
I posted some time ago something about it.
It was about creating electricity with magnets.
So, the EPG ferrofluid is the core.
Meyer said that it better to move the charged core then the windings.

WHY??????
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2019, 15:07:07 pm
I believe the epg creates oposing magnetic fields such that the magnetic fields oppose each others forming groups of 1inch long magnets.. dont ask me how hhaha

i would need to give some work on that and now im focus on the hydrogen but as soon as i start having pressure you can bet i will start making this gas pull something thru this tubes to get power back from the gas generation...

the pressure we start up with is what is going to give the power..

for example if you generate hydrogen at ambient pressure the flow times the pressure drop is what form the power...

but if we have a manner to maintain a high pressure at the generators side (bars of pressure) the gas would come out with a great quantity of movement... and could drive some magnets thru the tubes..

im not sure if that pump was not being driven in a manner that it would only oscillate back and forth the liquid! it was probably a prof of concept.. .

the main idea is to use solenoids to make the gas to move the groups of magnets thru the coils...

the copper tube works like a shorted turn and i believe the movent of magnets may induce a voltage across its lenght otherwise meyer would have used a single turn! and it was never a single turn!

i imagine two pressure sensors.. one at the oxygen side and one at the hydrogen side.. the hydrogen drives one epg the oxygen can drive a second smaller one... or a section...

the oxygen pressure is maintained equal to the hydrogen to avoid mixing of the gases in the cell which would result in an explosion at very high pressures..

the pressure at the output would be pretty much reduced and so the flow of the gas generated a power output,,

it reminds me the refrigeration cycle somehow where the epg sits where the capilar tube goes (pressure drop)

we could use even a piston but the efficiency wold be limited for example by the same problems a ice engine would Carnot efficiency

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_turboexpander-generator


Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2019, 15:16:47 pm
yesterday i finished the oxygen separator side casting mold... today i will try it once and see if it works to take the epoxy pieces out.. before i make the mold for the hydrogen side.

its a lot of work bros...

i spend another 400 reais to start making it.. and should be good to make 20 cells i hope.. the resins are not cheap.. luckly i worked with a plastic artist and i saw how they do it with a thin layer of silicon and plaster ..

it become a solid stuff.. i will maybe make a video teaching how to do it properly..

end of the day, plaster broken and some of the resin leaked, kind of the epoxy piece dint got the precision i wanted.. i need to make a better mold... got some experience from this first try, im trying to fix this first mold to see if at least i can get a few pieces out of it... the resin came out very bright however it will be a beautiful piece... hopefully hard enough to hold the pressure and chemicals

the problems with this first mold is that silicon were a bit thin... the plaster was also thin... i used 1 kg of plaster per side and 800g silicon of resin each side of the mold.. next time need to use at least 2kg of plaster on each side and the silicon maybe 1kg per mold side...

luckly still have 4kg of silicon just need to get some plaster for more molds but at least this is cheap... im thinking of having some metal structure at the plaster or maybe wood to prevent it from broke



 





Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2019, 07:13:33 am
i found this video where the guy show a design simpler than what im trying to do but perhaps effective. although im not sure how long will that ruber survive in the environments of acid and base..

the problems i see in his device is that water input will not be individual by cell so it has a kind of short thru the water that will not allow max efficiency...

the h2 separator im designing will have water input for the hydrogen side and oxygen side for each cell.. a lot of tubes... but this creates isolation between the cells

my goal with this monster is to be able to have enough h2 to run this 2,5kw gen setup i have.. so i must be able to input on it at least 2,5kw of power!

i think of doing that by using 20 or maybe more cells in series... arranged in a closed circle about in groups of 5 or 6 cells (actually a square) a turn whatever you want to call

i plan to have a resonant coil around and in the middle of this circle having at least 100v per turn! air core of course and a bunch of thick wire  about 30m long

this will induce in the water a voltage i hope to see some result out of it..

20 cells having 100 amps thru in series think will make the day..  i may have to use more than 2,5kw to get that of course.. but lets get started.

if i could have 50 cells of this i could use directly the wall electricity converted to dc

i did a test in the past with a coil made of a plastic tube filled with water and pulsed thru a transformer... i was able to collect at the end of the tubes high voltage but the current was not possible...it was such a long tube such a high resistance if i connected anything it would not show the voltage anymore..

there is a post about it somewhere.. but it may have proved a point... if we want to use water as the electron source perhaps we just need to add electromagnetic fields and extract the current from it instead of inserting the current

if water is stimulated to conduct in a region where you get electromagnetic fields it may be modulated

the post is in my project section called water coil!




Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2019, 19:37:10 pm
here two videos i made to kind of show whats going on

this is the oxygen side... now i will make also the hydrogen side mold and try to get this cells assembled soon..



aparently the resin time of cure is more dependent on temperature than i imagined... as the silicon is not very uniform and as the plaste was not very dry the lower ´part took less heat and so also took more time to hardening .... i guess also the catalyst may have rise a little too as it was maybe not so very well mixed..

next time i will mix it two times and maybe add little bit more...
Title: anyone know how exact to polish epoxy in a easy way
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2019, 21:13:16 pm
This are photos of it
Title: x ray cavity
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2019, 21:46:49 pm
I just imagined something... im going to build a box of lead with lead recovery from batteries i have here... inside this box will sit this cells arranged in a circle like i explained in the last posts... inside of it there is going to be electrogmagentic field plus a tube emiting xrays... the xrays will go thru the epoxy and pass thru the water and get reflected back by the metalic box

i will need to work this box as to make it like the primary of a trasformer.. and so the circle containing 20 to 30 cells become a secondary... i plan to put the primary in resonance with a set of capacitors as to have high voltage on that single or few turns of the box around the cells@!

hahahahah
 freak project
Title: Re: x ray cavity
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2019, 23:39:49 pm
I just imagined something... im going to build a box of lead with lead recovery from batteries i have here... inside this box will sit this cells arranged in a circle like i explained in the last posts... inside of it there is going to be electrogmagentic field plus a tube emiting xrays... the xrays will go thru the epoxy and pass thru the water and get reflected back by the metalic box

i will need to work this box as to make it like the primary of a trasformer.. and so the circle containing 20 to 30 cells become a secondary... i plan to put the primary in resonance with a set of capacitors as to have high voltage on that single or few turns of the box around the cells@!

hahahahah
 freak project


Now your talking.....gogo Sebosfato go    ;)
Title: Re: x ray cavity
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2019, 01:30:11 am
I just imagined something... im going to build a box of lead with lead recovery from batteries i have here... inside this box will sit this cells arranged in a circle like i explained in the last posts... inside of it there is going to be electrogmagentic field plus a tube emiting xrays... the xrays will go thru the epoxy and pass thru the water and get reflected back by the metalic box

i will need to work this box as to make it like the primary of a trasformer.. and so the circle containing 20 to 30 cells become a secondary... i plan to put the primary in resonance with a set of capacitors as to have high voltage on that single or few turns of the box around the cells@!

hahahahah
 freak project

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_optics

"No material has substantial reflection for x-rays except at very small grazing angles."

As far as is currently known, you can't reflect X-rays backwards, only forwards at a slight angle.  Any interaction with that energy would have to be direct, as it passes through the water.  Hopefully, the lead will be solid enough to keep the rays from hitting YOU.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2019, 02:32:42 am
the penetration in water may not be much for xrays... your correct

i think i can make a water tank bellow and above cells to contain part of the xrays and than take the output silicone tube to pass righ above the xray tube before going to the generator..

(still dont have a clue what tube to use or where to find one here) there is a store for old medical equipment down town maybe they have an old tube.. any ideas? 

i found this vert interesting image https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/150546/why-dont-x-rays-travel-through-water

https://i.stack.imgur.com/IiT1I.jpg (https://i.stack.imgur.com/IiT1I.jpg)

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2019, 05:54:58 am
Title: HEXACELL
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2019, 08:32:36 am
i made paint drawing of the arrangement im thinking abou

in the middle goes the xray and resonant tank
Title: my idea of the vic
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2019, 14:57:34 pm
i think i found one good reason why to use the vic with isolation transformer...and is simple..

today we already have igbts that can achieve 1,2kv at stan time scr and diodes was maybe the only viable way..

the transformer has one function.. allow the collapse of the field in a high relation higher than the igbt can give

i explain

if you pulse the primary with 10 amps peak and across your primary you have a 100ohm resistor, regardless of the voltage in, you are going to have 1000v kickback

that can be a 100 time increase if you start from 10v

but on transformer with a diode and coil in series you are going to be able to multiply that once again..

