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Title: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2008, 16:56:45 pm
http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

IT STARTS ON PAGE 11

yOU HAVE TO HAVE ADOBE ACROBAT READER TO VIEW AS IT'S IN PDF FORMAT!!!

  ENJOY!!!
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2009, 21:21:24 pm
I thought there was some newer circuit Bob was using.
Maybe it as a ATmega based controller he got last year.
 
There was only a handfull of those Atmega controllers out.
No posts about them?
 
Nothing new by Bob posted since that triple 556 type stuff?
 
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 04:43:27 am
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Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 05:27:39 am
An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 07:36:29 am
An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

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Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 08:14:54 am
An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.
Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 10:07:21 am
An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.
Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

Master Steve used 2 VIC's with blocking diodes and resonating chokes in where he got LC resonance and he busted water with 40Kv and 1mA, producing a massive 100ltres per second. ;)

But i just forgot how to replicate it.. :D


Steve

Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 10:45:06 am
Master Steve is a true genius! i know...sad that you forgot the circuit.... give you self some relaxing holydays and it may come back to you!  ;) 
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 12:12:00 pm
An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.
Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

Master Steve used 2 VIC's with blocking diodes and resonating chokes in where he got LC resonance and he busted water with 40Kv and 1mA, producing a massive 100ltres per second. ;)

But i just forgot how to replicate it.. :D


Steve
that's a sad thing.  ???
as always, it seems many people do have some good results but no other can replicate it because there are no good documents. and if there are good documents (like ravi) it does not work.

i'm intrigued by warps post but i never read something about 3500rpm, an alternator or that FQA30N40. It's probably because i did not read every post of every account he is using word for word, but if you could make like a document where you collect your knowledge, in a way that the others from this forum can understand and then replicate (i'm sure there would be enough people to try it), we could all get this working together. communication is really the problem, everyone is doing his own stuff, there is so much false information, and everyone would have to figure it out for himself, not to say most of the people at the waterfuelcell.org forum for example don't have any clue about electronics and mess things up more.

when the first step (getting more HHO energy than you put in via electricity) it's not important if you cannot run YOUR car on this immediately. there are plenty of options afterwards. (even stan ran only a lightweight dunebuggy with it)
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 16:04:53 pm
An alternator produces a sine wave .

A sine wave is much smoother than pulsed dc , on the scope I can see that this rhytmic motion will do better than pulsed dc . It just makes sense that it would .

You are correct Dankie.  By definition an "alternator" is an electric generator  that produces alternating current... ie. a sine wave.    But an "alternator based system"  can produce other wave forms as a result of adding other components. 

"Resonance" is always in the form of a sine wave. So it could make  sense in certain applications to use a sine wave input .  Make a simple series LC resonant circuit and hit it with a sine wave at the resonant frequency and with a with a square wave at the resonant frequency. The sine wave will give greater gains given the same power input.   But .... square waves are easier to generate over a wide frequency range.   

 
I have a 300W pure sine wave inverter and with the right plate spacing the gas output is extreme.

Have read that inverters can today have a efficiency up to 95% comparing the input and output.. but the energy in the HHO gas produced is at the moment unknown for me... Didn't Master Steve use a inverter for that motorbike idling?...Hmmm   ::)

So,   are saying that applying a 120V AC   @ 2.5amps to a set of plates makes an extreme amount  of gas?   Are you sure that isn't steam?   ;D   Maybe you rectified it to DC first?

Please tell more.

Master Steve used 2 VIC's with blocking diodes and resonating chokes in where he got LC resonance and he busted water with 40Kv and 1mA, producing a massive 100ltres per second. ;)

But i just forgot how to replicate it.. :D

Steve

Steve, when you remember.... I have a check for you for $50,000US for further development.

That's a sad thing.  ???
as always, it seems many people do have some good results but no other can replicate it because there are no good documents. and if there are good documents (like ravi) it does not work.

You said a lot there Haithar.

You  have to consider that SOME of those claiming to have good results may just be blowing smoke or seeking their 20 minutes of fame on Youtube.  (documents or not).  Some may not be.  But many times it's hard to tell which.   

Also consider that,  many experimenters have no formal education or training  in how to do systematic and methodical  testing, note taking, etc.  It's same with technical writing skills (documentation).  Some have difficulty explaining  what they've done in terms that others can understand.   

