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Title: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 00:28:55 am
Hi,

This schematic is about 3 frequencys going into a core for harmonics.
1 output into a WFC.

This schematic is from Kumaran.
The idea is from Bob Boyce.

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Steve
Title: Re: 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 01:18:35 am
And here is a very nice developed circuit of Mr. Les Banki
Its based on the idea of Bob Boyce.

In this schematic you can adjust all 3 frequencys in sync or just close to sync.
That close to sync would be better...
People build this.

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Steve
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2008, 10:47:56 am
and another one...

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Steve
Title: Re: 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 05:32:33 am
And here is a very nice developed circuit of Mr. Les Banki
Its based on the idea of Bob Boyce.

In this schematic you can adjust all 3 frequencys in sync or just close to sync.
That close to sync would be better...
People build this.

br
Steve
Do anyone have a good scheme Banki20PWM.jpg, I want to try. This is not happening. The forum http://waterfuelforall.com/forum (http://waterfuelforall.com/forum) - this scheme is not.
Title: Re: 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 09:30:22 am
And here is a very nice developed circuit of Mr. Les Banki
Its based on the idea of Bob Boyce.

In this schematic you can adjust all 3 frequencys in sync or just close to sync.
That close to sync would be better...
People build this.

br
Steve

fenedev, you should write a pm or email to passion1. He is a member of ionizationx  and he has contacts with mr les bankie.

br
steve
Do anyone have a good scheme Banki20PWM.jpg, I want to try. This is not happening. The forum http://waterfuelforall.com/forum (http://waterfuelforall.com/forum) - this scheme is not.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 20:15:23 pm
its kinda weird how david sereda on the talk show speaks about harmonic codes/ multiple harmonic waves. kinda revelant for this setup huh??
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 20:55:14 pm
It is , I wonder if theres a dual primary on the VIC .

I wonder is the particle oscillation follows some sort of resonant frequency .
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 18, 2009, 21:25:59 pm
dude i have wondered the same thing.. since it says it on 6-1 image right? if so i was imaging it wound look like this.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 01:12:17 am
bidirectional means that you can wind it from right to left then left to right and back and forth or even vice versa.....the windings don't have to be in the same continuous direction like the bifilar and secondary do.....that is one of the purposes for the seperate sections......and anyways the primary is only one wire.....so how the hell could you do what you drew.....the primary isn't 2 wires it's one.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 01:21:51 am
bidirectional means that you can wind it from right to left then left to right and back and forth or even vice versa.....the windings don't have to be in the same continuous direction like the bifilar and secondary do.....that is one of the purposes for the seperate sections......and anyways the primary is only one wire.....so how the hell could you do what you drew.....the primary isn't 2 wires it's one.

haha dont speak to soon .
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 01:58:49 am
then prove me wrong.

look up the term bidirectional winding.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 02:48:52 am
its hard to prove it with such little winding details.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 03:36:10 am
Good idea stc , who knows ...

Ponder on bro , we need you insight .
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 03:42:42 am
that is a very good point....but don't rely on the pictures. The text is the focus.....no where in the text does it say there are two wires for hte primary.......by the word "DUAL" it can imply the chokes and primary wound upon the same bobbin.....where dual resonant coils can mean both (plural) COILS are wound upon the same bobbin....it woud have read dual primaries......but it does not.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 04:32:21 am
the detail in the 2 circles is enough to know that hes not relating the chokes and primary as dual..
for the chokes it says dual resonant charging coils (56/62)
for primary it says dual primary coil (26)

notice the s on the end of coils for the charging choke and the relation he gives the postive and neg stainless shokes, reference numbers. (56/62)

he says dual primary coil (singular subject) as in its not coils as a pos and a neg but a dual primary.

dankie think on this with me.. focus on the drawing i made earlier of my insight.  focus on how i labeled the wire raps as polarities red/black..it shows how they cross and switch to the second level in the middle.. now think of what it would do if you pulsed it with the same pulse but it was pushing negative from both sides as well as positve. so it would have primarys current and freq hitting from both sides  opposing right? in some type of impeadance manner? now focus on how the winds allow one half to have the negative side of induction to be dominant to inner core and one have to be dominate with positive.  vise versa on outter wind closet to secondary..  what would current of 12v  3.3amp 15khz do in that situation.. are thes the right question for this situation.