lets say we used 100v to start with and end up with 1000 volts this is a 900volts gain

for example the secondary had 5:1 relation in the secondary you would have 5kv 2 amps peak lets say we apply this 500v secondary into a coil load in series with the cell and would have 5kv peak this is a 4,5 kv gain... but now we put a few turns of thick wire at the end of this coil and connect this portion to the cell thru a diode... this mean when the secondary and coil collapse it will generate a low voltage high amps pulse while the whole coil still maintain the high voltage of collapse..

somehow i think it would give some different results.. need to test it 

thats the only reason i see for why meyer would have used a isolated system.. of course except to keep things ionized..
Title: magnetron xray source
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2019, 16:29:11 pm
hello

do you think that a microwave could be used to generate xrays?

i may have a old tube here..

i was thinking maybe if we apply low current on the filament and 40kv on the tube something is going to happen.. . who can tell me ?


Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2019, 17:39:39 pm
Magnetron tubes are made of copper and that is a suitable target material for X-ray production.  With the filament grounded, you would need a positive potential of 70kV to 100kV on the shell.  I don't know how effective it would be without a window.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 06, 2019, 19:33:54 pm
nice news... magnetrons are easy to find... i was even thinking that would be possible to make a xray tube taking parts of a magnetron and manipulating hot glass with a hydrogen flame but it seems that it takes lot of vaccum for it to work...
Title: 8 shape solenoid or linear toroid..
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 07, 2019, 15:45:46 pm
i just thought of something

did any one ever thought of making a sort of linear toroid by using a 8 shape solenoid with two cores?

i mean is almost like having two solenoids close to each other of course but who knows.. the capacitances will be totaly different

i think is easier to wind than a toroid.. and may have the same or close to effect the proximity of the cores creates a gap that is very wide...

just food for thoughts



Title: Let the tests begin
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 08, 2019, 01:34:05 am
Thanks to your kind help Steve now i have that audio amplifier to put it to work

im going to show what im planning to do and if you have any ideas please tell me =D

im planning to do the following:

considering im going to do this first test with a single cell im going to have low capacitance but very low resistance too given the design of my cell where the screws goes thru the electrodes..

why does it mather? well i think that lc resonance will be able to have a detectable Q factor if the resistance is smaller  than the reactance of the capacitance.. thats not a difficult thing in a small capacitor

im not sure if what im going to see is actually a LC resonance or if that is what im looking for...

perhaps the only way to go is to use external capacitors once we know the water frequency who knows...

my plan is to apply around 20v from this amplifier into a step down transformer giving a very low voltage output im thinking about use a toroidal core i have somewhere here

i plan to have only 100 mv output so   200:1  stepdown very few turns.,..

i series with the transformer i will add a resistor to restrict the load to a certain impedance.. this amplifier seems to work good from 4 to 50 ohms.. .

i will be trying to find any response in the audio range.. i will monitor the current and the voltage i expect to see something strange around 5khz haha

but the main idea is that voltage should rise or current should drop at a certain frequency...

to measure the current i have 5mohm resistor to use in series...

if we consinder the cell to have another 100mohm of resistance and the copper wire included we should have max one amp flow at resonant frequency... because in series the current of the resonance circuit depends on the series resistance... the voltage will be the product of the current and the reactance of the component..

if the capacitor is hit at a a frequency that gives it a reactance of 3000ohms it will have 3kv across it for that 1 amp flowing...  but that Q is very sharp... 

im not sure if the capacitance of the cell is something we can measure... i think is more probable that this frequency change with the contaminants type and amount and so we should expect that empiricaly is easier to make a graph to identify where that range is... otherwise is like trying to find the signal of a satelite without even knowing where it point to

meyer stated that its in the audio range pretty clearly and it can be from 20 to 20khz  thats the only indication of range we have for his tap water

so im looking for a gain in voltage or current or peak of current or even a drop in current

in the case the current drops it would indicate that the cell works as a kind of resonant tank by itself (working as a  parallel resonant circuit voltage will be equal to applied voltage but current input drops as the tank voltage rise)

if the current rise and is what i think is what is going to happen, because meyer called it an LC series directly, voltage will do so too probably and will be detectable so i start from this figure...