Then there are the "mean people" . These kind might have some knowledge,  but alienate others due to their pissy & arrogant attitudes.  These can't have an intelligent exchange of ideas with out ad hominem attack.  eg.  "If you  cant see what I'm saying (and agree with it) then,  you are an sub-moronic fool  and  have nothing to offer anyone ! " 

Yeah Steve.  Mean people do suck. 


i'm intrigued by warps post but i never read something about 3500rpm, an alternator or that FQA30N40. It's probably because i did not read every post of every account he is using word for word, but if you could make like a document where you collect your knowledge, in a way that the others from this forum can understand and then replicate (i'm sure there would be enough people to try it), we could all get this working together. communication is really the problem, everyone is doing his own stuff, there is so much false information, and everyone would have to figure it out for himself, not to say most of the people at the waterfuelcell.org forum for example don't have any clue about electronics and mess things up more.

3500 is the rpm/frequency that worked for Warp in his particular setup. The FQA30N40 is just a 400V 30 Amp  QFET from Fairchild Semiconductor . Nothing particularly magical about either one of them.  However,  If  someone wants to replicate what Warp did,  then they  will need to use exactly what he used.   If the RPM was 3500  then use 3500.  If the FET was a FQA30N40 then use that one.  If a tube was exactly 4.0 inches long by 1/2" diameter then don't use one that is 3.9 inches long by 5/8" diameter and expect it to work the same.

 
when the first step (getting more HHO energy than you put in via electricity) it's not important if you cannot run YOUR car on this immediately. there are plenty of options afterwards. (even stan ran only a lightweight dunebuggy with it)

I sometimes wonder why there is so much focus on running a car with  HHO gas.  There are other more easily engineered applications.

Goey
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 17:43:56 pm
Goey
 
Steam.... :D It was not steam...lol.. and yes, it was AC, but i had to have a adjust the plate gap ( bigger gap than with DC ) so the overload protection in the inverter didn't start to beep and shut itself down. AC can indeed make HHO.
 
I am thinking of getting me a 1000W inverter... really blow the water out of the bucket ;D
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 17:53:45 pm
I have an idea on Master Steve's setup:
 
A 1:1 transformer, aka chokes, aka vic.
 
2 capacitors, one on each side of the transformer.
 
Isolated power supply for each half of the transformer and capacitor.
 
Use a stepup transformer to drive each half of the circuit.
 
Once in resonance, on each half, and 180 deg. out of phase from one another the current draw becomes low.
 
Add a diode for positive on one and negative from the other and connect to the water fuel cell.
 
The current will be low because of the isolated power supplies driving the circuit.
 
The water fuel cell will see the distributed capactance of the 1:1 transformer and allow that current to flow - which is very small in the overall schematic, yet be stressed by the high voltage potential of the steup up transformer.
 
Anyone with electronic experience can follow that and fill in the blanks, even point out some flaws I may have overlooked in this setup.
 
 
Anyhow that is my next project - still gathering equipment for this.
 
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 17:53:52 pm
I sometimes wonder why there is so much focus on running a car with  HHO gas.  There are other more easily engineered applications.

Goey
exactly my thoughts! My goal would be a stationary generator which creates electricity from water. With the smart grid coming and electric cars being able to drive several hundred miles per charge with a motor efficiency of >90% it's the best solution to me. also size and weight of your hho generator don't matter when you put it in a shack at your home.

Goey
 
Steam.... :D It was not steam...lol.. and yes, it was AC, but i had to have a adjust the plate gap ( bigger gap than with DC ) so the overload protection in the inverter didn't start to beep and shut itself down. AC can indeed make HHO.
 
I am thinking of getting me a 1000W inverter... really blow the water out of the bucket ;D
in which way does this help? you are probably creating hydrogen with a really bad efficiency then, but what do you gonna need it for? if you are going to use more electricity than gas use an electric car.
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 18:24:08 pm
Goey
 
Steam.... :D It was not steam...lol.. and yes, it was AC, but i had to have a adjust the plate gap ( bigger gap than with DC ) so the overload protection in the inverter didn't start to beep and shut itself down. AC can indeed make HHO.
 
I am thinking of getting me a 1000W inverter... really blow the water out of the bucket ;D

Now .....tell me that the water did not get hot ......?   

Did you take and record temperature measurements, current readings and voltage readings across the plates?   

So ... why does my  Vicks Vaporizer make steam instead of gas?  All it is is 2 round carbon looking electrodes separated by a an inch or so with  120 Vac applied.   Current can be up to 6 amps or more depending upon the mineral content of the water.  Just boils the water. 

Is there something you are not telling us?   

Andrija Puharich used AC to make gas.  But he used Amplitude Modulation,  a special ceramic coating on the center electrode and a glass insulator between the electrodes.

Goey
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 18:25:31 pm
Quote

Steve, when you remember.... I have a check for you for $50,000US for further development.


I am just starting to remember........ ;)
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 18:30:17 pm
I have an idea on Master Steve's setup:
 
A 1:1 transformer, aka chokes, aka vic.
 