outlawstc
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 04:47:58 am
another question to ask is how would a colapsing secondary react to it as well
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 04:55:38 am
Outlaw,

I talked to dynodon about the connections on the coil of Meyers they saw.  He said it had the 4 contacts coming out of both sides like the side we can see in the photo.  8 contacts total he said he was sure.  Thats 4 ea for the chokes, 2 for the primary, and 2 for the secondary.  I think thats how it should work.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 05:08:03 am
BUT ON PAGE 8-7 OF THE TECH BRIEF

VIC Voltage Sync-Pulse Circuit
Voltage Sync-Pulse Gated Frequency (583 / 602a xxx 583 / 602n) (603/604a xxx 603/604n)
of Figure (8-1) as to (605/606a xxx 605/606n) (607/608a xxx 6071608n) (609 / 611a xxx 609 /
611n) of Figure (8-2) ... all, forming Voltage Pulse Burst Wave (619) as to Unipolar Pulse-Train
(780A), Crossover Unipolar Pulse-Train (780B), and Clipped Unipolar Pulse Train (780C) as to
Traveling Voltage Wave-Action (770) of Figure (8-1) of opposite voltage polarity
RE: Voltage Wave-Guide Memo WFC 427
Stanley A. Meyer 8-7
(+/-) of equal Voltage-Pulse Amplitudes (+Vpp/- Vpp) are zero reference to electrical ground state
(OV) by placing Amp Inhibitor Circuit (860) (Amp Inhibiting Coil 617, Blocking Diode 618, and
Magnetic Induction Core 619) between electrical ground (OV) and Center Tap of Dual Bifilar
Secondary Pickup Coils   (616A/B) of VIC Matrix Circuit (690) of Figure (7-8) as to VIC Impedance
Network Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) , as illustrated in (840) of Figure (8-10). By doing so, Balance
Phasing of opposite voltage intensity (+Vpp / - Vpp) is accomplished without experiencing current
influxing caused by differential variances where Negative Voltage Peak Potential (-Vpp) is less than
Positive Voltage Peak Potential (+Vpp) or Vise Versa ... allowing Inductor Resonant Choke Coils
Electromagnetic Fields Intensity (+Z2 / -Z3) to be, in turn, free of Electromagnetic variances of
intensity (Z2 - Z3). This non-voltage shift (Balance Phasing of opposite Voltage Potential) helps
prevents atom displacement during "Snapping-Action" by which "Resonant Electrical Stress" of
opposite electrical polarity (RU/RU' - ST/ST') is applied equally across Water Molecule (s) (85) to
propagate either Static (585) or Dynamic (612) Electrical Charging Effect (s) at elevated Voltage
Peak Potential (s). Amp Inhibiting Coil-Assembly (617) is made up of magnetic inductance
Stainless Steel 430FIFR wire material wrapped around a closed-loop Induction Magnetic Core (619)
which is a separate coil-unit (860) apart from VIC Coil Assembly (580) of Figure (6-1). Blocking
Diode (618) functions as an "Electrical Isolator" that prevents electrical discharge of Dual
Secondary Coil (616A / B) during applied Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n).
To ensure and maintain Capacitance Charging Effect (650) of Figure (7-4) across
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 05:21:08 am
very true john
 but to not see the internal of the 3 d object cant give you all the answers. .. just throwing out posibilities... theres one thing i would say is kinda over looked.. the secondarys are already external..  they are gonna be sodered to choke tab anyways right? if it was a full bobbin there wouldnt be a spot for the last winds tab since its already external. so maybe it is 4 primary and 4 chokes.  was the one dynodon seen wound?