 




Title: The amplifier
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 09, 2019, 00:56:59 am
the board has two physical inputs, i downloaded a tone generator for windows and im going to use a bluetooth adapter to get the sine waves into the amplifier...

im thinking about connecting in series with the cell a speaker just to see how it behaves initially...

the outputs and inputs of the amplifier share the same ground...

in this tone generator i can have a dc ofsett

for the step down im planning to use a toroid but i dint found it yet 200 turns primary and 1 to 10 turns secondary

im going to feed the amplifier with my old variacxstepdown configuration and will apply from 12 to max 20 or 25 v i just need to find a center tap on the stepdown but will be easy with the oscilloscope...

as it is a 500 w variac connected to another variac in step down configuration i believe the power will be somewhat limited as im limiting the voltage going into the step down transformer i believe it will limit around 200 watts or even less at 50v applied on the first variac making it a lot safe hopefully

the bluetooth makes things easy as no cables are required on the input so i will only connect the oscilloscope on the input and at the load...

 
Title: Amplifier seems amazing
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 09, 2019, 03:41:21 am
I used up to 80v mark on the input variac and it seems to arrive 30vrms ----(the variac is connected to a 2:1 stepdow made with the same variac primary but secondary thicker wire input goes from 0-250v and steps to 0-120) -----between the inputs and it works... seems it didnt needed the center tap... was more a ground thing..

the higher the voltage applied the better is the range in the pot that come in the amplifier.. the sine become square if the voltage applied is lower than the applied power on that button

i used 10 ohm dummy loads

still need to figure what voltages to apply to it for work properly full range of the button.. without saturating..

the bluetooth makes a signal that make 2v peak to peak but only 600mv rms

the resistors got very hot quick and the amp didnt seem to warm a little..

highly recommend this in combination with a frequency generator seems to be a better way to control the power and simpler

now is time to get a transformer hooked to it...

i also want to instal a fan to prevent it from heating on the next tests

the only problem is that the bluetooth only work on battery and kind of it sends a strange tone repeatedly when is finishing the battery and the battery is shitty .. perhaps i could open it and change it for a better battery even if it become a frankenstein


i may connect the computer headphone output directly

the outputs LR are in phase for the signal getting from the signal generator

i used the one in attachment

somehow the sine seems to be a resampled version or may be the bluetooth signal that makes it like this .. 300khz appeared once





Title: Lab view the return
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 09, 2019, 16:48:58 pm
when my computer broken i lost labview instalation and it was required to use with my cdaq 9172 with some few modules... its a pro test equipment...  i have four modules one for current measurement 9221, one for counter 9422 and two for multiple inputs 9211 if you want to look over...

i found however that you can use the labview with arduino or esp8266 if you want to and it will unlock power in your lab!

here is how to install it

here how to associate arduino or esp8266 to it


im trying to recover a battery from a old notebook to add to the bluetooth adaptor... hopefuly it wont burn...
Title: dps5005 power supply
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 10, 2019, 13:03:15 pm
i found a power supply that shows some useful values on display and is controlable via computer is very interesting

i already have the labview that shows me all the parameters like power frequency current temperature, etc.. but i would have one like this too..

we must go simpler !


i was charging some batteries with my variac supply and is so interesting like how one transformer connected to the other creates a kind of extra resistance.. i mean voltage drop..
Title: self passivation of stainless steel
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 10, 2019, 23:43:00 pm
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 11, 2019, 09:05:54 am
Title: cooperative collapse may be the secret
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 11, 2019, 12:00:56 pm
i was thinking about one thing... to charge a 1f capacitor you take 1 amp for one second and it will raise the voltage to 1v... this accumulate 0.5j of energy

if you have a coil for example and charge it with current this current is forced to go out independently when you open the switch...

if you have other coils operating cooperatively to maintain a voltage level across the cell this independent coils can be charged and discharged in a sequence to make the better use of energy

if we charge a 1uh coil with 100 amps it has 5mj of energy but will discharge much faster..

maybe we could make it collapse slower? like slowing down a magnet inside a copper tube?

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2019, 15:09:38 pm

not sure if he is correct in everything he says... especially about the pressure..
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2019, 23:23:05 pm
nice video!
Title: Maybe Stanley meyer connectors was a fake?
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2019, 09:45:26 am
its being few days without posting anything new.. apparently we got some issue with posts but steve gently make it thru...

i was puting my 11 cell together and i had one thought those springs in the electrical connectors are not the best way to make the contact of the electrode... its a poor contact and it would not allow any higher current to flow.. making it a high series resistance to the water capacitor.. if you were to put 1000 amps it would fuse much before you reach it... so i think is a fake!

one of my electrical connectors got so much heat that it melted the delrin plastic and so i had this though

instead of spring the elctrodes should have the hole for the screw to go in and this hold the oring pressure...... 

all for now

best regards

and thanks again steve for your great work


ps

one idea to be able to now make holes in the electrodes is to use a small piece of metal with same curvature as the electrode such as to make perfect contact...

the most basic way to get closer is to use a piece of screw and screw until it touch the electrode than add oring a bolt for sealing with expoxy...


you have any thoughts on this?

Title: screen
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2019, 19:37:04 pm
how does the screen interact with the molecules?

if we have a very very thin screen made of polyester and we apply voltage across it it will polarize so as the water inside of it... it may help break the water...

there could be more in between those electrodes than we can imagine,...


Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2019, 03:50:21 am
thats crazy! nice find!
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2019, 06:02:55 am
Interesting yes!

our resonant cavities are a sort of unidimensional for a frequency

those ball like cavities have a center frequency in 3 dimension

i think if we provide enough current there will be enough magnetic field to drive the cell into sort of sonic resonance... i think i hit it once as my cell started to sing but was 2,5khz pulsing dc into water straight from variac...

the magnetic field is of the current the electrode capture in its entire length but is concentrated on the electrical connector points since there forms the loop of most of the current so is like the cell have a toroidal magnetic field in the duct but not in longitudinal direction but around the electrode like it would do in a wire....

what is the magnetic field of a coax ? outside is zero right? well so somewhere it may interact

bucking fields are the base of john quincy st clair patents on wormhole and hydrogen generation! parenthesis

so the magnetic field plus the voltage applied will make a sound wave inside the cell! it will work itself like if it were a ultrasonic transducer and cavity all in one..

i think the water input and output may interfere on the cavity frequency
...
im thinking in the case of my cell the electrodes connector is one at the botton of the inner electrode and the other at the top of the tube so it may not have had the most of magnetic field cancelation! not sure its better or worst lets try again!!!!

at the time i used potassium hydroxide as electrolyte

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2019, 09:59:39 am
Its a nice video.
We learned again a bit more....
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2019, 17:53:49 pm
This video tells us that we can indeed use a light sensor to detect the resonance event
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2019, 17:58:52 pm
The spherical resonant cavity may be for the same reason!

Today im making new electrical connectors for the 11 cell... I believe i can make up to 1 liter per minute with it using the new connectors without spring
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 01:50:24 am
I personally think the Forum should have a place set aside for Unique stuff that affects the water just passed this it's not every day we run across these types of equipment it would be very nice do you have a place dedicated just far anyting that alters the water in any way this way when we look at all of these devices we found that is 100% legit and prove Worthy we might gain more understanding about the water molecule. I myself I'm so interested and the post you have made here I am going to dedicate a folder on the hard drive of my laptop for unique situations just as you proposed here I am already doing this and several other situations and it is already giving me positive impacts on my research I just wish we could share a database like I am creating but everyone create it instead and everyone view it and use it I think it should be more of a factual section and if you wanted to talk about that specific item I guess that would be good too since each category is worth a same the unique category.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 03:43:31 am
Im not sure how but at the forum database there may br countless patents and docs and pics... Perhaps is possible to make a google drive like plataform
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 18:02:36 pm
I'm interested in replicating the above video I would love to see a category here at this forum with unique cafex watch shown in the video above anything related to the water molecule I think should be in the category I believe that would help us understand the water molecule better and other molecules as well if we was to do this there's no telling what the small group here and ionization might be able to do in the future right now everyone's flat on their face that could do a 180 and I believe when this happens there will be a domino effect and we here my unlock I ton of stuff if we get our category straight. Stevie may I propose a new category? I feel as if the water molecule is worth it.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 18:09:43 pm
how do you want to call it and where shall i put it?
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 19:01:39 pm
It's hard for me to do anything at the moment I am in town and talkin to my cell phone I think we should all decide together all I know is it is based on facts well known hard Solid proof lock the video that was posted but the video could get removed so in case that happens we need to provide literature on what the video was about we know he used 27 kilohertz if I'm not mistaken and the items he used should be documented here in a category it did have a unusual effect on the water molecule this is the solid evidence we need to be looking at and I think we need to create some sort of category database here that way we can grow into a bigger Foundation for factual effects only water molecule and I strongly feel we can use all the combined facts in this specific category to eventually control the water molecule. Perhaps somewhere along the lines of factual effects of the water molecule would be a suggestion that maybe someone here can compressed into a smaller word somehow along the lines of research.  I will do some thinking on what we should call it meanwhile we should get some suggestions from everyone here I think I really feel like this is an important start for us.
Title: cavitation or sonoluminescence
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 19:28:22 pm
maybe we should call it cavitation..