2 capacitors, one on each side of the transformer.
 
Isolated power supply for each half of the transformer and capacitor.
 
Use a stepup transformer to drive each half of the circuit.
 
Once in resonance, on each half, and 180 deg. out of phase from one another the current draw becomes low.
 
Add a diode for positive on one and negative from the other and connect to the water fuel cell.
 
The current will be low because of the isolated power supplies driving the circuit.
 
The water fuel cell will see the distributed capactance of the 1:1 transformer and allow that current to flow - which is very small in the overall schematic, yet be stressed by the high voltage potential of the steup up transformer.
 
Anyone with electronic experience can follow that and fill in the blanks, even point out some flaws I may have overlooked in this setup.
 
 
Anyhow that is my next project - still gathering equipment for this.

Sounds good Warj. :)

Attached schematic is also providing a 180 out of phase volts vs amps..

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/5440/supply.html

Steve

Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 18:32:39 pm

Anyone with electronic experience can follow that and fill in the blanks, even point out some flaws I may have overlooked in this setup.


I have 30 years electronics experience and I cant follow it too easily. 

Are the caps in series or parallel to the coils ? 

How about a sketch of the schematic ?   A picture is worth more than a thousand words.

Goey
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 19:06:28 pm
Steve, 

Do you have any values for the  choke, capacitors, and resistor ?

What is the frequency at the transformer input ?   60 Hz ? 
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 21:07:09 pm
Well I am also coming to the concluclusion that ac is just easier to use for testing out the Meyers theories .

Stephen Meyers seems to be using some advanced alternator setup with dc offset and some sort of impedance ringing phenomenon . Some sort or crowbar effect ?  This is obviously very technical electrical stuff with all the current phasing going on here .

I am STILL trying to figure it all out , his circuit/patent is a bit hard to grasp.but I think I'm getting there  .

I can adjust my amplitude/frequency independently , The main frequency can be powered by a VCO so w/e curve balls come my way I'm ready . Multiple 3 phase signals can be synchronized . Now try doing that with an alternator ...
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 21:25:14 pm
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Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 22:02:13 pm
I saw that too!
 
Be carefull not to blow it out of proportion.
 
Warp is an administrator I guess that gives him the ability to modify any post?
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 22:26:41 pm
Steve, 

Do you have any values for the  choke, capacitors, and resistor ?

What is the frequency at the transformer input ?   60 Hz ?

Hi Goeytex,

Try to make the circuit in this simulator:

http://www.ionizationx.com/circuit/index.html

I did. That way you can find out what best components and frequencys are.

Steve
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 22:33:07 pm
I saw that too!
 
Be carefull not to blow it out of proportion.
 
Warp is an administrator I guess that gives him the ability to modify any post?

Yes, Warp is also an admin. As founder of this forum, he and me (owner) are admins.
I removed 2 posts with no other content then fighting.

Steve
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 22:48:30 pm
Goey, here is the best I can do for a simple schematic.
 
Everyone, or anyone can we add some values and see what spice can do with this?
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2009, 23:41:37 pm
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Tell Me 3 FACTS about the Diode Stan Used.

@Warp

does it have to do with stan used more then one to complete the vic circuit?..
he used whats called a scr (silicon CONTROLED rectifier) and also a regular blocking diode after the scr.. stan used this fast switching scr diode to gate a frequency to the amp inhibiting side of the circuit. he used a octocoupler to couple the low voltage logic with the scr for gating..   

Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 29, 2009, 05:18:38 am
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Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 29, 2009, 05:27:06 am
If anyone is looking for the 6" toroid Bob uses (Micrometals T650-52), I have a couple for sale. $60 shipped for each; within the USA. I accept Paypal, check or money order. PM me if interested.

Thanks
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2009, 03:42:50 am
Hello guys i resolved the resonance mystery.
I Posted it all here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html read it all
what do you think about?
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2009, 10:36:08 am
Hello guys i resolved the resonance mystery.
I Posted it all here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html read it all
what do you think about?

Hi Sebosfato

Welcome to ionizationx!

Please go ahead and explain! We are very curious here and love to read others ideas.
Can you prove your theory by showing us something working by video or pics?

Steve
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2009, 12:28:31 pm
Thank you steve. Yes i can prove it. As i already have it working here. However i want to push it further as to have the high voltages meyer told us about and "restrict the current" hahaha. Have you download the calculation? I want to create a thread here. don't know where to put it... 
Title: Re: BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2009, 18:20:07 pm
Thank you steve. Yes i can prove it. As i already have it working here. However i want to push it further as to have the high voltages meyer told us about and "restrict the current" hahaha. Have you download the calculation? I want to create a thread here. don't know where to put it...

OK So  prove it ...