cheers
outlawstc
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 05:40:54 am
komtek has a coil built and on a circuit.  He says we have to have another signal that hits at 90 degrees.  He thinks its a RF or micro freq that has to be added.  Bob Boyce said his hydroxy production went extremely high when a diode in his alternator failed and ran one leg of AC with his circuit.  We may have to add another primary for a seperate signal to get performance.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 06:17:02 am
this is how i see 6-1 in sync pulse configuration. not saying its right, just throwing paint on the canvas.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 06:18:41 am
i think having the primary magnetic field permeate into the secondary nad the resonant ss chokes is all we need.....one primary....stan never mentions 2 primaries in his solid state setup using dc pulses......remember there are 2 different attack methods rotary and solid state...
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 07:32:57 am
but what are the impeadance effects if it were like this.???.  those duals primarys would be 180 out from each other wound like that right?  them being 180 out from each others current path on the induction core crossing in the middle stepping up to next level of wind.. notice how it would give you a positive inner wind and a neg outter.. maybe this puts off a different type of induction field with the core.?? what determines polarity within a single wound wire? direction of current flow right?
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 08:23:10 am
The full size pictures and files for Banki's 3 freq generator can be found in this thread:

http://waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=6.0 (http://waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=6.0)

Note that you have to be a registered member of the forum in order to see and download any of the attachments.

hope this helps

Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 10:06:41 am
lol good you pointed out the word "dual" in 6-1
Quote
Dual Choke Coils (56/62 _ SS56/62)
makes one think the bifilar in 6-1 is the dual layered copper-ss from fig. 10-4

For 1 wfc there are two separate vic's, one for positive one for negative, but both on a single core.
Interconnected through the 0V referenced coil and all in the same (or maybe opposite) magnetic direction.

you're very alert, stc.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 17:02:34 pm
the way i show the vic in this pic i would think it would performs like 2 vics...  i dont know if im going crazy by the way i see the copper chokes job in the vic.. or what.. i feel like alot are still focusing on this transformer like any other current/ amp transformer. i feel like the copper chokes which are  the secondary on 6-1( works as both).since wound on same core.. mix your electric knowlege with plumping.. and one direction current flow.. which is the displacement of electrons in one direction caused by the back flow preventing diodes.. there is no current in this system.. only isolated potential displacement.. the gold i see in this idea is that if your power for displacement EMF is going to the copper chokes/ secondarysand its isolated.. it will work as stan says.. for capacitance and induction.. not for load.... by coupling the ss chokes and primary.. they all share inductance...  but what if we gave the copper a job with high resistance load so the displacement in the chokes don't keep equalizing at a fast rate causing current in copper by electrons having a easy path back to the positive side.. air processing will allow the copper chokes to build up in voltage since the resistance across the air gap is tremendous compared to water..
i would say the gap of the air ionizer could play a role in the max potential of the vic.. since i would say the air is getting 40,000 volts and not the water. notice there is less winds of stainless then copper.. would that be a step down? the center tap i show is the 90 degrees out i would say.. it goes to the neg stanless choke... now if we were to hit the core from both side bidirectionaly. would that not create a electron displacement force to center of bobbin where the negative electron potential is being forced into the center tap of seconadarys to goto neg ss choke?  lets call it hydrolectric its not relying on the current yields but the pressure/ potential yields. creativity at its finest right here fellas. i think my pic still needs some tweeks and i will post it soon.

outlawstc
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 17:33:19 pm
Quote
only isolated potential displacement
yes! agree, but power is needed for this, or can this happen without using much energy?

the middle bobbin does contain the 2 bifilar wound chokes AND the amp inhibitor coil?
Or does the black choke behave as the 0V ref. amp inhitor?
What is gate and why are the 2 primaries connected as such to the inputs?

I think I don't understand your vic fully yet.

Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 18:43:56 pm
the lawton works with the gate and frequency on the same side going into the vic using one transistor.... couldnt you supply a constant freq source of 0-20khz with one transistor on the input side then have you gate/switch transistor/ gate on and off on the neg side?? wouldnt that isolate the vic during pulse off time from ground(neg)? the current on  time will be contradicting it self in a form of impeadance in a since??. it would be as if its compounding electrons toward the 90 degree center tap of secondary. output. to ss neg. since the current and freq effect the displacment in secondarys.. by doing so  the ss take on a potential difference in a step up pumping action with diodes working as back flow preventors..  and what i mean by potential difference is that the negative is being forced with more electrons then normal.  and the positive is having a 1 to 1 ratio jump in holes (positve charge) during displacement.. that will allow potential to build in a step up manner.. and when it comes to discharge its not in to much of a hurry since the charges would most likely want to stay in the choke since there bifilair wound next to each other they would be highly attracted to each other at a balanced ratio.. and there is no difference to cause the current across water for balance. i would say a true -400 and +400  potential the negatives extra electrons would be the exact amount needed to make the positve back to neutral. so if you have -500 and +400 your system probly isnt isolated and is getting extra electrons from some where throwing it off balance.. that would cause your bifilar to create current flowing  50 volts worth of neg potential(electrons) through the water to the positive side to make -450 and +450.. well if theres a imballance like this from stray electrons finding there way in system it  will create imbalance and force  current non stop so it will fail. not sayn this is right just a perspective.