there are some patents around this theme
Title: long tubes
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2019, 23:22:20 pm
inductivity of the electrode itself

electrodes have two possible sides to connect..

mind notes
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2019, 08:29:48 am
Just a suggestion, and I haven't read the recent post yet because I got up from bed to share this thought.

POME
Proof of molecular effects.


Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2019, 20:05:47 pm
So what do you guys think we got to come up with something
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2019, 21:07:09 pm
something like : the magic buble
??? :D
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2019, 01:18:20 am
Haha, if that works for you it works for me! Let's Geyer done. I preferred whatever is professional. I might add, we could be the molecular leaders of this so choose wisely.
Title: electrical connection missing piece
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2019, 03:56:26 am
hey

im working at the electrical connectors of my 11 resonant cell prototype..

i actually found a way to make it the best way possible...

im making 11 pieces of 304 ss having 3.9mm diameter and 5mm long and 11 having 8mm long

this way the spring will sit inside the connector and wont have high current flow thru it

it will also be protected from corrosion a bit so i will cut the springs to 5mm

and now it should be a proper electrical connector

the cell number 8 still a bit of a problem... i tested droping the electric connector i made manually for it into sulfuric acid and it kind of seems that will not corrode the super glue cianoacrilate too fast.. think will be usable

im trying to figure a way to use the same electrical connector in each cell to try to maintain the same impedance... not sure how much would change a single slightly different connector





Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2019, 19:48:49 pm
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 25, 2019, 00:41:11 am
What i can tell is that im gona make it work!
Here we have some people not just me and steve and our ideas are connected around the globe and this is so powerful.

I know you may have tried realy hard and its very disapointing to see tens of thousands of moneys and nothing haopens...i did too . but im sure there is still things didnt tried and some that i could have try again better now that i have more knowlege..

I went to physics university to learn the language of science to understand and be able to interpret and build what stan did... It took many years.. Many deceptions and still nothing happen but as you see in this video we are still trying to make some progress.. No one here ever claimed anything serious anywhere so far as i knowm...

Perhaps im stupid yes to persist in the idea of trying it but perhaps than i can still learn something else.

I learned a lot in the way.. This forum hosted this progress and inspired it thats why i respect all the work everyone did and does and steve do to maintain all this space!



Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2019, 07:36:10 am
Title: 11 cell connectors
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2019, 04:33:01 am
A little update.. I tested the resistance of the connectors and is very low now! After all this tiny pieces of metal maybe were lost in stan junk... But it makes a very big diference... I found that a spring with 6mm long inside the connector plus a 3.8mm diameter 6mm long ss rod for the outer electrode are ideal and 8mm for the inner electrode connectors... I found that it can have a smal angle on the side that contact the spring, because it makes the spring force the rod in the wall of the hole improoving the contact!
The tip could have also an angle ... Basicaly doing it with low precision is a good idea..

Now im confident to push more than 10 amps thru this cells...

I noticed my cell has a wrong desing in the water input position ... Mine is alligned with cell n 4 and it actually made me think...

If we apply voltage in series there is going to be movement of ions...

Im thinking if perhaps there was some sort of secret in this botton part!
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2019, 19:46:23 pm
i used a little cheap aquarium waterpump to move the gas from the plates and that was hooked up to a variable powersupply.
That way i was able to tune the cell in a maximum gas output...

