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Title: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2016, 13:42:27 pm
Hello I created a simple design to build cells with few and cheap materials that are showing some good performance up to now.

The only way to improve would maybe to build with teflon

Basically the rod has a bolt on both sides where the centralizing parts go and also the electrical connection for the cell and also hold the all assembly.

Meyer said to keep it simple stupid so in design the cheaper is going to win.

In this design the only concern is the heat generated that hcould make the acrylic to get soft and ultimately melt...

But is a first shot!

I made a tank to work together with the cell and have the secondary function of being a bubbler therefore impeding the cell to explode while testing with the gas.., later it will also become my gas mixing regulator

I'm trying to make things as small as possible because today this is what is economically viable!

Also is easier to get an overall view of the

The photos are from the design proces... that is constantly being changed...
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2016, 15:02:49 pm
Hey this is the pic of whole thing but missing the piece that makes it work as a flux capacitor allowing the space time travels :)

I'm going to increase the high of the tank as I felt it would be better for as the water level at the cell changes a lot with gas production.... the pressure makes the bubbles come from below into the tank at fresh start, I could get up to 4 amps into it... to see how much heat is getting to. The heat made the orings to leak a little but I pressurized more and it controlled it.

I think we could use a unidirectional water flow valve to avoid the emptying of the cell or even a pump would maybe be useful..
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2016, 15:51:41 pm
He Fabio, were does the gas get out?
I couldnot find 1 hole in yr endcaps...
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 05, 2016, 18:18:26 pm
He Fabio, were does the gas get out?
I couldnot find 1 hole in yr endcaps...
 :) ;)

Dear Steve, in the last pic you see that piece of antenna at the top of the cell connected to the silicon tube is the gas output but it's tied back to the tank to bubble!
I'm going to make a video to show that better...
One thing I found really interesting is that the hydrogen passing thru the antenna created a zero volt reference point and is possible to measure the electrodes potential in reference to it!!!!!! 
One electrode is positive and the othe negative relative to it and surprisingly there is a diferent reading... supposedly the metal should be platinum for it to be theoretically zero volt reference...
This happens because hydrogen provides a determined potential at an electrode it pass into thru...
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 06, 2016, 06:16:19 am

Ok here it goes

I need to increase the water tank high a little further to get enough pressure diference between the water input of the cell and the gas output that come back to the water tank...basically it must have a better flow for the gas as possible
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 07, 2016, 12:00:20 pm
THE pressure developed at the cell by the rate of gas production must be in equilibrium in order to avoid the CELL from being empty... therefore the gas output must be improooved in my design and it must be connected to a point back in the tank where there is a small enough pressure so that it won't push the water back to the tank...
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 07, 2016, 16:36:32 pm
It looks like it produces a nice amount of gas.
Did you do already some measurements?
power vs gasout?
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 07, 2016, 17:19:16 pm
I'm throwing up a lot of power into it I believe that after a while it mostly generates vapor making me think of many things... is around 80watts going in to make that...  but is not much good result yet I guess

THE idea now it to destabilize the covalent bound with a pulse that is going to atenuante the electric force that holds the water molecule together and thereto by superimposing a momentarily depolarizing pulse right after step charge... the charging of this pulse will cause a step charging effect also for obvious reasons...

Step charge I mean because in my system there is going to be two distinct frequencies one multiple of the other one is the resonant frequency of one system and the other is the gate of the other system

There's two capacitances in my little device, do you have recognized it?well one I didn't show haha is the secret only the pure heart people or smarter can See

THE two connections at the rods allow me to have a high current flow generating a magnetic field that can transform the water into a pump that will help hold the pressure of the gas being generated
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 08, 2016, 01:02:26 am
Hopefully I'm full of ideas.

The attenuation is the key in achieving oscillating molecules

As I tried to explain recently the water is supposed to align within the cell for a voltage applied but  is a result of the dielectric property of trying to reduce the field by attenuation...

When we get a two charged plates there is a force between them

Electricaly speaking inside or outside this capacitor formed is possible to manipulate charges in order to make the field in between them be zero

In space fields sum or subtract

Stan was talking about the dielectric field the polarization field

When we get two capacitors and connect one to the other they can discharge if connect with reverse polarity or remain charged if the polarity were the same

Electrons are much faster tha moleucules

How do you make a basketball keep bouncing?
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2016, 00:42:13 am
Ping pong cell

First sand scratched the acrylic with 600# sandpaper than applied graphite before geting the copper foil upon the cell...