now think on this people.. in stans data he says the ss choke are coated with a 3 kv rated insulator.. i bet you dont have more then 3 kv going to the injector.. remember less winds then secondary typicaly 11.6 k resistance. a step down. the secondarys insulation is not as much a concern for its insulated properties.. its displacement is being isolated in a step up manner by the delrin. it doesnt have a high difference sitting right next to it like bifilar ss chokes.... when you read dual secondarys that means its like bifilar but the displacement is going in same direction.  and is said to allow an accelerated magnetic induction to the core compared to a single wound. all perspective/ insight


outlawstc
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 20:01:02 pm
the lawton works with the gate and frequency on the same side going into the vic using one transistor.... couldnt you supply a constant freq source of 0-20khz with one transistor on the input side then have you gate/switch transistor/ gate on and off on the neg side?? wouldnt that isolate the vic during pulse off time from ground(neg)? the current on  time will be contradicting it self in a form of impeadance in a since??. it would be as if its compounding electrons toward the 90 degree center tap of secondary. output. to ss neg. since the current and freq effect the displacment in secondarys.. by doing so  the ss take on a potential difference in a step up pumping action with diodes working as back flow preventors..  and what i mean by potential difference is that the negative is being forced with more electrons then normal.  and the positive is having a 1 to 1 ratio jump in holes (positve charge) during displacement.. that will allow potential to build in a step up manner.. and when it comes to discharge its not in to much of a hurry since the charges would most likely want to stay in the choke since there bifilair wound next to each other they would be highly attracted to each other at a balanced ratio.. and there is no difference to cause the current across water for balance. i would say a true -400 and +400  potential the negatives extra electrons would be the exact amount needed to make the positve back to neutral. so if you have -500 and +400 your system probly isnt isolated and is getting extra electrons from some where throwing it off balance.. that would cause your bifilar to create current flowing  50 volts worth of neg potential(electrons) through the water to the positive side to make -450 and +450.. well if theres a imballance like this from stray electrons finding there way in system it  will create imbalance and force  current non stop so it will fail. not sayn this is right just a perspective.

now think on this people.. in stans data he says the ss choke are coated with a 3 kv rated insulator.. i bet you dont have more then 3 kv going to the injector.. remember less winds then secondary typicaly 11.6 k resistance. a step down. the secondarys insulation is not as much a concern for its insulated properties.. its displacement is being isolated in a step up manner by the delrin. it doesnt have a high difference sitting right next to it like bifilar ss chokes.... when you read dual secondarys that means its like bifilar but the displacement is going in same direction.  and is said to allow an accelerated magnetic induction to the core compared to a single wound. all perspective/ insight


outlawstc

the voltage between each widing is much smaller than 3kv
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 20:08:41 pm
there are not bifillar wound copper chokes in 6-1 just the stainless i see it like this  "dual resonant coils (56/62)" is one statement .. dual being ss 56/62

then another more detail statement. bifilar spiral wrap coils still reffering to ss 56/62 again
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 20:10:22 pm
didnt stan say he could turn 5 gallons of water into fuel gas in one hour with 650 volts?
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 20:43:43 pm
im not sure about 650 volts.....but i do know that you can do it when you increase the number of "hits" on the water molecule.....or in simple terms increasing the frequency to the next resonant point.......he clealry says that in a european patent.....this is when he mentions 5 gallon in 1 hour.
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2009, 21:04:52 pm
good observation.. kinesisfilms.
i think i read that a emf transformer produces higher current with higher frequency input.  but  with this transformer since its made to have one way current flow and is isolated, the higher the freq the stronger the displacement of charges?


outlawstc
Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 26, 2011, 03:58:55 am
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Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 26, 2011, 12:15:14 pm

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Title: Re: Frequency generator with 3 squarewaves / 3 primairy coils / 1 secondairy coil
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