Just a free of charge tip
Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2019, 15:07:27 pm
thanks for the idea Steve... i was thinking about the flow of water indeed but i was thinking about how to take advantage of the mechanical energy and try to convert to gas somehow directly...

questioning myself i was thinking about the kelvin water dropper.. recently i found that it need salt water to proper operate... and is probably the reason why the tests i did in the past failed in producing any voltage..

the kelvin water dropper works by a mechanism that is formed by the arrangement of the fields and collectors of charge but what drives it is gravity force! so the energy it can generate is related to the flow of water and the gravity force that pull the charged ions against the collector to keep increasing the charge.. .

im thinking that the 11 cells must be divided into two sets of 11 electrode each somehow and apply a voltage that wont short thru the channel... ill post a drawing

im not sure yet how but somehow we could try to replicate the kelvin water dropper in a manner that it generates hydrogen and oxygen by conversion of mechanical force only! applying only few power in electrical form just to start it..



Title: Ion sort before enter the cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2019, 19:55:50 pm
Im thinking abou the 11 cell water input and i guess it should have a T just before the input such as to allow the like charged ions to be directed into a ss tube to generate voltage.... Basically the water channel will behave like a magnet that attract ions of the oposite polarity but repel the ions with same polarity so this ions must go elsewhere! The 11 cell is pretty much that generator in the sales manual! He even say that a negative can be obtained... Im basing this thesis in the water dropper theory that mechanical energy will be converted. Im guessing that there will be an equilibrium voltage where it will generate most current power... Above or below wont work

The idea is to induce current by forcing the ions in oposite direction by mechanical action pump

Perhaps the microbubbles can get ionized and further act on this...


The water dropper normaly generate a high voltage very low current but if the system is made to discharge at a certain level is possible to nake the distances smaller and improve the design... I was thinking for exsmpl of a injector and pump to send packets of water at high speed low vaccum to get a kind of gain in power

Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2019, 21:46:17 pm
Hi Fabio,

I just saw your new video on YouTube and it looks pretty good.  Short and Simple.

I've found in the past that when water vapor is pulled into a clear plastic hose (by a vacuum on the other end) the tube will fill up with plugs of water, separated by a short distance of air.  If you fed a charged steam generator into the hose, the water packets would carry the charge.  As the ion containing water passes through a ring connected to a capacitor with the same polarity, kinetic energy will be transformed into a higher potential on the capacitor.  This may be one way you can try extracting energy from the ions.
Title: The van de graff princicle charge from inside
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2019, 07:57:50 am
Thanks for the great post tektrical! You seem to have understood what im talking about.

I was looking at the van de graff generator and how its pretty much the same as the kelving water dropper...


Im almost sure now that meyer have found a way to use mechanical power by use of a water pump probably and convert it to those 100amps 100volts he talks about at the new zealand meeting

I did some tests in the past thinking that high voltage alone would do something but actually we were not thinking about how important the flow really is

Imagine a van de graff made of a water tube a pump instead of s belt and motor

If we charge the water after pump output the pressure drop and flow will force the ions in the direction of the sphere where when it hits inside part its able to discharge giving its charge to the sphere and leaving...

Pressure drop and speed and flow are the key components along with water conductivity and voltage applied...

A kelving water droper is a dual self exciting water gravity driven vandegraff generator voltage source

It uses electric potential energy to split the ions without consuming and gravity potential as power source

The gravity potential couteract the electric potential of the system... The higher is the potential the higher is the efficiency so is interesting to consume it wisely to keep it going...

In the case of using a pump a much higher flow and force can be applied to a closed system!

Im going to make some tests now.. 


Im going to use a 800w toroidal transformer that i had made for me with 250v input and 100v output with 5 taps with different wire thickness..  20v taps first should be able to hold 40 amps

My cell is setup in two parallel series of 5 cells and one cell is not exactly connected...

My power supply should be able to put 4 volts per cell 20 amps in each series at max...

First step should be to have a cell like that generating gas... With forced flow...


Second step should be to split the output of  the pump and start to deflect the ions and see what happens!

Stan clearly stated in new zealand that the key was to use water as the source of the electrons and so was to generate electricity and hydrogen at same time ...

Than feedback this electrical energy to increase exponentialy the gas production

Than feedback further this energy and get atomic power out of it

From what he says seems possible that combining electrical energy and flow is possible to convert power in different ways not violating laws but still generating energy









Title: Re: Coils mass amps restriction and applying e fields
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2019, 18:50:17 pm
I actually have a vd graaf......
Never used it...