This is the secret flux capacitor that manipulates the time and allow the covalent bonding to not exist in our dimension for a brief moment allowing space time higher density hyperspace energy or also know as universal energy to get into our dimension!!!

I'd like to discuss about the said step charging efffect for its totally related to what I'm trying to do.

When mixing frequencies and Meyer mixes two frequency and have many sources thru the circuits that have even diferent harmonics available to use is possible to accomplish two things he one is the step charging effect that is nothing else than two circuits with mixed signals... one is rectified D.C. And the other pulsed D.C. The chokes allow the pulsed D.C. To work at the cell without disturbing the D.C. Input as per its name it chokes off the short circuit that the cell may become when the covalent bound breaks apart impeding the D.C. To give up infinite current power to the cell... when it he short period is over it will dump the energy absorbed with the correct polarity to maintain the alignment.

THE pendulum can be good to compare imagine the water is a pendulum like it sits on the center still now
You take the pendulum to a certain high and its suddenly dropped you can't get it back only when it returns to raise it further... this drop is the covalent breaking event.
Title: Hydrostatic pressure Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2016, 00:18:14 am
Hydrostatic pressure is equal to the density of the liquid times the height of the point you want to know times the gravitational pushing force

P=d*h*g

It's just like potential energy equation .. the volume of water does not Matter only the height

Knowing the hydrostatic pressure is possible to determine the proper gas output design

THE important is that the gas output does not form too much pressure

Knowing the tube diameter you know how much gas can flow due to a pressure diference across it

THE greater is the hydrostatic pressure the greater will be the buoyancy force that makes the bubble get off from the electrode
Title: Goal
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2016, 02:25:00 am
Well I was trying to determine wether the design of my cell was functional from the point of view of gas production rate and how it impact the water level at the cell

I will determine my goal to achieve with this CELL to be 100ml of gas per second 100ml/s so 10 cells like this would give 1 liter per second that I believe is just enough to run. Car on modestly on hydrogen...
I believe o should be able to do his with something between 100ans 200watts would be my goal

So with this flow rate of gas and the hight of the cell and tank high is possible to calculate for the pressure equilibrium and determine the size of diameter for gas and water input sides
Title: Going from numbers
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2016, 21:05:10 pm
In the tech brief Stan mention the chokes should have each 11,6k  I assumed he was talking about reactance of the coil at 5 kHz so I found the coils should have 369mh which is very reasonable

Now I though a good way to design the required voltage to saturate the core will be to calculate for the flux at the core of choice accounting for the number of turns used and crossection of the core frequency ..

Stan clearly stated on the tech brief that the resistance of the coils is necessary to avoid unwanted oscillating currents that would distort the signal basically filtering some frequency and amplifying others...

THE z of the circuit determine along with voltage applied the maximum current the circuit will be able to have
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2016, 21:14:04 pm
In terms of the core ...Bob Boyce spent a lot of time trial and error to find the right mix of core material..if  I were to search for a core I would go with the mix that Mr.Boyce determined was the best for his...never seen anyone try to get a core made to the specs of Stan's with the mix of Bob's.
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2016, 22:54:20 pm
I'm going to need to use the cores I already have for the testing for is what is economically viable for now

I don't believe we need any fancy core to acomplish the task because regular ferrite should do the job even audio transformer core also might work!

The objective of the core is to allow or help the transformer action increasing the power a certain amount of coils will be able to carry... than air would do...




Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 12, 2016, 01:30:59 am
I increased the tank height and now the cell creates a pump effect because the bubbles push water together on their way up so it creates a constant flow of water thru the cell

Just took some rain and made some 0ppm water and I will start from it to make my solutions for testing...

Let's get the molecular ringing
Title: Re: Single cell acrylic
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 12, 2016, 23:09:58 pm
http://www.calctool.org/CALC/eng/civil/hazen-williams_p

This calculates for water flow and pressure drop thru pipes

We can't get over 10 bars never or there's going to be explosive risk

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/hydrostatic-pressure-water-d_1632.html

The second link has the hydrostatic pressure table for water as function of height

Title: Limited current source
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 13, 2016, 06:09:55 am
My experience with generators tell me that the impedance of the coil will work as a voltage drop source and today I understood it is the same as the leakage inductance of a transformer

Basically the effect is that a greater current at the load reduces the voltage at the secondary

The lower is the coupling the greater will be the leakage inductance... also resistance of the coils limits theirs coupling

Graphs Can be plot with the voltage as function of load and find the leakage

Transformers are normally better coupled than generators so in generators I noticed this effect before
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance